Prelude to the Apocalypse

[Hoagtech]

You can't eat pants, Ninten!.

Tell me haven't been to the BLS for a stat without saying it.. They report on all major categories not just the cumulative CPI

The overall food category is at 3%. Also a 5 year low. You can’t sensationalize costs rising if they are not rising but are sky high to begin with. I won’t get into whataboutism too much but the last 4 years you can trace each commodity categories rise on our data exported chart on the BLS.

They have an active category graph you can trace any commodity you feel like (no smug condescending required)



The news (legacy) is banking on failure on this next round of tariffs, but don’t believe it’s even a majority of them. Where do you think the 29 billion in tariff revenue came from past month?

The truth is. We are fat cow consumers of the world with a consumer rate 3X above China with 6X less population. If countries want the crack juice poured on their trinket and doodad sales. We are the magic potion and the bottom line doesn’t dip on the red even with a 25% tariff.

[vol.2]

bottom line doesn’t dip on the red even with a 25% tariff.

That's exactly right. The tariffs don't enable protection for US companies even a little bit. Even if the tariffs were far, far higher than that, it would still be cheaper to make almost everything in China.

The only effect they have is to raise taxes on consumers. That will have two effects, increase inflation as the cost of everything goes up, and disproportionately impact people for whom those items make up a larger percentage of their total income (poorer people). This was a calculated tax imposed on lower income people to make up for the operating budget problems caused by the enormous reduction of the corporate tax burden.

Yay billionaires.

[BryanM]

The overall food category is at 3%. Also a 5 year low. You can’t sensationalize costs rising if they are not rising but are sky high to begin with.

Okay you win it's great that prices will go up 35% in the next ten years over a base quantity that is already highly elevated over the real price, but only if this best case scenario continues. And that the future sales tax will not increase the price of things despite that being how we thought taxes worked. Us old folks have lost the edge when it comes to looking up lanyard minutiae during internet arguments that nobody cares about.

Now explain why shooting a 13 month old dog in the head in a gravel pit is okay. And why putting someone who thinks that's cool in charge of the the Department of Homeland Security is a good decision. Please, I'd like comfort to know why the people in charge of humanity's future are righteous and trustworthy folks. If you can find some statistics and math on the BLS website (or some other .gov) to defend puppy murder, I would be highly interested in seeing that.

Srs.

[Hoagtech]

*double post glitch

[Hoagtech]

Okay you win it's great that prices will go up 35% in the next ten years

*I THINK " prices will go up 35% in the next ten years" . I think you hope so that anything you oppose around human rights isn't shunned by being tied to an economic turnaround. But you can hope and ignore all you want. Making deals with Apple, 8 car manufacturers, Silicon and tariff reduction on our exports will have an effect to it's cause, regardless of your feeling based rhetoric

Now explain why shooting a 13 month old dog in the head in a gravel pit is okay. And why putting someone who thinks that's cool in charge of the the Department of Homeland Security is a good decision. Please, I'd like comfort to know why the people in charge of humanity's future are righteous and trustworthy folks. If you can find some statistics and math on the BLS website (or some other .gov) to defend puppy murder, I would be highly interested in seeing that.

It killed chickens. That's what happens to County dogs on the farm. The landowner saved a $240 vet or humane society bill with the same outcome. Its called DIY

I do think her character was hilarious in South Park though. The new season slaps.

[orange808]

Even Forbes agrees that CPI has become a meaningless statistic. Nobody uses it to make business decisions. You used it because you wanted a graph and you had a predetermined argument to make.

[BryanM]

The raw milk E.Coli cases reminded me of one of the potentially good things coming up. There's been a report that the first drug developed using the AlphaFold tool is going into clinical testing soon, a protein that plugs the receptor on E.Coli that gobbles down hemoglobin, which it needs to eat to reproduce.

Demis had some hopes that all diseases could be tractable within ten years or so.

Even Forbes agrees that CPI has become a meaningless statistic. Nobody uses it to make business decisions. You used it because you wanted a graph and you had a predetermined argument to make.

Well yeah. Between the holocaust, the dog murderer who wants to put down racial minorities, and the guy who had a worm die in his brain who wants to give everyone cancer, it's kind of hard to find things that people are 'unfairly' mean to nazis about.

When you have all the power in the world, stomping everyone else into the ground, preparing for the one and true final solution of capitalism, it's hard to make yourself out to be a victim.

