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BryanM wrote: No seriously, is the double spacing after periods an east coast thing?
It's an age thing. For those of us that learned to type on computers but still had to turn reports in that were typed on a typewriter, it is hard to unlearn. It's also not that uncommon.
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GaijinPunch wrote:For those of us that learned to type on computers but still had to turn reports in that were typed on a typewriter, it is hard to unlearn.
Ah yeah, I forgot how out of date computers for public schools were. My highschool barely started getting computers around my junior year, and what they did get were 386's, at a time when Pentium 3's were at the top of the power curve. Like they were dug out of a garbage heap; but still gave us the awesome variable-width power of Notepad.

I do remember writing some game FAQs in DOSEdit, which was really nice for text as two dimensional space. (It made making charts _so_ much easier.) I think Notepad++ provides that same sort of functionality.

Mode 40 was also really cool for the DOS Prompt, made the text way bigger. Woulda been great for making games with less than 2000 characters displayed on the screen at a time. One of those obscure features just lost to time.
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BulletMagnet wrote:
system11 wrote:I wonder how much longer this has to continue before people stop defending this fucking insanity.
Pretty much nobody is, and once you're out of Marginal YouTuber territory all you see is unreserved condemnation if you bother to look. And I'm not sure what else you think should be happening...

...unless you happen to think that any such manner of mass protest ought to be opposed on account of their innate potential for nutcases (and/or saboteurs) to sneak in and turn things violent...which isn't an entirely unreasonable viewpoint on its face, especially in the midst of a pandemic, although I'd imagine that most of the folks who would subscribe to it have previously applauded similar displays, and particularly ones that involved a whole lot more firearms.
While at this point I think that yes, the protests should be opposed as they're little more than a vehicle for activist violence and intimidation... Here are just a few examples:

"Protests" - CNN have been a goldmine for stuff like this
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... hyron-as-/

Retweeted by an actual elected politician (just one of many, many bad takes from this one)
https://twitter.com/AyannaPressley/stat ... 0431224832

Astonishing display of selfishness, from a mayor who refused federal support
https://chicago.suntimes.com/city-hall/ ... gan-square

The best solution is to let them get away with it:
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/por ... l-justice/

Kamala continues her 180 shenanigans:
https://twitter.com/chiIIum/status/1299077701916073984

You can pluck these out of the air for days. Instead of saying the protests 'should not' let up, perhaps consider that it leads directly to this:

https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/26/moment-b ... -13181379/

So as I say, brownshirts. And nobody should be tolerating this, and that last link is particularly interesting because metro is a liberal outlet but it's not an American one. The only US ones I could see scanning Google are the usual right-bias suspects. The media are easily the worst part of all of this with their selective reporting and narrative. Then you have a WIDE variety of blue tickmarked imbeciles on Twitter calling all of this #trumpriots, like ... what? What the actual fuck are you smoking and more importantly why are tens of thousands of people supporting the narrative by liking/retweeting the obvious bullshit? Rather than call out the actual rioters, people like this (and many Democrats) instead shovel out preposterous conspiracy theories regarding this being a tactic to 'steal' another election. Pro-tip, you can't actually steal elections unless you falsify votes, something remarkably common with postal voting, which many Dems have been endorsing despite Fuaci saying it's unnecessary.

And yes the double space after full stop thing was drummed into me at school, I was told it was correct practise and that's what I did. On reflection it does make things easier to read even with proportional fonts as a single space often looks cramped, and it helps distinguish from visually similar commas.
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BryanM wrote: Ah yeah, I forgot how out of date computers for public schools were. My highschool barely started getting computers around my junior year, and what they did get were 386's, at a time when Pentium 3's were at the top of the power curve. Like they were dug out of a garbage heap; but still gave us the awesome variable-width power of Notepad.
I can't remember what computer I learned to type on but it was most definitely not DOS. Pretty sure I started in 1983. Screen was monochrome. 5.25" floppies. All that goodness. And YET, my public school in a middle class burb had them.
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GaijinPunch wrote:
BryanM wrote: Ah yeah, I forgot how out of date computers for public schools were. My highschool barely started getting computers around my junior year, and what they did get were 386's, at a time when Pentium 3's were at the top of the power curve. Like they were dug out of a garbage heap; but still gave us the awesome variable-width power of Notepad.
I can't remember what computer I learned to type on but it was most definitely not DOS. Pretty sure I started in 1983. Screen was monochrome. 5.25" floppies. All that goodness. And YET, my public school in a middle class burb had them.
Mine was definitely a BBC Micro running Interword, an option ROM based word processor.
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system11 wrote:So as I say, brownshirts. And nobody should be tolerating this, and that last link is particularly interesting because metro is a liberal outlet but it's not an American one. The only US ones I could see scanning Google are the usual right-bias suspects. The media are easily the worst part of all of this with their selective reporting and narrative.
And you decided to just accept and repeat it? You primary source, which brands itself as "The Right Opinion", happily runs such lies as "demonstrators attack Rand Paul" (a confrontation you may see for yourself).

