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 Post subject: Re: Pimp my PC: The PC circlejerk thread
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:20 pm 


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I'm using what I think is a standard Verizon router with a fiber optic connection, I would guess the limited speed over wired has to do with the fact I'm using a random ethernet cable I found in the closet behind the cat's litter box daisy chained to the ethernet cable that came with the Xbox 360.

I guess I could just get longer, better quality cables...
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 Post subject: Re: Pimp my PC: The PC circlejerk thread
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:49 pm 


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It's more about getting a cable capable of transmitting the data at the speeds you want, but yeah, it sounds like you need a different one.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:11 pm 


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This thread had me investigating any updates for my x470 board regarding AMDs initial claim the x470 chipset wouldn't support Zen-3 due to bios limitations.
If you were slightly outta the loop as I was, they've reversed** that decision and now say Zen-3 support will be available via a beta-bios.

** it falls on the manufacturers. it's speculative at this point, but the presumption is the zen (ryzen 1000) instruction set will have to be removed to make room.
additionally, the majority of the images/graphics are removed/simplified; MSI already did this for several of their x470 boards with 16mb bios' when they added support for Zen-2.


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 Post subject: Re: Pimp my PC: The PC circlejerk thread
PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:40 pm 


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Well, I got up early this morning, and camped out on Nvidia's shop page for 3 hours, waiting for 9 am est to roll around so I could purchase the literal second the RTX 3080 became available. Surely that was overkill right? Well apparently refreshing every minute 5 minutes before 9 am wasn't good enough, because the cards immediately went from "coming soon" to "sold out" in less than a minute.

Fuck Nvidia, I'm buying Big Navi instead.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:51 pm 



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It was obvious for a while only the lucky ones* would get a card at launch. I'm happy I placed my order early, so when the retailer I purchased from gets more I'm early in the queue (the retailer expects more cards for sale 1 November, but expects my order to ship 30 September. Both are probably made up numbers, but it gives some idea where I am in the queue). That and I won't be affected if they try to raise price due to demand.

* Or unlucky ones if it turns out to be a bad purchase for some reason. Some hardware flaw yet unnoticed, AMD coming out with something revolutionary soon.


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 Post subject: Re: Pimp my PC: The PC circlejerk thread
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:45 pm 



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Gamers Nexus claims this wasn't a paper launch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHogHMvZscM
I'm not sure they're trustworthy, they do want to stay close to the companies in question, but they're at least more trustworthy than Nvidia.

Also, unsurprisingly PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0 makes little difference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DKVVtirNM8
I've read another review that gives similar results, I'm not strictly trusting Gamers Nexus on this. Obviously if you're buying today, PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0 is decided by if you want an AMD processor or Intel processor, but if you have an older system, no reason to avoid the 3080 if you're going 4K (I consider 3080 overkill for 1440p. You could definitely benefit from it, I just wouldn't waste the money).


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:45 pm 


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I'd be amazed if there's more than a handful of cards that fully utilize PCIe 3.0 32GB/s bandwidth. The little bit I've read on PCIe 4.0 points to it's real benefits being with storage, and unsurprisingly they're throwing theoretical limits around (with large files).

on the X570 boards. been awhile since i've seen active cooling.... maybe ~'05 or '06 when evga still manufactured boards. anyways, the bearings in those little fans are often prone to an early death.


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 Post subject: Re: Pimp my PC: The PC circlejerk thread
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:29 pm 


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Yeah, originally I was planning on getting a X570 board since they were the fanciest and I was under the mistaken impression that chipset lanes = all the lanes, and X570 was the only board type with PCIE 4.0 chipset lanes. I was later informed that B550 was a better choice since it was more recent, supports PCIE 4.0 over CPU lanes, the X570 was apparently rushed to market, and the X570 fans are apparently more trouble than they're worth.