Before Covid, the five pound bag of flour at Wal-Mart went for a buckeroo. It's inflated at least 100%, yet is still one of the best life hacks to cheat your way out of paying most of the food rent.

3% on top of a price that's arbitrarily suddenly doubled is effectively a 6% increase over the base price in absolute terms. People on social security certainly didn't have their wages doubled, and then get a 3% pay raise this year.

[Sima Tuna]

And you better believe a shitload of more easily eaten foodstuffs (lots of people don't know wtf to do with a bag of flour) have increased by 2x or more.

Before covid, I used to buy a pound of peanuts for a dollar fitty. The same peanuts cost $3 now. 2.50 on a sale. Same store, same packaging. Now, you can get cheaper peanuts if you buy in bulk at a different shop. I'm just explaining the packaging and the shop I used to buy at. They were one price and then the price pretty well doubled during covid and didn't go back down.

A lot of food items were like that. Fast food has at least doubled in price. Typical takeout/low-income dine in places are a solid 30-50% more than they used to be. I barely eat out ever but the price is always higher than the last time I went to that place, when I do go. Seems like it goes up every month. Nobody out here is getting monthly cost of living increases.

I've ranted on here in the past about bread. Went to the shop today. Entire section of the store devoted to bread, right? All the bread is expensive. $3, $4 a loaf or more. Sometimes much more. Anyway, they had some cheap bread on sale. Guess what? Entire display of the cheap bread was picked clean. There was one loaf of the cheap bread left in that section.

The price wasn't even that good. It wasn't a pre-covid price. I used to get bread that was on sale for $.60 or a dollar a loaf. It wasn't THAT long ago. Pre-covid, I think I could find bread for a dollar fifty a loaf fairly reliably. Now? The cheap stuff is $2 or $2.50. Most bread in the stores is $3-7.

This was a problem under Biden too. I complained about it under Biden. It's a fundamental problem with how cost of living is spiraling out of control and far outpacing real wages. Just like with Biden, we always hear this BS about how the economy is doing so damn good. Then why is everybody I know broke as shit? Why is everyone struggling so hard right now? Profits for some CEO are up, but that doesn't translate at all to working class folks.

The issue with the tariffs is, far from solving any of this, they're acting as a further regressive tax on the working poor, who buy the most cheap and disposable shit (because that's what they can afford.)

[BulletMagnet]

I'm deeply skeptical there's even going to be more elections, srs.

Going by what's transpiring in Texas I'm inclined to guess that, if nobody is willing to intervene, elections will continue to be held but the right's thumb will be so heavily on the scale that it will be nearly impossible for them to lose, and thanks to the Totally Legit Supreme Court it's all perfectly legal. And the Dems continuing to steadfastly refuse to offer an actual alternative will only cement the status quo further.

Your complete and utter inability to see any ethical concerns in that story is depressing, but not at all surprising.

He absolutely sees the ethical concerns the same way he absolutely knows his economic argument is a joke and simply ignores what he can't respond to, he's just a whipped authoritarian lap dog like the rest. Presumably I don't need to propose to you how he or any of his fellow groyper glory holes would have reacted if either this behavior or this economy had occurred under The Other Team.

Meanwhile, Trump is giving Putin safe haven in the US to sign off on a deal to hand him Ukraine. Seems we've completed a trifecta of sorts: we've told the markets that our economic principles are worthless, we've told the armed forces that our promises to them are worthless, and now we're telling the rest of the world that our security guarantees are worthless too. Obviously this is what True Greatness looks like and there will be absolutely no long-reverberating repercussions to speak of.

EDIT: Oh, and in case the Epstein saga wasn't enough to make you momentarily question the notion that the right truly, deeply cares so, so much about protecting (white) girls from sexual abuse, the hits just keep on a-comin'. Pro Tip: Don't stop at the headline. It gets worse.

[vol.2]

Fast food has at least doubled in price.

I went to a Roys last week with my dad and got 3 piece chicken with a side of coleslaw and it was almost $18. My dad literally spent the entire evening bitching to me and my mom that my fast food with $17. And it hurt to think about so I just told him to quit it.

It's going to go up. I know it will. Who the hell can afford that? If you can spend $15 plus on a single meal, why are you going to eat at fast food? I can eat a meal for about $5/person at home to cook for myself and my partner. That's also up from about $4/person before COVID, but it's less of an increase than anything at any restaurant.