As far as brownshirts go, demonizing protesters with Nazi metaphors might be fun, but there are more meaningful comparisons to make. I'll bet your schooling covered a certain colonial protest movement that destroyed private property, shot members of the armed forces, tarred & feathered Loyalists, and bullied fence-sitters into declaring a side.
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I'm taking another extended break from social media for the time being. But before I go I want to leave all the wrist-slitting doomers on this thread a little food for thought:

If we flip the Senate to the Democrats in November, annoying as they are, Bernie Sanders will become head of the Senate Budget Committee.
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Mischief Maker wrote:If we flip the Senate to the Democrats in November, annoying as they are, Bernie Sanders will become head of the Senate Budget Committee.
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With Bernie? Gonna be more like new Sweden.
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Mortificator wrote:
system11 wrote:So as I say, brownshirts. And nobody should be tolerating this, and that last link is particularly interesting because metro is a liberal outlet but it's not an American one. The only US ones I could see scanning Google are the usual right-bias suspects. The media are easily the worst part of all of this with their selective reporting and narrative.
And you decided to just accept and repeat it? You primary source, which brands itself as "The Right Opinion", happily runs such lies as "demonstrators attack Rand Paul" (a confrontation you may see for yourself).

As far as brownshirts go, demonizing protesters with Nazi metaphors might be fun, but there are more meaningful comparisons to make. I'll bet your schooling covered a certain colonial protest movement that destroyed private property, shot members of the armed forces, tarred & feathered Loyalists, and bullied fence-sitters into declaring a side.
Turns out I was mistaken, Metro does have a US arm and that's what the link was. And yes I chose to post it because it was less likely to get the typical "lol right wing media" throwaway rebuke. Here's a video of it happening, the fact that it happened is not really up for debate:

https://twitter.com/KunkleFredrick/stat ... 5079838720

The above is not protesting, please stop calling that, they are not protestors. Protestors protest, they do not harass people and demand compliance. This is political bullying and intimidation, and in todays world where those exact same people claim that words are violence, it is political violence by their own standards.
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Can we not do the nixonian propaganda stuff. It's not materialism, it's not new, it's not chilling during the apocalypse. Why the fuck are you wound up for? Trump is going to win, we're all going to die even if he loses, you're getting everything you want. Who is so ungracious to be butthurt over winning all the fuckin' time? Shit.

You've been in power for 200 years now. Feudalism was for much longer. Be chill in the chilling thread of chilliness.

Gloat a little, for christ's sake. You win, you're supposed to gloat not be a sore winner. Dang srsly. -I- get a little happy when 0.2% of the corporate ghouls lose a primary which ultimately means nothing in the short term, and I'm a misanthropic asshole.
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CIT wrote:With Bernie? Gonna be more like new Sweden.
Sure. :roll:
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They're doing the same thing they did last time, lying about the polls again. Raw data says ~60% Biden, the historical error margin says Trump has the edge slightly.

Obviously the no toss up map in August is only a fantasy - if you think Trump hasn't already won Ohio, you're probably wrong.
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system11 wrote:While at this point I think that yes, the protests should be opposed as they're little more than a vehicle for activist violence and intimidation...
I can't speak for the UK as I don't know either how its corresponding laws work or what public opinion generally might be of them, but across the pond a position like that, no matter how indignantly some strive to deny it, takes things into extremely fraught territory.

To wit, every time some nutjob legally acquires a semi-automatic rifle, modifies it into a full-auto in less than a half hour and uses it to indiscriminately murder a bunch of people, the same cadre of talking heads - every last one of them a self-proclaimed "law and order" stalwart - solemnly proclaims that as much of a tragedy as it is, the Second Amendment is what it is, and this is the price we all must pay to live in a free country.

As it happens, the right to peaceful assembly is just as enshrined in the law as the right to bear arms (far more deeply enshrined, I'd argue, since the Supreme Court's current interpretation of the Second Amendment is only a dozen years old and the direct result of multiple decades-long NRA campaigns, but that's another topic which long ago went to the dogs :lol:), so if you think even peaceful protests should be limited or stopped altogether due to the risk of bad actors turning them violent, then logic dictates you should also support restrictions or bans on law-abiding gun owners to prevent lawless and/or unhinged ones from misusing them.

