Prelude to the Apocalypse

[orange808]

Ha. Not happening.

[Sengoku Strider]

Welp, Trump's Kraken lawyer just flipped on him. She was in the room for all this. She was the one who came forward with patriotic whistleblower Lord Tensai, who claimed to be Hugo Chavez (d. 2013)'s ex-bodyguard and so had all the dirt on how Antifa rigged the 2020 election. And was totally not just some random internet bubba in Alabama.

Pictured: Fan page for mysterious figure of international espionage

ATLANTA (AP) — Lawyer Sidney Powell pleaded guilty to reduced charges Thursday over efforts to overturn Donald Trump’s loss in the 2020 election in Georgia, becoming the second defendant in the sprawling case to reach a deal with prosecutors.

Powell, who was charged alongside Trump and 17 others with violating the state’s anti-racketeering law, entered the plea just a day before jury selection was set to start in her trial. She pleaded guilty to six misdemeanors accusing her of conspiring to intentionally interfere with the performance of election duties.

As part of the deal, she will serve six years of probation, will be fined $6,000 and will have to write an apology letter to Georgia and its residents. She also agreed to testify truthfully against her co-defendants at future trials.

https://apnews.com/article/sidney-powel ... 544028e9f5

Probation, a $6000 fine and an "I'm sorry" letter, before jury selection even took place. She totally gave them everything they were after.

[orange808]

Probation, a $6000 fine and an "I'm sorry" letter, before jury selection even took place. She totally gave them everything they were after.

The guy that did marketing for Team Xecuter went to prison for 40 months. Bowser was a low level person in that piracy scheme.

This lady was involved in a treasonous coup. She gets probation and a $6000 fine.

Fuck.

[Sima Tuna]

Without hope and a chance for a better future, the cycle of violence will never stop. You cannot stop terrorism because terrorism is an idea. An idea born of despair. All you can do is show people a better way and continue to show them the better way. Probably the most true thing Bill Maher ever said was when he was asked how to stop terrorism. You know what he said? "You don't." You can't stop it. You can't stop it with a million dead kids, or two million or three. There is no easy answer. But atrocities are never the answer. Atrocities are the fuel that feeds terrorism and causes it to burn higher.

YES!!! But what to do if they refuse that? If they are too rancorous and vengeful to forgive you?

https://youtu.be/-S7WWRqEHic?t=130

What you're asking is how people can forgive. And when. I don't think it's ever easy to answer that question. It's not something we can force to a specific timetable. Violence begets violence and blood calls out for blood. A simple answer would be that first atrocities must stop from one side. One side must stop enabling the cycle. Then there must be time (during which no atrocities are committed by that side against the other) for healing. The best we can hope for is that if we show each other a better way, some will take it. There will always be those who won't. But if your attitude is that, "every person on the other side must die because of the some who won't forgive" then we've already lost. The cycle will never end with an attitude like that, because there will always be some assholes on both sides who want to perpetuate an eternity of hatred and war. With that justification, both sides will have an excuse to commit genocide on the other.

Does every American citizen deserve to die because of double-tap drone strikes? Maybe we do. After all, "we could have risen up and deposed Bush Jr/Obama." What interesting logic that is when applied to ourselves.

https://youtu.be/A9v1jJ_ATec?t=37

[BryanM]

I do kind of like how orange tends to have a status quo bias on literally... everything. It helps give me an unwarranted and unearned sense of superiority when it comes to being an oracle. (Covid being "harmless" and "no elevated deaths" is a classic that's aged like wine.)

Spoiler

The WaitButWhy guy messed up this chart by not including the true normie future projection, which is just a flat line that never goes up or down. In a world where change is a known constant, and going up and/or down happens with everything.

Does every American citizen deserve to die because of double-tap drone strikes? Maybe we do. After all, "we could have risen up and deposed Bush Jr/Obama." What interesting logic that is when applied to ourselves.

The good old collateral murder video... Manning got 35 years, commuted down to 7, for showing us that.

And you can just watch it on Youtube whenever you want to now.