[orange808]

If you define inflation as the natural circle where rising costs create wage adjustments and all prices go up, it's not really "inflation" at all when labor costs stay the same. If you're in the monarchy or aristocracy, you can stand your ground, hold or reduce pay, watch the real value of money in the economy decrease, raise your own prices, and make more adjusted profit in the end.

[BryanM]

And the plan is to get on-going wage costs as close to $0 as possible in the future with machines. It's hard to imagine prices would decrease in kind, Sam Failman's 'Moore's Law For Everything' feels like an utter farce here in the real world.

Remember when Kamala talked about doing something about the price gouging on food? Lasted for about a week before she was muzzled, but it did happen. This is another one of those topics that show what a farce the rhetoric of libertarian ideology is; those with all the power in negotiations can set whatever price makes them the most profit, and we have to accept it.

[Sima Tuna]

Part of the whole hypocrisy with Kamala and food prices was she basically was admitting the economy wasn't all sunshine and roses... Right after she said that the economy was doing amazing and everything was sunshine and roses, and she wouldn't change a thing from what the Biden Administration was already doing... Including a bunch of shit her base didn't like, such as supporting Israel.

Dems shoot themselves in the foot like crazy. Like with the whole Biden senility thing. Just admit the dude is super old, he's worn out, his mind is starting to go. Say that you appreciate and cherish all his years of service, some kinda handjob bullshit like that. But then have him step down. Have him do it at the first signs something is wrong. Not when he's exposed to the world in a presidential debate format, where such a gaffe massively benefits his opponent.

But that's what I see as the fundamental arrogance of the Democrat party. They simply believe that they will win because they must win because those damn sheeple have no other choice. Well, some people will vote against a smug fucker like that even if the other guy is a pants-on-head insane person.

A normal person would say, "hey, let's run these candidates through the primaries and see who is popular." A democrat would say, "let's force a candidate on the populace and make them get behind it, by framing the issue as 'you have no other choices.'" They did that with Hillary by ratfucking Bernie and they did it with Kamala by Biden bowing out so late. "Here's your new president! Now get in line, peons!"

Yeah, real fucking shocking that plan didn't work.

There are so many easy ways for Dems to win elections that I wonder sometimes if they don't sit around trying to think up new ways to lose, deliberately. Universal health care, social security, medicaid, no foreign wars, higher wages for workers, taxing the rich etc are all wildly popular policies.

[BryanM]

There are so many easy ways for Dems to win elections that I wonder sometimes if they don't sit around trying to think up new ways to lose, deliberately.

There's really no doubt to it, this is literally what they do. When you see how the sausage is made it's easy to see that the most powerful people in the world are in fact not idiots. (Setting the whole farm on fire and salting the earth is only stupid if you care about still having a farm in the future. Which we've established with oil exhaustion and climate change, there isn't going to be.) Rich people love fascism.

The strategists know that holding hands with the Cheneys was deeply unpopular, they're not idiots. Because it was unpopular, that's why they had her do it.

2016 was the most ridiculous over-the-top example of jobbing. Standard operating procedure of every campaign: Scare the shit out of your base: 'This asshole is going to win if you don't vote. (And give us your money.)' What did they choose to do instead? 'Ah, she's got this in the bag you can just stay home sweetie.' Minimized turnout for Hillary, and maximized turnout of the opposition.

I'll remind everyone that Trump was projected to win the electoral college by a small margin for pretty the entire fucking year. Despite the media lying about it nonstop. Presenting things like the popular vote total instead. (They sure love using bullshit of all kinds to protect their interests, eh.)

It's the easiest job in the world since they've min/max'd this to a T. Always move to the right, always be more racist, never undo anything republicans do, fund holocausts and the gestapo, make sure to try to destroy anyone like Mamdani who dares suggest life could ever be even slightly better for a poor person, and that's the key to making sure nobody wants to vote for you despite living in a world where Gen-X and the Boomers make up a minority of the voting population now.

And now Biff Tannen is the god of humanity.

[orange808]

Don't forget that white women chose Trump every time. That doesn't get said enough. There's a real phenomenon where they play the lady card and blame the boys.

Facts matter. They showed up at the polls and chose Trump. Nobody forced them to vote Trump at the polls. Nobody gerrymandered away their votes. They obviously were allowed to cast ballots.

I have a more crude way of saying this, but: be quiet, bee. I've heard enough excuses from a large part of our problem.