I spent the last 5 days sitting at my PC, staring at my shop auto refresher and intently reading a Discord channel dedicated to tracking RTX 3080 stock. Whenever stock went up, generally either the site would go down from the massive spike in traffic (after which the graphic cards sell out while I'm struggling to access the site), or the cards go out of stock just as I'm finalizing payment. Despite receiving immediate alerts whenever stock went live, I was still unable to secure a RTX 3080. Until yesterday that is. See Zotac randomly put up stock on their website for a second time, and everybody immediately crashed the site. Again. While everyone else was busy trying to get onto Zotac's website, I had already given up on Zotac and randomly decided to check Amazon. They had suddenly gotten a small shipment of EVGA XC3 Ultra RTX 3080 cards at that moment. First attempt to check out, it returned an error. I tried a second time, it went through. Amazon sold out of the card about a minute afterwards. Amazon gave me a delivery estimate of October 17th.

Fast forward to today, my Amazon order was not voided (as had been experienced by people ordering on Newegg and during an earlier Amazon restock), and the delivery date had in fact been moved up to October 7th. Looks like I managed to secure the RTX 3080. And I won't have to worry about debating whether to wait for Zen 3, since my graphics card will be delivered right before the Zen 3 announcement.

Of course, I wonder whether I'll have to repeat this nightmare to get a Zen 3 CPU during that launch... I'm thinking if I can't get a Zen 3 CPU after a week of trying, I'll just go with a (most likely discounted at that point) Ryzen 3900X.
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 Post subject: Re: Pimp my PC: The PC circlejerk thread
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:05 pm 


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Probably a wise choice on the B550. I've read nothing but problem about the X570, all of which pertain to heat. But,what do I know.... I thought evga hadn't manufactured a board in almost 15 years. :lol: :lol:
I presumed they called it quits after the chipset I mentioned (nforce 680sli) was marred with problems. anyways....

Regarding the Zen 3: I expect the 4300|4350 will be difficult to find if 3300X is any indication.


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 Post subject: Re: Pimp my PC: The PC circlejerk thread
PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:59 pm 



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AMD 5xxx news are out. Performance is higher than expected, prices are higher than expected. Date is November 5th. Intel has preemptively countered by announcing they're launching their next CPU lineup, another 14mm refresh in Q1 2021.

Still really undecided between 5900x or 5950x. I'm guessing sanity will prevail and I'll get the 5900x though, but unlike RTX 3080 vs 3090 here there's a noticeable performance difference.


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 Post subject: Re: Pimp my PC: The PC circlejerk thread
PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:31 pm 


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I'm actually going to be going with a 3900x and ideally start building tomorrow.

The 3900x is like $400 now, and comes with a free air cooler.

The 5900x is going to be $550, performs about 25% better in gaming *at most*, assuming 1080p (and I'm going to be using 1440p, and possibly even moving up to 4K later), and the fact they didn't mention an air cooler at all combined with their most recent CPU releases omitting the cooler makes me think AMD is not going to include an air cooler with the new chips. Yes, the one that comes with the 3900x isn't the best cooler, but it gets the job done, and I don't have plans to overclock.

edit: Listings have revealed that the new chips do not come with a cooler. So assuming I was going to pay $100 for a separate cooler, that brings the cost of the 5900x for me up to $650, so $250 higher than the 3900x.
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 Post subject: Re: Pimp my PC: The PC circlejerk thread
PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:25 pm 



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If you're so price-conscious you should probably wait a month to see if there's any 3900x deals around 5900x launch.
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The 5900x is going to be $550, performs about 25% better in gaming *at most*, assuming 1080p

No? At least not according to the only source we have:
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You'll get anything from 5% to 50%.

Not sure I would recommend a 12 core CPU strictly for gaming though.
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I'm actually going to be going with a 3900x and ideally start building tomorrow.edit: Listings have revealed that the new chips do not come with a cooler. So assuming I was going to pay $100 for a separate cooler, that brings the cost of the 5900x for me up to $650, so $250 higher than the 3900x.

The highest end air coolers don't cost 100$. Considering you're not going to overclock, paying 100$ for an air cooler is doing something seriously wrong. You can probably get away with a 50$ air cooler.