The kinds of people who'd stop to save the life of some stranger bleeding to death on the street. Yeah, those are the people who deserve to die... >_>

[orange808]

I never said the flu was harmless. I did ask if nature should be allowed to take its course.

I have a friend that got a heart condition from an ordinary flu infection years before covid. Are you still quarantined and masked up? Nah. Your grans is probably safe. Fuck the unlucky! Don't like hearing your philosophy put into words? That's what you're living and doing. If you aren't affected, there's an acceptable amount of suffering, right? You and yours aren't threatened. Fuck the unlucky.

You're cool with pushing against the rest of life when you want to be. One moment you're preaching hippy "be one with the earth, man" and the next you're all about classic 1950's "better living through chemicals" to make human life better. All modern life is an extension of that. Where's the line? Where ever you draw it today.

People that get sick when you don't quarantine don't count; that's just bad luck, right? Nature should be allowed to balance unless it shouldn't. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

I had covid. It wasn't shit. Most people I know had it. Some twice. Hey, are you masked up and quarantined? My friend is going to die before he gets to 60. Do you care? Are you doing what you can? No.

It's adorable how Bryan ping pongs between letting nature be and intervention. Or, the way you mock techno optimism and come right back preaching it. (You just did that.)

Yes, I have a status quo view on the Middle East. With the a***s******m smear bomb always hovering above us all, it's hard not to. And, when Bernie Sanders essentially parrots the UN, he's branded as the "A" word.

Oh, you can already see the Colosseum in VR. Not sure why you want to tour that waste of resources. A place built to distract the Roman plebs from their problems and enjoy watching "criminals" murdered for entertainment. Cool. Can't wait to see it. They've even got places for exotic animals to live in squalid conditions and murder people because they had a debt. Noice. Not exactly a natural death by disease--being murdered by an animal that was brought from Africa to Rome is hardly natural. Being stabbed by a sharp piece of iron is no less natural. Or, being loaded onto a mini ship and shot full of arrows. Wow. Can't want to visit that place. The simulation even lets you sit with the emperor and do a thumbs down, approve a murder with your hand, and listen to the crowd roar. Cool. It serves two purposes: entertainment and a threat. Don't step out of line or you're next. That's definitely a place to preserve and show the children. I rather liked the look of it mostly buried (where it belongs) with a farm on top of it and people hauling stones away for something more important.

If you want to marvel at engineering, the aquaducts are actually worthy of awe. And, unlike the fun murder and intimidation show, they represent one of the real reasons so many diverse people wanted to identify as Roman.

Speaking of WW2:
Its better to dig up the Colosseum and all the ruins. Get that nationalism flowing! Rome happened because of a master race in Italy, right? Next, partner with Germany and Japan! I wonder how Mussolini planned to make Rome the seat of power..
1. Partner weak nation with two superpowers.
2. ????
3. Restore Roman Empire! Profit.

[Lemnear]

Oh, you can already see the Colosseum in VR. Not sure why you want to tour that waste of resources. A place built to distract the Roman plebs from their problems.
If you want to marvel at engineering, the aquaducts are actually worthy of awe. And, unlike the fun murder and intimidation show, they represent one of the real reasons so many diverse people wanted to identify as Roman.

The philosophy is:
"Panem Et Circenses" (Bread and Circus).
Replace "Circenses" with "Hollywood" to get a similar effect on masses, without all the murders etc. etc.

PS: ancient roman aqueducts are functioning, they are the main ones, they still provide water today in the whole country.

Speaking of WW2:
Its better to dig up the Colosseum and all the ruins. Get that nationalism flowing! Rome happened because of a master race in Italy, right? Next, partner with Germany and Japan! I wonder how Mussolini planned to make Rome the seat of power..
1. Partner weak nation with two superpowers.
2. ????
3. Restore Roman Empire! Profit.