Own it, bee. (You know what that last word is, karen.) If you want to play identity politics, girls, you have to stop voting for Trump. You did it three times in a row, bee. Three fucking times in a row. I know what you did.

[Hoagtech]

He absolutely sees the ethical concerns the same way he absolutely knows his economic argument is a joke and simply ignores what he can't respond to, he's just a whipped authoritarian lap dog like the rest. Presumably I don't need to propose to you how he or any of his fellow groyper glory holes would have reacted if either this behavior or this economy had occurred under The Other Team.

I do not at all. In fact I’m nose blind to the camping entitlement when I measure a candidates performance.

When I hire a roofer to patch my shop roof. Im not wondering if he pushes the cart back in the parking lot when he shops or steps on spiders instead of releasing them outdoors. The problem you bleeding farts have is you’re able to get spun on sensationalism on factors that have no bearing on the topic at hand, which I thought was affordability in the USA.

I don’t know what to tell you. Biden made it expensive and now you guys are bitching about it because your party is no longer office and the rose colored glasses hit the pavement.

And what are you supposed to reference for affordability other than the CPI? The median wage vs housing and expenses? Either way. You guys are emotional to the point of cringe about feelings and impulses you can’t quantify.

Learn to code

[BryanM]

Don't forget that white women chose Trump every time. That doesn't get said enough. There's a real phenomenon where they play the lady card and blame the boys.

It's still pretty close to 50/50, which is pretty incredible considering.... the whole environment they have to live in. Mormon girls having it beat into their heads that their entire purpose in life is to be some 70 year old guy's sixth wife and poop out his babies until you die is a thing of utter horror, imagine what you and your life would have been like if you had to grow up in their circumstances.

It's always depressing watching some guy on youtube and being pretty sure they're gung-ho GOP. Like AVGN and his buddy Mike. Or the Red Letter Media guys.

It's always the nazis who want to be 'apolitical' to avoid having to deal with the blowback being in a death cult inevitably entails. A normal person would be like, eh, yeah sure Superman, we probably shouldn't be carrying out a holocaust. Trans people need to use the toilet? They're human? Ok, whatever....

[vol.2]

I think that the general impasse here is that, when you have decided that "might makes right," then you have entered into a social contract in which a thug should be running the show. That's kind of how that works. Law enforcement and the military just become an extension of the head thug.

But make no mistake Hoag, this will lead to the same situation that we see elsewhere in the world with similar strongmen governments. If things don't turn around, the US is heading towards looking like Kenya does right now.

[BulletMagnet]

The problem you bleeding farts have is you’re able to get spun on sensationalism on factors that have no bearing on the topic at hand, which I thought was affordability in the USA.

There is a lot implied here, but I want to hear it from you directly: tell me, does this administration's policy of disappearing people who speak against it off the street affect your opinion of it, at all? Does the Epstein scandal? The appointment of, by any possible measure, grossly unqualified loyalists to vital government positions? Its stance that the executive branch can simply overrule the other two branches whenever it wants, Constitution be damned? Hell, even if you want to stick purely to dollars and cents, how about the fact that it wants to - and already has - hidden federal spending data?

Does any of that strike you as, just possibly, something a bit more substantial than "sensationalism"?

Either way. You guys are emotional to the point of cringe about feelings and impulses you can’t quantify.

I can quantify my feelings quite easily, and have, multiple times, in this very thread, for years: putting lifelong criminals and grifters who openly despise working people into office is, unless you're both a kleptocrat and plutocrat, a bad idea.

In any event, if you want to continue to insist that nobody on the domestic front is feeling the pinch on account of Daddy's tariffs despite that literally being how tariffs work, it appears that at least one of your fellow cocksuckers didn't get the memo.

[orange808]

I don't need "learn to code" advice from a scriptkiddie brogrammer. I can handle grown up stuff like linking and manual memory management. Boilerplate isn't always busywork.

[BryanM]

The new season of the King Of The Hill has these guys in the comment section complaining about it being 'woke' and 'shit' now. Much to the confusion to anyone who's ever watched the show.

The whole point of the show has always been about moving outside of your comfort zone, and learning how to co-exist, and sometimes even find common ground to bond with, other people.

FFS, an entire episode was once dedicated to Peggy making friends with a cross-dresser.

That's always been pure anathema to nazis. They want to murder the shit out of everything outside of their comfort zone, not live together in the same world.