Let me tell you, there are few more entertaining internet pastimes than watching folks twist themselves into physics-defying pretzels attempting to dance around this fact. :lol:
Rather than call out the actual rioters, people like this (and many Democrats) instead shovel out preposterous conspiracy theories regarding this being a tactic to 'steal' another election.
It is possible to condemn rioting and looting (as I said in my previous post, the vast, vast majority of figures on [what passes for] the left have been consistently doing this for months) while also calling out the Trump administration for exploiting them for their own gain; they haven't exactly been subtle about it. Claiming that the administration is encouraging or causing the violence is a trickier case to make, but the frequency with which their camp has lamented that their opponents are supposedly "hoping Covid gets worse because it hurts him" and other such pearl-clutching accusations leaves the door wide open for less-grandiose complaints.

(Off to the side: how quickly, and conveniently, we forget. And top it off with a Presidential Medal of Freedom. :roll:)
Pro-tip, you can't actually steal elections unless you falsify votes, something remarkably common with postal voting, which many Dems have been endorsing despite Fuaci saying it's unnecessary.
First off, all available evidence says that vote-by-mail fraud in the USA is exceedingly rare. In-person voter fraud is even rarer, mind you, but that hasn't stopped the American right from ringing its alarm bells for years and making it harder to vote that way too.

Which segues nicely into my second point, namely that you can also steal an election by suppressing inconvenient votes, and neither Trump nor his party have been the least bit subtle about that either, for a very long time. (Though it's also a trip to present this situation to the Second Amendment absolutists and watch them try to explain how theoretical, nonexistent assaults on gun ownership must continue to take constant precedence over actual, open, and ongoing assaults on voting rights, just as the Founding Fathers intended. :lol:)

By the way, a quick Google search reveals that your assertion that Doc Fauci claims mail-in voting is unnecessary stops halfway through what he actually said.
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BryanM wrote:Can we not do the nixonian propaganda stuff. It's not materialism, it's not new, it's not chilling during the apocalypse. Why the fuck are you wound up for? Trump is going to win, we're all going to die even if he loses, you're getting everything you want. Who is so ungracious to be butthurt over winning all the fuckin' time? Shit.

You've been in power for 200 years now. Feudalism was for much longer. Be chill in the chilling thread of chilliness.

Gloat a little, for christ's sake. You win, you're supposed to gloat not be a sore winner. Dang srsly. -I- get a little happy when 0.2% of the corporate ghouls lose a primary which ultimately means nothing in the short term, and I'm a misanthropic asshole.
Both the ''you're-not-chill defence'' and the ''Southpark's chinese-man-complimenting-their-rivals-dong'' limit breaks in the same turn.

That's serious offence...

You're not allowed 2 limit breaks in the same turn
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Given that there is absolutely no way to vote against right wing policy and no other possible way to make any kind of change to anything--whatsoever--it really doesn't matter how BryanM chooses to cope. :)

He's correct. If you love libertarian "I got mine, f*ck you" politics, you are winning and you should celebrate.

If you're a American Republican upset about the shootings and you support a saturated gun market, you're an idiot. This is the free market at work. You chose this, shut up. If you believe you can saturate the nation with guns and not have people impulsively popping guns, you're thick. It's not difficult math.

And, of course, I hope a gloating GOP types really are wealthy and aren't sad cases of biscuits voting for Christmas.

I see we are suspending payday incremental tax deductions for low income people, but we aren't waiving the tax. Clever strategy. Now, plenty of reckless morons will believe they are drowning in the evil taxes from the big gubment, because they will get hit with an unexpected large bill on tax day. I would scold Trump for treating people like they are stupid, but he might be right about that. Although, given the chances that most people will eventually draw Social Security, the term "tax" (for that particular payment) is somewhat inaccurate.
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It makes no sense to say ''because capitalizum is here to stay, one is not allowed to be critical of people destroying private property'' (which includes mom & pop stores and residences).

That's a fallacy.
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FinalBaton wrote:It makes no sense to say ''because capitalizum is here to stay, one is not allowed to be critical of people destroying private property'' (which includes mom & pop stores and residences).

That's a fallacy.
In other news, water is wet. :)

Very few people support opportunistic assholes smashing shit and stealing stuff. I don't. We can ask BryanM directly what he thinks. Unfortunately, it only takes one asshat to ruin it for everyone. Then again, making guns easily available increases the chances that the impulsive/ignorant asshats will have a gun.