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 Post subject: Re: Pimp my PC: The PC circlejerk thread
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:58 pm 


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Well I went with the Ryzen 3900x and built my PC friday night. Took about 5 hours, and I was super cramped afterwards, but the result booted up on the first attempt, and passed 3dmark benchmarks and stress tests!

Cabling job was kind of bad though, so I opened up the PC last night to try and redo some of the cabling.

In the process I had to remove my graphics card, and I was thinking, "strange, this thing doesn't want to pull out. Well I guess I just have to pull harder!" Turns out I had forgotten about the retention clip on the PCIE slot (to be fair it was hidden underneath the bulk of the GPU), and when the graphics card finally came out it took the retention clip with it. Also I had forgotten to unplug the displayport cables because I'm a silly boy.

I reassembled the pc without the clip, ran benchmark tests, they came back fine, but then somebody in discord informed me that the clip is needed to properly secure the GPU (which would explain why it was suddenly so easy to remove the GPU), so I opened up the PC again, tried to pop the clip back in place, and surprisingly, it did. I pushed the graphics card in, this time with a confirming *click*, and tugged on it to make sure it didn't come out easily. Benchmarks came back fine, however I have yet to actually play a game following this.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:19 am 


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Holy shit guys, I just upgraded my GPU .. to a GTX 970.

I'm a little behind the curve at this point. :p


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:23 pm 


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Sonic 2 is free on Steam right now. The lovely Yukuza series is cheap as well. Yakuzu 0 is stunning on a PC
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 Post subject: Re: Pimp my PC: The PC circlejerk thread
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:32 pm 


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Aw crap! The PSU requirements for the 3000 series of GPUs are out of control.

I splashed out for a Seasonic fanless 700W PSU because I wanted something that would have longevity, and figured 700W was overkill for my needs.

Nope! The 3070 I've been waiting for wants 750W minimum with my i9 CPU, or I could face sudden system shutdowns.
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 Post subject: Re: Pimp my PC: The PC circlejerk thread
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:01 pm 



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Mischief Maker wrote:
Aw crap! The PSU requirements for the 3000 series of GPUs are out of control.

I splashed out for a Seasonic fanless 700W PSU because I wanted something that would have longevity, and figured 700W was overkill for my needs.

Nope! The 3070 I've been waiting for wants 750W minimum with my i9 CPU, or I could face sudden system shutdowns.

Huh? What 3070 are you planning on buying that needs 100W more than the reference design*? And why?

* And judging by what I've read about the RTX 3080, Nvidia's system requirements are very worst case, so you might not even need 650W for the reference design.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:15 pm 


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My mistake, this chart is from Asus, not Nvidia itself:

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I have an i9 CPU. However, I'm not overclocking it so there's that?
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 Post subject: Re: Pimp my PC: The PC circlejerk thread
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:14 pm 


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like zell said, that's worse case scenario. they often overstate the requirements because most people buy mid-range psu's. I'd be amazed if a top-tier, efficient PSU like a seasonic couldnt handle that.
3070 power draw is ~220w? There's a ~20% increase in consumption vs previous gen; pretty big.


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RDNA2 "details" are out now. RX 6900 XT looks tempting if Asus can't manufacture a RTX 3080 for me by December.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:13 am 


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ZellSF wrote:
RDNA2 "details" are out now. RX 6900 XT looks tempting if Asus can't manufacture a RTX 3080 for me by December.


Lots of hype today, but I doubt any of us plebs will be able buy anything that does 4k before next May. The power consumption might be a good thing; anything that pushes miner kids away is good.
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Interestingly enough, the RTX 3080 is a 350W card that lists 750W as the required PSU, while the RX 6900 XT is a 300W card that lists 850W as the required PSU.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:21 pm 


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ZellSF wrote:
Interestingly enough, the RTX 3080 is a 350W card that lists 750W as the required PSU, while the RX 6900 XT is a 300W card that lists 850W as the required PSU.


These days, I wait for third parties to test and benchmark just about everything. There's so much hype.

Of course, the power thing might be related to the way AMD is pushing overclocked numbers right out front.
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