The South Park documentation is effective. 'You guys are, are..... uh, um... cringe! And woke! For thinking murdering a puppy is wrong! You can't even quantify that with a chart!!!' Like, lol, what?? Why's this guy bullying himself?

I guess the cognitive dissonance has gotten to a breaking point.. Either you're fine with murdering defenseless dogs and exterminating two million people, or you're not. There's no room for rationalizing or making excuses for being a nazi anymore, you have to own it and do the salute, or stop being so much of a fascist. You can still be a li'l bit of a fascist and not also want to exterminate the entire human species.

(Flashbacks to the nazi's rejecting 'Jewish math', failing to make the nuclear bomb, and putting in research resources toward making giant super tanks that don't work due to the square-cube law. Because Hitler remembered tanks turning the tide of war when they were invented in his youth. RFK really is the worst guy to put in charge of medical science...)

I remember this guy on twitter who tried to own me by saying I claimed Joe's brain was 'sharp as a tack', which I found quite amusing. I responded with the fact that Genocide Joe's brain leaked out his nose years ago, and pointed out Elon Musk's plan to turn us all into his breeding stock, Epstein style.

Insta-block, lol. Too far out of his comfort zone.

[Hoagtech]

You guys are, are..... uh, um... cringe! And woke! For thinking murdering a puppy is wrong! You can't even quantify that with a chart!!!'

The hell I can't!



So much for attention spans. The subject is affordability so you tie in fascism and immigrant deportation?

"Squirrel!!"

[BulletMagnet]

The subject is affordability so you tie in fascism and immigrant deportation?

You speak as if your support for this administration should only be judged on a single issue and nothing else it does, even as it directly relates to that issue, is even worth considering. Once again, nobody, including you, is that much of a drooling fuckwit. Stop debasing yourself because you think it pleases Daddy.

Of course, the only "argument" you've bothered to make in favor of Trump's all-important economic policy in the first place is "I will ignore everything and everyone except the CPI, refuse to accept what tariffs actually are, and dismiss anyone offering a counterpoint on any front as a hysterical sore loser". Predictably, you haven't had a single word to say about the exploding deficit, deepening wealth gap, gutting of social services, and open reprisals against anyone offering data he doesn't like - I'd frankly love to hear your take on his recent press conference with decades-long joke Stephen Moore, one of whose charts purported to list the "Medium Wage". Extra credit: try to find an actual source or methodology for the numbers he arrives at.

And that's all assuming that we obediently stick to a very blinkered - and convenient, for you - discussion of what we're actually dealing with here. I can't help but note that you're incredibly resistant to directly answering such simple questions as "Does the fact that the current President of the United States is a grifter, a pedophile, and a wannabe Fascist bother you at all?" because that's apparently "off topic" for the discussion at hand.

Because it's completely inappropriate to ask someone just how much suffering and death they're willing to inflict on countless people in the name of boosting their memecoin holdings before the rug pull.

Back at the ranch, as Trump invades "out of control" D.C., despite his own DOJ stating that the city's crime has fallen sharply, literally two days ago he cut the city's Urban Security Fund grants by nearly half. He is literally deploying troops against American citizens to avenge Big Balls getting his pussy ass whipped.

[Sima Tuna]

You guys are, are..... uh, um... cringe! And woke! For thinking murdering a puppy is wrong! You can't even quantify that with a chart!!!'

The hell I can't!



So much for attention spans. The subject is affordability so you tie in fascism and immigrant deportation?

"Squirrel!!"

Where is the pie chart that shows me the percentage of farmers that rehome their dog or keep it as a house pet rather than murdering it?

[BryanM]

Where is the pie chart that shows me the percentage of farmers that rehome their dog or keep it as a house pet rather than murdering it?

Is he seriously defending some serial killer that 'hates' (her words) puppies and goats and derives pleasure from murdering them and bragging about it?

All the farmers I've ever known have some real affection for their literal livestock. They're not fucking psycho nazis. A normal person sees baby cows, and they want to pet them and become friends with them. They don't fantasize about chopping their heads off and soaking themselves in their blood.

Try to resist replying to him, guys. He just wants an adversary to be angry against to distract himself from having to introspect why having his money stolen by Trump isn't actually happening. He pretends to care about 'muh money', but having it stolen from him and supporting that proves outright that he does not. Which means his terminal values lie with hurting other people, not his money, and he's not ready to accept that about himself yet. Like with liberals, he wants to pretend to himself that he's a 'good person' rather than just another person. The ego is a fragile thing when something so blatantly shatters every single myth one made up about oneself.