Oh, simply he didn't, but acted like if it was possible.
Mussolini behaviour was, "i stick with Hitler because is the strongest, i still in contact with other because they are wiser" mostly (actions like warning the Austrian Chancellor before the nazis attack in Austria, or the secret letters with Winston Churchill). He was disgusted by the sheer amount of violence that nazis uses, not that fascist were pacifist eh..but less violent.
It is also known how Mussolini used to constantly move the few and inefficient tanks he had at his disposal to make everyone, and Hitler in particular, believe that he had an army far more powerful than the miserable reality that the war would soon demonstrate.
Oh also the italian armistice in 1943.
What a real friend and ally, right? LOL

https://youtu.be/-S7WWRqEHic?t=130

What you're asking is how people can forgive. And when. I don't think it's ever easy to answer that question. It's not something we can force to a specific timetable. Violence begets violence and blood calls out for blood. A simple answer would be that first atrocities must stop from one side. One side must stop enabling the cycle. Then there must be time (during which no atrocities are committed by that side against the other) for healing. The best we can hope for is that if we show each other a better way, some will take it. There will always be those who won't. But if your attitude is that, "every person on the other side must die because of the some who won't forgive" then we've already lost. The cycle will never end with an attitude like that, because there will always be some assholes on both sides who want to perpetuate an eternity of hatred and war. With that justification, both sides will have an excuse to commit genocide on the other.

Does every American citizen deserve to die because of double-tap drone strikes? Maybe we do. After all, "we could have risen up and deposed Bush Jr/Obama." What interesting logic that is when applied to ourselves.

https://youtu.be/A9v1jJ_ATec?t=37

Is all correct. It requires an unbelievable strongness to forgive someone that murdered all your family and stop a war.
Is far way more easy to live under the burning desire of revenge.

How the occident can ignore all the israeli raid on Gaza in the last decades? I know that they can't sustain Hamas and terrorism...but negating israeli murders could be dangerous in international relationship.

[Sengoku Strider]

Another day, another Trump lawyer flipping on him.

Mr. Chesebro, a Harvard-educated lawyer, was accused in the indictment of conspiring to create slates of so-called fake electors pledged to Mr. Trump in Georgia and several other states that Mr. Biden had won.

Mr. Chesebro agreed to “truthfully testify” against the remaining co-defendants, as did Ms. Powell and Scott Hall, an Atlanta bail bondsman who accepted a plea deal in the case in late September.

Under the agreement, Mr. Chesebro pleaded guilty to a single felony charge of conspiracy to commit filing of false documents and was sentenced to five years’ probation, although if he complies with its terms he may later ask that his probation be reduced to three years. He was also instructed to write a letter of apology to the state of Georgia (he said he had already done so) and to pay $5,000 in restitution to the Georgia secretary of state’s office.

Almost the exact same plea deal Ms. Kraken took. Giuliani is out of money and down to representing himself, I'd have to think any plea offers to him involved real jail time or he'd have rolled weeks ago.

[Rastan78]

syc·o·phant
/ˈsikəfənt,ˈsikəˌfant/
a person who acts obsequiously toward someone important in order to gain advantage.

I guess there's a little problem when it's no longer to their advantage to kiss poor little trumpy's ass any more.

[Sengoku Strider]

syc·o·phant
/ˈsikəfənt,ˈsikəˌfant/
a person who acts obsequiously toward someone important in order to gain advantage.

I guess there's a little problem when it's no longer to their advantage to kiss poor little trumpy's ass any more.

I mean, those in his inner circle know the deal. With all the bodies Trump's piled up throwing them under the bus the past few years, you could play Excite Bike driving over them.



Except with a bus.

Excite Bus.

[Rastan78]

I mean, those in his inner circle know the deal.

None more than Rudy, whose ass got thrown to the curb like he was Dan Akroyd in Trading Spaces. Help with your legal bills? What? I'm sorry. The line's breaking up.

The saddest are the ones who try to save face later by writing a tell all book or going on CNN every day to dunk on Trump. As if that will absolve them of all past sins.

Just look at Bill Barr. He's like a guilty cocker spaniel trying to scratch up a few scant blades of grass to cover the huge steamy turd he left behind. Sorry Billy, history will still remember how you whored out the office of the US Attorney General. And you will still catch a bright yellow school bus wheelie to the chin.

