M2 Toaplan collection

[Arino]

LOL I think I misread it somehow, it's actually clear the way he phrased it. woops

[velo]

Nothing against you Steven, I value you sharing your knowledge, but speaking in general I think people talk too much about the difficulty of games. These rankings just create unnecessary barriers in your head. If you are an inexperienced player, the easiest arcade STG will seem just as difficult to you as the most difficult one.
Also, imagine someone asking for easier games and for instance they are told: "Play the Game Boy version of Darius, you will easily no miss clear the game on your first try ever!" - and imagine they play the game and don't clear it on their first try. Not on their second attempt either. Imagine how discouraging and mind fucking that situation will become for them.
Of course it's ok to talk about difficulty in games and it's something that is commonly asked about, I just wanted to point out this one side to it.

Speaking for myself, I've been getting beaten down a bit by Hishouzame after hearing all about how easy it is from you guys. I cleared Tiger Heli in less time (iirc, anyway). I genuinely think Hisho starts off harder than Kyuukyoku, you need a bit of memo just to grab power ups, and you never level up to the busted firepower that Kyuukyoku gives you. The biggest catch is that Kyuukyoku is so much longer. That and the bosses.

I second Steven's comments about the three collections. Same! is the logical choice. I had the most fun beating my head against Kyuukyoku, but I couldn't get into Get Star. You get Teki Paki no matter what, so you can't lose.

[hamfighterx]

Gonna chime in with another vote for Hishou Same! Same! Same! if I had to pick just one. But this is a hard decision, the real answer really is ALL THREE.

My vote is primarily on the strength of Hishouzame, since I think S!^3 is a bit too hateful of a game for my tastes. Wardner is fine I guess, though I think the FDS version is a really interesting port.

Vol 1 has Kyu Tiger, which is freaking great and the obvious highlight. But Tiger Heli is maybe the weakest of the shooters in the three volumes (understandable due to the age, and still enjoyable, but still). I do think this volume has the most interesting selection of console ports though - I like seeing the comparison between the NES/MD/PCE versions. Get Star/Guardian is my least favorite of the non-STG bonus games in these three volumes.

And Zero Fire is perhaps the most consistent of the collections. Both shooters and Horror Story are really strong, whereas I have one clear favorite game on each of the other two compilations. I wasn't too familiar with Hellfire but kind of love it. And the PCE/MD ports of both games are fairly unique versions, and good quality.

[bobrocks95]

I'll probably end up with all of them eventually! I'm way behind on my shmup backlog though, since I tend to hyperfixate on them and Ikaruga hurt me so badly. Still have GG Aleste 2 and 3 to finish on that collection.

I appreciate all the comments! These M2 PS4 releases really hold their value so no issue picking them up any time until they're in danger of going out of print.

[BurlyHeart]

Woo, my LRG copy of Tiger-Heli arrived this week. Of course, the disc was loose but hopefully ti will be fine.

Looking forward to seeing why Steven rates this so highly.

[Steven]

Kyuukyoku Tiger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty much everything else ever made except for food and water and shelter.

Anyway Snow Bros Wonderland has a release date: November 28th. Website is also up: https://jp.snowbros-wonderland.com/

I know the trailer from last year makes it look really really bad, but having actually played it at Tokyo Game Show, it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than the trailer made it look. They only had the PS5 version out on the floor, so the other versions are unknown, but at least the PS5 version is good.

Now that I think about it, the protagonists are the sons of the original Snow Bros game's protagonists... shouldn't this actually be called Snow Cousins? Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........... probably best to not think about it too much.

[ryu]

Anyway Snow Bros Wonderland has a release date: November 28th. Website is also up: https://jp.snowbros-wonderland.com/

I have no idea what that game is and the website is not helping me out with that question at all lol

[Steven]

Anyway Snow Bros Wonderland has a release date: November 28th. Website is also up: https://jp.snowbros-wonderland.com/

I have no idea what that game is and the website is not helping me out with that question at all lol

It's basically 3D Snow Bros. Actually, not even "basically". It's 3D Snow Bros. There isn't much on the website, including the new trailer for some reason, but here is a new trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB65kXYHT2U

[ryu]

Anyway Snow Bros Wonderland has a release date: November 28th. Website is also up: https://jp.snowbros-wonderland.com/