He's reeling from his discovery that he doesn't care about his money even a little bit. Just let him stew, try to resist the urge of having a punching bag within reach. Better he absorbs some words from his actual peers here by osmosis, than hiding off in some nazi silo where they're pretending the sales tax is going to make them all big bucks.

Time to move on. Let's bully Sama and those hack frauds for GPT-5. I've never seen so much hype end up such a loud sad fart in my life. Not even the ridiculous lead-up to the reveal of the segway. (Which at least ain't no solar freakin' roadway.)

grossly unqualified loyalists to vital government positions

You're incredibly, incredibly generous here. A sack of flour is unqualified. These guys are almost all diametrically the opposite of who you'd want in these positions. Like a pedo running a daycare center, a serial killer nurse at an old folk's home, a fat guy in an ice cream shop.

RFK wants to abolish vaccines. Guy's in charge of the country's medical programs.

Like Sanders tells young people who don't want to live in a techno fascist shithole, all people in government are just some random people. He didn't know how to be a mayor when he was elected as one, but he learned. Giving an actual shit about people and life is fundamentally more important than 'qualifications'.

Hillary Clinton was certainly 'qualified' to be president, more than 99.9% of people. There are at least 120 million people I'd rather be president than her.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Where is the pie chart that shows me the percentage of farmers that rehome their dog or keep it as a house pet rather than murdering it?

The thing is that yes, if your dog suddenly turns dangerous and gets rabies, there might be a reason to have to shoot it. But it entirely sounds unwarranted here and a potential training issue, and a case of jumping to literally a nuclear option before anything else. There's also a matter of perception; the Republicans basically have the most indelicate, cruel way of tackling any kind of issue imaginable and have essentially no tact or compassion whatsoever. Case in point: their treatment of immigrants. Should the parts of the constitution that mention birthright citizenship be amended? Probably, most countries have stipulations on how birthright citizenship works and where it does and does not apply. It's not unreasonable to consider that maybe the Constitution needs some amendments. It's happened before after all and is a healthy part of any democracy (or in this case a nation that can barely qualify as a democracy...). But any time the Republicans, through force of a miracle, manage to actually hit on a legitimate issue that could be in need of reforms, they do so in the most clumsy, inept, callous, disrespectful, and incompetent way possible, ensuring that no actual reforms take place and future generations need to repair the damage. It's the kind of politician they don't just actively attract, but seem to try and deliberately recruit!

It's basically why her story raises such red flags. If she's like this in her private life, what's her decision making like as a politician?

He is literally deploying troops against American citizens to avenge Big Balls getting his pussy ass whipped.

I wonder if there's any chance at all that the military he's summoned realizes they're being yanked around on a leash by a madman and actually step in to remove him from power? Given the general unwillingness of America to actually do something, it seems like there's looking like there's fewer and fewer chances to stop Hitler 2: Electric Boogaloo from happening. It's like the dude read Mein Kampf and thought it was a How-To book.

[orange808]

It's not unreasonable to consider that maybe the Constitution needs some amendments.

So, you're saying a document that was essentially written in 1787 might not be sufficient to deal with modern problems 238 years later?

That's crazy talk. It's obviously holy and perfect. I mean, what could have possibly changed over the last 238 years?

[vol.2]

I think we would be better off with the articles of the confederacy. At least then States could steer themselves.

[Hoagtech]

The subject is affordability so you tie in fascism and immigrant deportation?

You speak as if your support for this administration should only be judged on a single issue and nothing else it does.

The opposite. I speak about a single issue and you turn it into "support of the administration" instead of debating why the CPI is not a good indicator of economic policy. Calling people who almost got killed by a violent mob pussy ass shows your colors BM. Lol "BM"

Where is the pie chart that shows me the percentage of farmers that rehome their dog or keep it as a house pet rather than murdering it?

There is a very small chance the dog can be rehomed. If it goes to the shelter. The tax payers pay for Municipal shelters and it gets the injection anyways. You can't keep a dog as a house pet if you have chickens on the homestead. It will kill them and possibly rip off a toddlers face depending on how bad the behavior is. Given this dog was a chicken killer, I wouldn't want it around my kids.

You guys need to realize that this is the reality of County life and farmsteads. They kill their own animals to protect their other animals. You probably don't hear what they do to stray cats...