[Vanguard]

Just a vicious cycle of revenge. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

Wrong it's the powerful stealing from the powerless, as always. No amount of pacifism, cooperation, or forgiveness will prevent the Palestinians from being slaughtered and dispossessed by the Israelis.

[Vanguard]

Does every American citizen deserve to die because of double-tap drone strikes?

No but the American ruling class does.

[Lemnear]

Just a vicious cycle of revenge. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

Wrong it's the powerful stealing from the powerless, as always. No amount of pacifism, cooperation, or forgiveness will prevent the Palestinians from being slaughtered and dispossessed by the Israelis.

I don't like islamic fundamentalist and their religious repression on women. I simply CAN'T defend them, nor leave them alive.

[orange808]

Feminism is a product of wealthy society. Why would you expect to find it in the third world? You wouldn't, but it sure is a convenient excuse to dehumanise and kill.

The places that have made gains didn't get there by killing everyone.

[Sengoku Strider]

Does every American citizen deserve to die because of double-tap drone strikes?

No but the American ruling class does.

I don't like islamic fundamentalist and their religious repression on women. I simply CAN'T defend them, nor leave them alive.

Fuck. I woke up in the Mortal Kombat worldline again, didn't I.

[Vanguard]

I don't like islamic fundamentalist and their religious repression on women. I simply CAN'T defend them, nor leave them alive.

Ah yes, those muslims are so sexist that the only moral thing to do is genocide every last one of them (including the women). The 80% of humanity that doesn't hold the same cultural values as me are all evil and deserve to be wiped out. I'm a good person btw.

Fuck. I woke up in the Mortal Kombat worldline again, didn't I.

You say that like there was ever a time or a place that wasn't ruled by violence. The Mortal Kombat worldline is the only one. I don't like it but that's how it is.

[BulletMagnet]

I don't like islamic fundamentalist and their religious repression on women.

Curious if you've ever encountered a funny little book called the Bible, or at least heard what it's being invoked to justify, particularly against women, even as we speak.

Not that its contents excuse what lurks within the pages of the Koran or any other such text, but if you're truly motivated by the underlying principle of gender equality as opposed to personal disdain for one particular group among many which does not practice it then you should be just as willing to advocate bombing "fundamentalist" churches and synagogues as you would mosques.

[Lemnear]

Feminism is a product of wealthy society. Why would you expect to find it in the third world?

Isn't somewhat discriminatory to call the third world, the third world?

Ah yes, those muslims are so sexist that the only moral thing to do is genocide every last one of them (including the women). The 80% of humanity that doesn't hold the same cultural values as me are all evil and deserve to be wiped out. I'm a good person btw.

but it sure is a convenient excuse to dehumanise and kill.

Definition:

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For Islamists, God’s sovereignty is exclusive, therefore all mankind should obey God alone or (in the absence of direct revelation from God) rulers who reject secular ideologies in favor of obedience to God. For Abul A’ala Mawdudi, these rulers are selected by the umma and rule according to shariah. For Qutb, leaders who do not follow shariah are not legitimate authorities and should be resisted and replaced through jihad (jihad bid sayf if necessary). This is important to the Islamist perspective because it calls into question the legitimacy of all social orders not based on Islamic tenants, thus legitimizing political and/or militant action to replace them with fundamentalist orders.

Is improbable that who have already killed in the name of anything, will change their minds.
Leaving them to continue to do what they do is the solution? Throwing us in the 600A.C.?

Curious if you've ever encountered a funny little book called the Bible, or at least heard what it's being invoked to justify, particularly against women, even as we speak.

What the hell is happening in American churches? I've missed something? I live in a VERY religious place and, here there's nothing against women or anyone (not for religious reason i mean). If you mean early christianity, yes they were exactly like muslim fundamentalist...but (SLOWLY) they changed because the world changed, but for those terrorists, no, they fight to live like 1000 years ago, and they want the same to you and any other else.

Not that its contents excuse what lurks within the pages of the Koran or any other such text, but if you're truly motivated by the underlying principle of gender equality as opposed to personal disdain for one particular group among many which does not practice it then you should be just as willing to advocate bombing "fundamentalist" churches and synagogues as you would mosques.

