dwn_013_crash_man wrote:
orange808 wrote:
I read "gangs" in your discussion as a dog whistle for black/hispanic men. It doesn't actually have jack shit to do with drugs. It's a way to say "bad black/hispanic guy". "Gangs" is always a loaded word. It is rarely used without a ton of loaded and unspoken negative meaning. In your gun discussion, it's a dog whistle. (I didn't picture white kids snapping their fingers in white t-shirts.)
I acknowledged the disconnect of legalising weed without a good legal supply chain. That does encourage organised crime (yes, that's how you phrase it). So, I agree. But, that's not the real cause of gun violence problems.
If you're reading into gangs as a "dog whistle for black/hispanic men" then I seriously have no clue how you talk to anyone without making negative assumptions about everything they have to say.
(Really shows that even with Mischief Maker attempting to prevent the conversation from touching race you somehow managed to shoehorn it in anyway...)
I mentioned gangs because
statistically speaking 62% of firearm deaths in Canada in the year 2016 were "gang related" as opposed to 36.7% which were "non-gang related" (and 4% (literally 4 instances) of that 36.7% that involved someone that was licensed to have the firearm). The only one shoving in ANYTHING race related is you.
Nobody's saying that all organized crime has just to do with gangs or drugs (heck, there was an illegal casino being run here in a residence not too far from where I live from which they discovered a bunch of weapons in).
You can't pick and choose pleasant parts of subjects and pretend other factors don't exist. Avoiding mentioning it doesn't make it go away. Also, I don't see how chiming in on American gun control based on Canada makes sense.
America has four times the guns per capita, ten times the population, seven times the population density of Canada, and 21 times the poverty rate. All of that and Americans have the worst health care outcomes of any developed western nation. And, the "bad" doesn't break evenly across the population. It disproportionately affects people based on race.
So, you're welcome to tell me about your experience in Canada, but don't quote me and pretend it has anything to do with America's issues.
The heart of your argument is bullocks. You're trying to tell me we can have all the guns we want, because only bad guys shoot people with illegal guns. I don't buy it. More guns per capita makes them easier to get and increases the opportunity for people to get one. I'm the lefty Rand Paul warns you about. I do want to take the guns away.