Conservatives are clinging to a few outliers and using it as a blanket smear. I can do the same thing and call every Trumper libertarian an OKC bomber. :) See how that works? Timmy's politics are (well.. were) identical to the average Trumper. Absolutely identical. :)

The cancel culture thing keeps coming up, but it crosses party lines. That's technology amplifying human nature. I think I've already mentioned what I think of human nature in general.

Speaking of human nature, the opportunistic and nasty side comes out when there's no transparency or fear of consequences. So, that's not new, either.
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orange808 wrote:In other news, water is wet. :)

Very few people support opportunistic assholes smashing shit and stealing stuff. I don't. We can ask BryanM directly what he thinks. Unfortunately, it only takes one asshat to ruin it for everyone. Then again, making guns easily available increases the chances that the impulsive/ignorant asshats will have a gun.

Conservatives are clinging to a few outliers and using it as a blanket smear. I can do the same thing and call every Trumper libertarian an OKC bomber. :) See how that works? Timmy's politics are (well.. were) identical to the average Trumper. Absolutely identical. :)

The cancel culture thing keeps coming up, but it crosses party lines. That's technology amplifying human nature. I think I've already mentioned what I think of human nature in general.

Speaking of human nature, the opportunistic and nasty side comes out when there's no transparency or fear of consequences. So, that's not new, either.
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BryanM wrote: So which planet is stealing our oil, Empatic?
Planet Socialism invaded Venezuela. Who is Empatic?
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iirc their dependence on a single resource combined with brutal economic warfare from planet america had something to do with it too
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Hi guys, just wanted to drop in and say that a member of the Kennedy dynasty was just defeated in Massachusetts by the coauthor of the Green New Deal, despite Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Establishment throwing all their weight behind Kennedy.

Another win for the good guys!

Forum lefties, you may resume gnashing your teeth and rending your garments.
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Mischief Maker wrote: Forum lefties, you may resume gnashing your teeth and rending your garments.
Are people doing this?
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BulletMagnet wrote:
system11 wrote:While at this point I think that yes, the protests should be opposed as they're little more than a vehicle for activist violence and intimidation...
I can't speak for the UK as I don't know either how its corresponding laws work or what public opinion generally might be of them, but across the pond a position like that, no matter how indignantly some strive to deny it, takes things into extremely fraught territory.

To wit, every time some nutjob legally acquires a semi-automatic rifle, modifies it into a full-auto in less than a half hour and uses it to indiscriminately murder a bunch of people, the same cadre of talking heads - every last one of them a self-proclaimed "law and order" stalwart - solemnly proclaims that as much of a tragedy as it is, the Second Amendment is what it is, and this is the price we all must pay to live in a free country.

As it happens, the right to peaceful assembly is just as enshrined in the law as the right to bear arms (far more deeply enshrined, I'd argue, since the Supreme Court's current interpretation of the Second Amendment is only a dozen years old and the direct result of multiple decades-long NRA campaigns, but that's another topic which long ago went to the dogs :lol:), so if you think even peaceful protests should be limited or stopped altogether due to the risk of bad actors turning them violent, then logic dictates you should also support restrictions or bans on law-abiding gun owners to prevent lawless and/or unhinged ones from misusing them.
I didn't say prevent, I said opposed. There have been peaceful protests that should have been called out or not supported by authorities - I think a good example is the lunatic 'blocking a freeway at night' where someone died. Last I checked, standing on freeways blocking them is a crime and they shouldn't have expected the police to close the entrances. On paper the 'Chaz' was a peaceful protest, mostly, but despite it being a blight on the people who actually lived and ran businesses there, it took a very long time for anything to be done about it. The outright endorsement and even joining them in some cases (mostly for optics) makes it worse, but the real failure is a reluctance to tell the truth about the excesses. The videos of residents being harassed outside their homes and particularly the one where someone sitting outside a cafe is being harassed by a group of useful idiots are incredibly worrying. Part cult and part radical politics, mixed with a dash of truly believing you're doing good and everyone else is by definition, evil. People seem scared (and I don't blame them) to say "stop this, it's wrong".

I mean, it's fairly easy to categorise this, the following actions render a protest non-peaceful:
Vandalism.
Harassment of people not part of the protest.
Setting fire to things and hurling objects from behind a human shield of useful idiots.
Shining laser pointers into peoples eyes - this causes blindness.
Looting.