If I don't want to live under the dictates of the Koran doesn't mean that i want to live under the dictates of the Bible, the Kabbalah or any other sacred book. AND, you can pray whatever you want for as long as you don't deny human rights to others, or the right to pray another religion ☮

[BulletMagnet]

For Islamists, God’s sovereignty is exclusive, therefore all mankind should obey God alone or (in the absence of direct revelation from God) rulers who reject secular ideologies in favor of obedience to God. [...] it calls into question the legitimacy of all social orders not based on Islamic tenants, thus legitimizing political and/or militant action to replace them with fundamentalist orders.

What the hell is happening in American churches? I've missed something?

Dude, if you're honestly serious, you don't know the half of it. I'd say this might be a good starting point to get up to speed.

AND, you can pray whatever you want for as long as you don't deny human rights to others, or the right to pray another religion

Again, you really need to familiarize yourself a lot more with what the Bible - and almost every other religious text - says about unbelievers before singling out Islam.

[Vanguard]

Curious if you've ever encountered a funny little book called the Bible, or at least heard what it's being invoked to justify, particularly against women, even as we speak.

Not that its contents excuse what lurks within the pages of the Koran or any other such text, but if you're truly motivated by the underlying principle of gender equality as opposed to personal disdain for one particular group among many which does not practice it then you should be just as willing to advocate bombing "fundamentalist" churches and synagogues as you would mosques.

Don't act like women's rights problems in christian communities are remotely as serious as women's rights problems in islamic communities. Nations with christian histories and large christian populations tend to be among the best in the world for women's rights, islamic nations tend to be among the worst. Even american women losing abortion rights is infinitesimal compared to the things that regularly go down in islamic countries. Islam is also the only major branch of abrahamic religion that is really into mutilating little girls' genitals. The christians and jews prefer to mutilate boys instead.

Leaving them to continue to do what they do is the solution? Throwing us in the 600A.C.?

Stop pretending that muslims in the middle east are in any way a threat to the western way of life.

[BulletMagnet]

Nations with christian histories and large christian populations tend to be among the best in the world for women's rights, islamic nations tend to be among the worst.

I'm frankly not enough of a religious scholar to state anything definitive on the subject, but I would very strongly suspect that, to the extent the state of affairs you cite exists (and yes, it does), it is in spite of a given area's dominant religion, not because of it; women in "the West" sure as hell aren't more empowered because the Bible says they should be, but rather because secular forces have pushed back hard enough on the religious ones to at least somewhat overcome the pre-existing dogma, though obviously in recent years the latter has pushed back, and with ferocity.

If Christian/Jewish/etc. women are more "liberated" than Muslim ones it's because secular society has seen fit to enrich, educate and empower them, and the hardcore religious types of all stripes absolutely seethe every time it happens; moreover, I'd venture that a big part of the reason such secular forces haven't taken as much of a foothold in Muslim nations is because, ironically, those same secular "Western" forces have done their damndest to make sure that most men in those countries, who any such change would have to go through, are just as poor, uneducated and beholden to blind faith as the women are.

[Sima Tuna]

Nations with christian histories and large christian populations tend to be among the best in the world for women's rights, islamic nations tend to be among the worst.

I'm frankly not enough of a religious scholar to state anything definitive on the subject, but I would very strongly suspect that, to the extent the state of affairs you cite exists (and yes, it does), it is in spite of a given area's dominant religion, not because of it; women in "the West" sure as hell aren't more empowered because the Bible says they should be, but rather because secular forces have pushed back hard enough on the religious ones to at least somewhat overcome the pre-existing dogma, though obviously in recent years the latter has pushed back, and with ferocity.

If Christian/Jewish/etc. women are more "liberated" than Muslim ones it's because secular society has seen fit to enrich, educate and empower them, and the hardcore religious types of all stripes absolutely seethe every time it happens; moreover, I'd venture that a big part of the reason such secular forces haven't taken as much of a foothold in Muslim nations is because, ironically, those same secular "Western" forces have done their damndest to make sure that most men in those countries, who any such change would have to go through, are just as poor, uneducated and beholden to blind faith as the women are.