I have no idea what that game is and the website is not helping me out with that question at all lol

It's basically 3D Snow Bros. Actually, not even "basically". It's 3D Snow Bros. There isn't much on the website, including the new trailer for some reason, but here is a new trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB65kXYHT2U

Looks like a fun action platformer I would have enjoyed playing on the N64 when I was young. Cool! ( )

[Steven]

I have no idea what that game is and the website is not helping me out with that question at all lol

It's basically 3D Snow Bros. Actually, not even "basically". It's 3D Snow Bros. There isn't much on the website, including the new trailer for some reason, but here is a new trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB65kXYHT2U

Looks like a fun action platformer I would have enjoyed playing on the N64 when I was young. Cool! ( )

Yeah, it looks like something of that era, which is probably a good thing. I'm not particularly fond of 3D platformers for some reason that I've never been able to identify, but I will definitely try this. Preorders opened today, but I'm going to hold off until they finish announcing all of the retailer-specific preorder bonuses to see if there's anything that I want. I hate retailer-specific preorder bonuses, especially if it's exclusive DLC for the game, but that's how it works in Japan now, so no choice.

Hopefully they'll finish Tatsujin Extreme soon as well. That's supposed to launch this year too, but somehow I doubt it will.

[RiverRaider]

Evercade has a Toaplan release towards the end of year, so I doubt the IP is in limbo.

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[Jonpachi]

Not M2

I love the Evercade, but wrong thread.

[gbaplayer]

Do you think at tokyo game Show we will hear some news about the next arcade garage Release?

[pablumatic]

Do you think at tokyo game Show we will hear some news about the next arcade garage Release?

If there's no announcements at TGS 2024 then you can be assured nothing is coming soon/anytime this year.

[bobrocks95]

What sort of contract work has M2 been on lately? I think they did the DS emulation for that new Castlevania collection? If they're keeping busy that's fine, just don't want to hear about layoffs or something.

EDIT: Part of the Metal Gear Master Collection as well, so some semi-steady work for Konami then.

[pablumatic]

What sort of contract work has M2 been on lately? I think they did the DS emulation for that new Castlevania collection? If they're keeping busy that's fine, just don't want to hear about layoffs or something.

EDIT: Part of the Metal Gear Master Collection as well, so some semi-steady work for Konami then.

M2 was working on a shooter for Compile Heart last year.

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Earlier this year (I think) they had a booth showing off Truxton II and Outzone, but they weren't ShotTriggers versions yet. That and Aleste Branch, and the maybe never coming out Ubusana is all we know at the moment.

[Samuray]

Aleste Branch sure, but what about Senjin Aleste? Is there no hope for a port?

[SeafoamGaming]

Ratalaika will be at TGS with V-V and Slap Fight. No clue if they're the console versions or redundant arcade ports.

If we don't see M2 there with something I'm gonna just personally assume they canned it due to the milking out of Toaplan's catalog since the lineup started. We went from barely seeing these games to them being on everything and letting anyone work with them. (see: all the bitwave ports that are mostly messy still)

Really hope they do Psycho Oscar and Boogie Wings at least. And I'd still love M2 Toaplan stuff for home versions like say, the Snow Bros duo or PCE/MD Daisenpu

[Sumez]

Ratalaika? What the hell, that was a surprise. Looks like everyone's getting a go at Toaplan.
Can't wait for Johnny Turbo's Arcade: Out Zone

[hamfighterx]

What sort of contract work has M2 been on lately? I think they did the DS emulation for that new Castlevania collection? If they're keeping busy that's fine, just don't want to hear about layoffs or something.

EDIT: Part of the Metal Gear Master Collection as well, so some semi-steady work for Konami then.

Not only did they do the DS games, but they also created a brand new Haunted Castle remake that's included in that collection. Basically, what Castlevania The Adventure: Rebirth on WiiWare was to the GB Castlevania The Adventure (but for Haunted Castle, obviously). We didn't hear a peep about that being in development until the day it was announced and launched, so who knows what else they might have under wraps.

Ratalaika? What the hell, that was a surprise. Looks like everyone's getting a go at Toaplan.
Can't wait for Johnny Turbo's Arcade: Out Zone

Hey hey hey... you stop that right now!