The image of a CNN reporter describing mostly peaceful protests while a building blazes away behind them is a testament to the stupidity of not calling something what it is.

As for the UK it's not been anywhere near as bad here although the cultural revisionists are out in full force, a rather different problem. The UK has no right to protest at the moment, any gathering of more than 30 people "may" be deemed unlawful under "temporary" Corona rules - but it's being selectively applied. At the recent Extinction Rebellion ones people are being arrested for disruption, they're quite highly strung but essentially non violent towards people.
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system11 wrote: I mean, it's fairly easy to categorise this, the following actions render a protest non-peaceful:
Vandalism.
Harassment of people not part of the protest.
Setting fire to things and hurling objects from behind a human shield of useful idiots.
Shining laser pointers into peoples eyes - this causes blindness.
Looting.
I agree completely.

But, almost every large gathering will attract asshats that do those things--regardless of political affiliation--because people are ghastly and terrible.

In fact, it doesn't even have to be a mob. Like the murdered children that were buried under the OKC building for right wing freedumb! :) (This game is easy to play.)

I'm pretty sure you don't want to play a disingenuous game where we pretend the vagueries of mankind has a concrete political affiliation.
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system11 wrote:I didn't say prevent, I said opposed.
Correct me if I'm missing something, but it seems you want people to speak out against the demonstrations when they get out of control...which, again, with very few exceptions, pretty much everyone is already doing, and has been since the beginning. I'm not sure what else you're expecting, if you say the protests shouldn't be outright prevented from happening; I suppose if you want to suggest that someone or other needs to be more forceful about it, or call out particular behaviors more often, or whatever, go ahead, there's always something more that can be done.

That said, if I may refer to your original post on the subject, you asserted that an overly-acquiescent left was "encouraging" bad behavior on the part of the protestors; especially when it's considered beyond the pale to accuse countless right-wing figures of fanning the flames by both mobilizing and lionizing armed vigilantes in no uncertain terms (and I would absolutely love to hear someone argue that those make things better instead of catastrophically worse) you might want to revisit your starting point for that particular claim.
People seem scared (and I don't blame them) to say "stop this, it's wrong".
I don't know, at least from where I'm sitting I'm seeing plenty of highly vocal opposition to any and all portions of the demonstrations, violent and non, from both high-profile figures and regular folks, some criticism more plausible than others; frankly I doubt you'll find too many people who won't share their opinion on the whole mess if you ask them (or even if you don't). Seriously, has this particular instance suddenly frightened all that many people into silence, when nothing else has even come close to meekly shutting us up (at least here in the USA, again, I can't speak for Britain) for the entirety of our history? I don't think I've seen people of all stripes more opinionated, and vocal about it, than I've seen them during the "cancel culture" era.
The image of a CNN reporter describing mostly peaceful protests while a building blazes away behind them is a testament to the stupidity of not calling something what it is.
To the best of my knowledge, that's an accurate summation of the overall situation pretty much wherever you look; protests almost always start out non-violent and mostly stay that way until after the majority of the crowd has gone home and the wrecking crew moves in (and, for some reason, while we always see cops hauling away demonstrators during daylight hours, I don't think I've ever managed to catch footage of them taking a looter/arsonist off the streets for some reason). The backdrop of that particular shot makes for an easy laugh line, and yeah, some demonstrations have turned out considerably worse than others, but everything I've seen suggests that as far as the "big picture" goes that blurb is, at the very least, not far off base - this report estimates that 93 percent of the protests since George Floyd's death have been peaceful.

Speaking of easy laugh lines...
At the recent Extinction Rebellion ones people are being arrested for disruption, they're quite highly strung but essentially non violent towards people.
I'm not familiar with the event you mention and haven't looked it up, though I can't help but take more notice than I probably should of the "essentially" disclaimer, heh.
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BulletMagnet wrote: Correct me if I'm missing something, but it seems you want people to speak out against the demonstrations when they get out of control...which, again, with very few exceptions, pretty much everyone is already doing, and has been since the beginning.
A livestreamer asking protesters to flip over a truck is probably the most amusing example of this
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Durandal wrote:A livestreamer asking protesters to flip over a truck is probably the most amusing example of this
I'll quote myself from two whole posts ago:
once you're out of Marginal YouTuber territory all you see is unreserved condemnation if you bother to look.
I'd love to see what the equivalent rhetoric is like over at The Blaze or 8chan...and to be able to wag my tongue at even moderates and centrists that they're deliberately fueling it by not condemning it enough.
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BIL wrote: What the fuck, that's Tyrone Biggums Image
:lol: :D
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