I see this issue as being resolved in two ways:

More secular/scientific thinking emerges over time in society as more advancements are adopted and general standards of living are raised. This gives thinker types more free time to consider how society ought to be ordered, rather than scrabbling for survival within whatever current system they have. This leads to people with power eventually advancing the rights of those without, which combined with protests and other movements, pushes society towards egalitarian goals. But this is reliant upon a general level of prosperity, so that society can "afford" to grant those dang dirty subhumans some rights. Ever notice how the plight of wage slaves continues unabated around the world? The US and other western powers gleefully exploit slave labor from the developing world and why? Because those with the power consider that slave labor "necessary" for global capitalism to work as it does. Without the ability to dramatically underpay, products from the developing world can't be sold for ridiculous profits.

The second way that we could think about societies becoming more egalitarian is with the rise of atheism *tips bedora.* Or at least, religious tolerance. Christians didn't use to be as "tolerant" in the western world towards other religions as they are now. They were dragged, kicking and screaming, towards "tolerance" by a number of legal decisions and by the leadership of agnostic/atheistic/nonreligious/questioning thinkers. Men like Thomas Jefferson. That whole Inquisitorial mindset still prevails in some small rural American towns, but their ability to act like assholes is hampered to some degree by laws stating "you are not allowed to act like an asshole to someone of a different religion." Eh, to greater or lesser extent, anyway. Some forms of asshole behavior are still allowed.

So whichever way you see this, whether society becomes richer and then more egallitarian... Or whether we become more atheistic/questioning/tolerant and then more egalitarian, I think both of those elements are linked with egalitarianism far more than Christianity, Judaism, Islam or any other religion is. Religious violence and religious oppression are committed under every religion. Even Buddhism, which is mind-boggling to me. A religion that teaches you shouldn't kill even a bug, yet they justified genocides of people they disliked.

I can't say for certain that the Muslim world would be less violent if most of their citizens had their basic needs provided for. But it couldn't hurt.

[BryanM]

Synopsis: Robot waifus are the solution to everything.

"Here's to beer! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!"

/Russian high command screams in chronic alcoholism

Even Buddhism, which is mind-boggling to me. A religion that teaches you shouldn't kill even a bug, yet they justified genocides of people they disliked.

You're technically supposed to be a vegetarian if you're a real Buddhist, which reminds me of some Catholics not eating meat on Friday or whatever it is they do. Which they cheatcode around by inserting this "fish ain't meat!" lifehack into their doctrine.

Like I've said before, religions are just a grooming/propaganda outlet to align people to the ruling class's interests. When something as gentle as Buddhism, invented by sigma male hobos that weren't very far at all from cynic anti-authoritarian philosophy, like our hero Diogenes... when something like that can go "mainstream", of course it'd be ruined.

It's like how I was looking into cults to see if there was a fun one I could join when I'm older. I quickly discovered the things that made the idea appeal to me, was not remotely the same thing that appealed to most of the people who actually join a cult. (A similar feeling arises when interacting with internet Ghostbusters fans.)

The fundamental problem quickly became apparent: Cults...... are made up of people.

[Lemnear]

For Islamists, God’s sovereignty is exclusive, therefore all mankind should obey God alone or (in the absence of direct revelation from God) rulers who reject secular ideologies in favor of obedience to God. [...] it calls into question the legitimacy of all social orders not based on Islamic tenants, thus legitimizing political and/or militant action to replace them with fundamentalist orders.

What the hell is happening in American churches? I've missed something?

Dude, if you're honestly serious, you don't know the half of it. I'd say this might be a good starting point to get up to speed.

I thought that you was sarcastic but...WTF is this? damn i live not so far from the vatican itself, and here there's no sight of such christian nationalism...religion here is only simbolic and no one (even prelates) give a shit if you are a believer or not.
Scary that this christian nationalism is in U.S.... the bulwark of democracy! Is a dangerous issue? is spreaded alot?
There are some also here, but they are viewed as dumb and ignorant persons and no one pays attention to them, no one will listen to someone that denigrates and denies science, philosophy, technologies and human rights.