[Steven]

Ratalaika's Gleylancer definitely has some noticeable not game-ruining input lag on Switch. Hopefully they do a better job this time.

EDIT: Part of the Metal Gear Master Collection as well, so some semi-steady work for Konami then.

M2's MGS1 is also the worst part of that entire collection. It's still missing support for analog controls and acts as if you are using the d-pad for everything.

Earlier this year (I think) they had a booth showing off Truxton II and Outzone, but they weren't ShotTriggers versions yet.

Tokyo Game Show last year, and they were definitely ShotTriggers versions.

[Sengoku Strider]

Ratalaika's Gleylancer definitely has some noticeable not game-ruining input lag on Switch. Hopefully they do a better job this time.

Does it? I'll take your word for it but I managed to 1CC it so it can't have been that bad.

[Steven]

Ratalaika's Gleylancer definitely has some noticeable not game-ruining input lag on Switch. Hopefully they do a better job this time.

Does it? I'll take your word for it but I managed to 1CC it so it can't have been that bad.

It's really really REALLY small, but it's there. If you haven't played it a bunch on a real MD you probably won't notice it, and if you have played it a bunch on a real MD it will feel weird but playable.

It's not bad, but it's enough for me to skip this, so I'd prefer for them to reduce it to match playing Slap Fight MD on a real MD at most. Maybe then I'd get it, and preferably if they added something new like they did with Gleylancer's new aiming thing. Otherwise, I'm just going to continue playing it on MD instead.

[MJR]

Wasn't there supposed to be some Toaplan documentary promised on Kickstarter years ago? I remember shelling them some serious money and now it's been quiet for a very long time.

[Steven]

Wasn't there supposed to be some Toaplan documentary promised on Kickstarter years ago? I remember shelling them some serious money and now it's been quiet for a very long time.

He posts updates on Twitter mostly instead of using the Kickstarter page. Believe me, he's working extremely hard on that thing. I know he's probably going to release the Tatsujin commentary pretty soon if he can.

[Sengoku Strider]

Ratalaika's Gleylancer definitely has some noticeable not game-ruining input lag on Switch. Hopefully they do a better job this time.

Does it? I'll take your word for it but I managed to 1CC it so it can't have been that bad.

It's really really REALLY small, but it's there. If you haven't played it a bunch on a real MD you probably won't notice it, and if you have played it a bunch on a real MD it will feel weird but playable.

It's not bad, but it's enough for me to skip this, so I'd prefer for them to reduce it to match playing Slap Fight MD on a real MD at most. Maybe then I'd get it, and preferably if they added something new like they did with Gleylancer's new aiming thing. Otherwise, I'm just going to continue playing it on MD instead.

I can believe it. There were certainly times in the speed stage or stage 7 where I got sniped without being able to react and thinking I should have been able to. Gynoug just kicks my ass, I don't think I've beaten stage 3 yet. But I tend to just play a couple of games rather than going at stuff for hours straight.

[Steven]

I can believe it. There were certainly times in the speed stage or stage 7 where I got sniped without being able to react and thinking I should have been able to. Gynoug just kicks my ass, I don't think I've beaten stage 3 yet. But I tend to just play a couple of games rather than going at stuff for hours straight.

Switch or PS4/5?

[Sengoku Strider]

I can believe it. There were certainly times in the speed stage or stage 7 where I got sniped without being able to react and thinking I should have been able to. Gynoug just kicks my ass, I don't think I've beaten stage 3 yet. But I tend to just play a couple of games rather than going at stuff for hours straight.

Switch or PS4/5?

Switch. I don't think Gynoug's a bad port or anything, it just seems like a tough game that I need to sit down and really learn, but it appears to have pretty long stages.

[Steven]

I'm interested in trying Gleylancer on PS5 just to see how the input lag is compared to Switch, but not interested enough to actually buy it at its normal price. It is like 50% off relatively frequently, but I always forget to actually buy it.

Hopefully these guys fix the lag on their emulator for at least Slap Fight MD. Its previous rerelease on the MD Mini was pretty laggy as well, so hopefully it's at least better than that.

[cody]

It is like 50% off relatively frequently

It's 50% off now through the 26th