The thing is that yes, if your dog suddenly turns dangerous and gets rabies, there might be a reason to have to shoot it. But it entirely sounds unwarranted here and a potential training issue, and a case of jumping to literally a nuclear option before anything else.

The dog killed chickens. It needed to leave the homestead at the least.

Try to resist replying to him, guys. He just wants an adversary to be angry against to distract himself from having to introspect why having his money stolen by Trump isn't actually happening. He pretends to care about 'muh money', but having it stolen from him and supporting that proves outright that he does not. Which means his terminal values lie with hurting other people, not his money, and he's not ready to accept that about himself yet. Like with liberals, he wants to pretend to himself that he's a 'good person' rather than just another person. The ego is a fragile thing when something so blatantly shatters every single myth one made up about oneself.

He's reeling from his discovery that he doesn't care about his money even a little bit. Just let him stew, try to resist the urge of having a punching bag within reach. Better he absorbs some words from his actual peers here by osmosis, than hiding off in some nazi silo where they're pretending the sales tax is going to make them all big bucks.

This is getting so predictable. The amount of projection and gaslighting going on in only a few paragraphs is very funny to me. And then you command your dogs to ignore me while playing the "Straw man fallacy" tactic Card?

Lol. This is the liberal equivalent of being handed French Fries by Ronald Mcdonald himself.

But I take money seriously so lets look into your financial advice..

*Checks portfolio

Nope. Still fucking killing it. Haha brokey

[Sima Tuna]

Where is the pie chart that shows me the percentage of farmers that rehome their dog or keep it as a house pet rather than murdering it?

There is a very small chance the dog can be rehomed. If it goes to the shelter. The tax payers pay for Municipal shelters and it gets the injection anyways. You can't keep a dog as a house pet if you have chickens on the homestead. It will kill them and possibly rip off a toddlers face depending on how bad the behavior is. Given this dog was a chicken killer, I wouldn't want it around my kids.

You guys need to realize that this is the reality of County life and farmsteads. They kill their own animals to protect their other animals. You probably don't hear what they do to stray cats...

The thing is that yes, if your dog suddenly turns dangerous and gets rabies, there might be a reason to have to shoot it. But it entirely sounds unwarranted here and a potential training issue, and a case of jumping to literally a nuclear option before anything else.

The dog killed chickens. It needed to leave the homestead at the least.

I have redneck relatives. I grew up shooting guns. My grandparents had a farm. Great-grandparents lived out in the sticks and had an orchard and shit. They used metal sheeting to keep the deer away from the orchard. Family hunted and fished.

I'm sure they did a lot of animal killing that's above my pay grade. Of animals they planned to eat.

"There's a very small chance the dog can be rehomed" Citation very much fucking needed there. I have had dogs my entire life. Prey drive is completely different from violence against the owner or against children. Prey drive is natural. Some dogs can't be around prey animals because they will hunt them. That's part of what many breeds were raised to do. That does NOT mean your dog is going to murder your children or attack you or be in any way a bad dog. That is a dog being a dog. It's more abnormal for a dog to not kill chickens than it to kill chickens. You are training the dog to defy evolution and in some cases, its own process of domestication (with hunting breeds.)

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The dog we had when I was a teenager absolutely could not be around prey animals. He killed rats and squirrels on numerous occasions. He was very fast and he was proud of himself when he had done it. His breed was Keeshond and they were trained to exterminate pests.

There is no reason to kill a dog that kills chickens! Rehome it to a house that doesn't have fucking chickens in it! Yes, some dogs will kill rats. Or squirrels. Or chickens. You don't need to kill the dog. Keep it away from the things it wants to kill and it won't do that. You can work with it over time to hopefully lessen the behavior, but in some cases you just have to accept that not every dog is perfect (as not every person is perfect.) That doesn't mean they are Bad or that they need to be murdered.

I realize that shelters being what they are, sadly many shelters will choose to kill animals rather than take in more, because they are full. Backyard breeders should be pursued aggressively for contributing to an atmosphere of excessive pet production. But that doesn't mean I agree with the practices of kill shelters or that anyone should be murdering their pet. There are no kill shelters in this country and a rich fuck (well, 5 million net worth is rich in my book) like Noem could have found a solution that didn't involve murder IF she gave a single shit.

I actually agree with "the dog needed to leave the homestead." I think most people would have rehomed the dog. Kristi is clearly a shit pet owner and someone out there in this wide world might have loved that dog for many years.