AND, you can pray whatever you want for as long as you don't deny human rights to others, or the right to pray another religion

Again, you really need to familiarize yourself a lot more with what the Bible - and almost every other religious text - says about unbelievers before singling out Islam.

You know that you can't take everything that is written in a 2000 years old book literally? even the Pope doesn't take it literally :\
Is dumb to base your life upon archaic preconcept...especially after decade of fight for human rights. Who wants to return in a primitive state?

The problem in EVERY religion is not the religion itself, but the fundamentalism. When you want your "God" to be above anything and anyone, above logic, above progress...
Stupid people can obtain power only in this way, when they are under the unquestionable will of their God.

Leaving them to continue to do what they do is the solution? Throwing us in the 600A.C.?

Stop pretending that muslims in the middle east are in any way a threat to the western way of life.

Not the entire muslims, only the fundamentalist that follow the shariah/jihad. Same for christian nationalism, or any other violent and de-evolutionary religious order.

[BulletMagnet]

Is a dangerous issue? is spreaded alot?

Considering that, just for starters, literally a matter of days ago a state legislator quoted Genesis to justify a vote against climate change action - and the same thing has happened on the national level as well - I think it's safe to say that the separation of church and state is in rather dire straits these days. Of course, if you've heard me prattle on here before you know my theory is not that a huge number of Americans actually believe this nonsense but that too many are unwilling to use it as an impetus to not vote for those openly exploiting it to their advantage, and all of us are paying a very real price for their inaction.

This article was linked in the above news story if you want to do some additional reading on the subject.

The problem in EVERY religion is not the religion itself, but the fundamentalism.

Then I'll quote myself again from a few posts ago: if you're truly motivated by the underlying principle of gender equality as opposed to personal disdain for one particular group among many which does not practice it then you should be just as willing to advocate bombing "fundamentalist" churches and synagogues as you would mosques.

[Lemnear]

Is a dangerous issue? is spreaded alot?

Considering that, just for starters, literally a matter of days ago a state legislator quoted Genesis to justify a vote against climate change action - and the same thing has happened on the national level as well - I think it's safe to say that the separation of church and state is in rather dire straits these days. Of course, if you've heard me prattle on here before you know my theory is not that a huge number of Americans actually believe this nonsense but that too many are unwilling to use it as an impetus to not vote for those openly exploiting it to their advantage, and all of us are paying a very real price for their inaction.

This article was linked in the above news story if you want to do some additional reading on the subject.

Strange to read this idiotic bullshit from people who have studied, from a lawmaker...education and intelligence thrown down the toilet.
Priests and cardinals here doesn't want to get involved in politically stuff, nor the government wants them into it. I don't know why in America, those "rappresentant of the christianity" (and they aren't) want to join both in a negationist theocracy What logical the reason?

The problem in EVERY religion is not the religion itself, but the fundamentalism.

Then I'll quote myself again from a few posts ago: if you're truly motivated by the underlying principle of gender equality as opposed to personal disdain for one particular group among many which does not practice it then you should be just as willing to advocate bombing "fundamentalist" churches and synagogues as you would mosques.

Your freedom ends where mine begins (and viceversa).
You can't kill girls because they don't wear the veil...can't deny the right to study, can't deny the climate change, can't deny human rights...ALL those behaviors and beliefs are DANGEROUS, for me, for you, for their compatriots, for the world.
Do you want to argue with them? the answer is "God says, blablabla" and it ends there. You can't say anything to them because the will of God is indisputable and above EVERYTHING. A dead weight for humanity.

[Sengoku Strider]

Fuck. I woke up in the Mortal Kombat worldline again, didn't I.

You say that like there was ever a time or a place that wasn't ruled by violence. The Mortal Kombat worldline is the only one. I don't like it but that's how it is.

