SNES/Famicon PCB Revisions and RGB Video

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maton1200
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Re: SNES/Famicon PCB Revisions and RGB Video

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Rulumi wrote:I think the problem may come to two things, the design of the video circuit on the board itself may be a bit noisy as usually all models after the SHVC-CPU-01 gets it noiser and noiser.

The other and may be as important is that SNS-CPU-RGB-0X motherboards uses an S-RGB video encoder (exact one used on 1CHIP models) instead of the S-ENC video encoder. Bypassing the video encoder with an S-ENC or a modern one and/or it's own board instead the motherboard one should improve things.

Also if you only want S-Video I recommend an original design system (2 PPUs and 1 CPU) instead of the 1CHIPs, the 1CHIP internally works quite differently and has bugs in various games. Most of the time they are minor graphical problems in specific parts (garbage dots on some part of the screen), but it's alarming in how many it happens.

In compairison to the 1CHIP, clone systems which use the same internal design for their three clone chips (1 PPU with the 2 PPUs design inside, 1 CPU and 1 SPC700 clone) since they created them in the 90s (they were released around 1994-1995). While clones may have a few more major issue games than what's currently reported of the 1CHIP, in total clone systems may have less problems and bugs with games than the 1CHIPs (but as said, the 1CHIP problems are usually minor graphical errors in specific parts, but they really happen in a lot of games).
Thanks,

I saw some people in another forum mentioning that adding a 470ohm resistor somewhere (unclear where exactly since nobody drew a diagram) on the Luma or Chroma signals takes care of the issue. Not sure if anybody has heard of that mod
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Re: SNES/Famicon PCB Revisions and RGB Video

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FBX wrote: Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:47 am
SamIAm wrote:
Anyway, I'm not sure what else to do with this APU-01. Any suggestions?
APU is THE WORST version of the SNES console to have because of the diagonal subcarrier noise interference. Voultar found the fix by lifting pin #3 on the PPU2 chip, and I did this myself to test on my own APU (I kept it even though I have two different 1CHIP consoles). Pics of my mod and results:

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Be warned you of course lose color on composite video output, but that's a small price to pay for cleaner RGB.
I can also confirm lifting pin 3 of PPU2 improves the image quite a lot. I went from this:

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To this:

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Re: SNES/Famicon PCB Revisions and RGB Video

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What’s the deal with Voultar and the edge enhancer. He’s been teasing that thing for ages. I’m kinda at the point where I may just abandon by gsu02 I was planning to enhance and just get a 1chip.
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Re: SNES/Famicon PCB Revisions and RGB Video

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LDigital wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:32 pm What’s the deal with Voultar and the edge enhancer. He’s been teasing that thing for ages. I’m kinda at the point where I may just abandon by gsu02 I was planning to enhance and just get a 1chip.
The last time I've checked, it has already been released as an installation service for people who'd like to have their SNES/SFC consoles serviced by him. DIY kits are slated to be released soon (before the end of the year was the latest estimate).

Since I've already recapped my SHVC-CPU-01 console and installed it in an atomic purple shell (as its original shell now houses my 1CHIP, which had a yellowed shell), I'm planning on buying a DIY kit as soon as it's released as I feel confident enough to install it myself after watching Macho Nacho's video of it.
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Re: SNES/Famicon PCB Revisions and RGB Video

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LDigital wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:32 pm What’s the deal with Voultar and the edge enhancer. He’s been teasing that thing for ages. I’m kinda at the point where I may just abandon by gsu02 I was planning to enhance and just get a 1chip.
I have been waiting patiently on Voultar's edge enhancer to be released too. However after a disagreement on social media I had with Voultar where he threatened to block me just because I disagreed with his stance on a certain soldering practice, I decided to look into alternatives to his edge enhancer.

I came across the RetroSix Edge Buster which going on what limited information I could find seems to really work to eliminate the smeared edges. I now have one in my possession and hope to fit it in the next couple of days. I plan on posting a review of it here.

If it lives up to the things I've seen online then it will deliver a comparable image to Voultar's mod (assuming you have performed other mods such as the jail bar fix, the line down the middle fix and lifted pin 3 on PPU2) at a third of the price assuming Voultar's mod costs around £60.
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Re: SNES/Famicon PCB Revisions and RGB Video

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SMLMcKenzie wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 9:42 am
LDigital wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:32 pm What’s the deal with Voultar and the edge enhancer. He’s been teasing that thing for ages. I’m kinda at the point where I may just abandon by gsu02 I was planning to enhance and just get a 1chip.
I have been waiting patiently on Voultar's edge enhancer to be released too. However after a disagreement on social media I had with Voultar where he threatened to block me just because I disagreed with his stance on a certain soldering practice, I decided to look into alternatives to his edge enhancer.

I came across the RetroSix Edge Buster which going on what limited information I could find seems to really work to eliminate the smeared edges. I now have one in my possession and hope to fit it in the next couple of days. I plan on posting a review of it here.

If it lives up to the things I've seen online then it will deliver a comparable image to Voultar's mod (assuming you have performed other mods such as the jail bar fix, the line down the middle fix and lifted pin 3 on PPU2) at a third of the price assuming Voultar's mod costs around £60.
Well as usual he's a little baby that can't handle anyone that doesn't openly kowtow to him. What else is new. Whenever I see anything with his name attached, I just hope someone else is working on something similar.
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Re: SNES/Famicon PCB Revisions and RGB Video

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Unfortunately the RetroSix Edgebuster hasn't worked out well. I installed it today and It really works at getting rid of the blurred edges but it has introduced a problem where parts of the image seem to wobble left and right. You can see the issue on the RetroSix Discord here:

https://discord.com/channels/8173027372 ... 7780133045

I believe I have installed it correctly but I may have made a mistake. Hopefully there is something I can do to fix it but I suspect the issue lies with the Edgebuster as when you set all the jumper switches to 0% the issue goes away (and the edges are blurry again).

Think I may end up having to get Voultar's mod after all...
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Re: SNES/Famicon PCB Revisions and RGB Video

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I lifted pin 27 on PPU2 and it made a big difference, completley removing the needle like jailbars that became apparent after lifting pin 3 on PPU 2 to remove the fabric like pattern that covered the whole screen.

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Bent a sewing pin to help lift the pin:

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Just need to get the edge's enhanced!
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