That would be newsmedia-driven confirmation bias at work. While I understand the general OMGWE'RESOFUCKEDASASPECIES sentiment, there have been many places and (extremely lengthy) time periods where evidence of organized violence is incredibly sporadic in the anthropological record, if not outright absent:

Scientific American: War Is Not Part of Human Nature

As gruesome as mechanized warfare is, you're living in an era jointly ruled by civil bureaucrats and the merchant class which is likely the most globally peaceful in history. Nuclear deterrent has ensured that wars are contained to proxies. In fact, when FARC signed a ceasefire a few years back, there was one beautiful moment where there was literally no war on Earth.



Despite frequent appeqrances to the contrary, the blood-soaked reign of Shao Khan this is not.

[BulletMagnet]

Priests and cardinals here doesn't want to get involved in politically stuff, nor the government wants them into it.

Assuming you speak accurately, it would certainly be a historical anomaly, particularly in this neck of the woods, where churches are prohibited by law from endorsing politicians or parties while remaining tax-exempt, but openly do so anyway, and despite their constant complaints about how "persecuted" they are they're almost never penalized. Moreover, this isn't just a handful of fringe churches; it's an organized effort to deliberately poke the proverbial bear, and it's been going on for years.

I don't know why in America, those "rappresentant of the christianity" (and they aren't) want to join both in a negationist theocracy What logical the reason?

Because it gives them an avenue to exercise power over not only believers but everyone else as well, and as I mentioned before not nearly enough voters are willing to take this threat seriously; doing so, after all, would mean that the people who have been warning them for decades that the religious right is not going to stop intruding on citizens' lives until they're forced to stop, were right, and they would much rather see democracy replaced with a plutocratic theocracy than even tacitly admit it.

Your freedom ends where mine begins [...]

You seem to be dancing around the direct question I asked; are you as comfortable with the idea of killing fundamentalists of all faiths as you are with fundamentalist Muslims?

[Lemnear]

Priests and cardinals here doesn't want to get involved in politically stuff, nor the government wants them into it.

Assuming you speak accurately, it would certainly be a historical anomaly, particularly in this neck of the woods, where churches are prohibited by law from endorsing politicians or parties while remaining tax-exempt, but openly do so anyway, and despite their constant complaints about how "persecuted" they are they're almost never penalized. Moreover, this isn't just a handful of fringe churches; it's an organized effort to deliberately poke the proverbial bear, and it's been going on for years.

Because it gives them an avenue to exercise power over not only believers but everyone else as well, and as I mentioned before not nearly enough voters are willing to take this threat seriously; doing so, after all, would mean that the people who have been warning them for decades that the religious right is not going to stop intruding on citizens' lives until they're forced to stop, were right, and they would much rather see democracy replaced with a plutocratic theocracy than even tacitly admit it.

But why i need to exercise power on others?
However, here ANY persons related to a churches speak exactly like the Pope (Stop the War, Save the Nature, Help the Needy etc.) and does not engage in politics...but the vatican have several proprieties, structures, fundations, onlus, hospitals (the best around), etc. obviously they have their dirty affair in Africa, Swiss etc.
I don't know how much frequented the churches are in America now, but here are almost empty, only really old persons go to mass (and tourists ) , this is probably the reason for the absence of christian nationalism...even in school classes it is forbidden to hang a cross (or any religious symbols).
Oh... the Pope himself said this to the LGBT community:
"God is Father and does not deny any of his children" ....so for my point of view is scary to see this christian nationalism that is spiritually so far from the actual church :\ and dangerous especially because is in U.S..

Your freedom ends where mine begins [...]

You seem to be dancing around the direct question I asked; are you as comfortable with the idea of killing fundamentalists of all faiths as you are with fundamentalist Muslims?

Fundamentalist are ACTIVELY trying to bend others to their religion, not just spreading their doctrine. I mean, i respect your beliefs if you respect mine, if you can't or don't want to respect other religions and other lifestyles, that's your problem and if you want to hurt me FOR THAT....well...i'm not the evil one
No war has caused as many victims as those waged in the name of God, but hey, we learned and evolved from this (still wage wars... but for more "practical" reasons at least).

In nature, those who do not evolve, perish, and fundamentalists are like crusaders...but it's 2023, so either it will happen naturally, or, if necessary, it will need a little help, with no hate, just...cold functionality..
EDIT: mmm sound nazi in this D: