Go see The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters

[Udderdude]

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/05/ ... -to-court/

How high can your legal fees get? Birry 'bout to unleash the LAW over here. The anti-SLAPP stature is mentioned as well. I would be surprised if this wasn't thrown out of court.

Honestly, this is exactly the kind of ridiculous entertainment we need in these trying times. Thanks so much, Mr. Mitchell.

[GaijinPunch]

People dying all over the world and this dick head is worried that someone called him a cheater in a 40 year old video game. Reminds me of the group of protesters in Tokyo I took photos of some few months after the 2011 tsunami and right smack in the middle of the Fukushima meltdown scare. They were bitching at one of the TV stations for playing too many Korean dramas.

[BrianC]

Part of me was hoping he would fall off that giant model of the AC DK.

[orange808]

People dying all over the world and this dick head is worried that someone called him a cheater in a 40 year old video game. Reminds me of the group of protesters in Tokyo I took photos of some few months after the 2011 tsunami and right smack in the middle of the Fukushima meltdown scare. They were bitching at one of the TV stations for playing too many Korean dramas.

People are dying all over the world and you're worrying about him worrying about a video game. You're probably playing video games while people are dying all over the world.

I am skeptical of his scores, but your "people are dying all over the world" bit is bonkers.

People are always dying all over the world. If he wants to make his case, let him.

[GaijinPunch]

People are dying all over the world and you're worrying about him worrying about a video game. You're probably playing video games while people are dying all over the world.

"Guess what dip shit?"
-CIT

...I haven't played a video game in like 3 years. And it was Super Mario Galaxy.

[orange808]

People are dying all over the world and you're worrying about him worrying about a video game. You're probably playing video games while people are dying all over the world.

"Guess what dip shit?"
-CIT

...I haven't played a video game in like 3 years. And it was Super Mario Galaxy.

People are dying all over the world and you aren't even playing video games.

We just can just park that in front of anything, can't we?

The fact that people die has nothing to do with anything...

I'd return the favor and call you the same name, but I suppose I'd meet the banhammer. Ma post counts isn't high enuff to ignorz the rulez. I mean, people are dying all over the world and I can't return the favor.

[XtraSmiley]

I mean, people are dying all over the world and I can't return the favor.

Master Stroke.

Or I should say, people are dying all over the world and you made me spit my drink out all over my laptop made by Chinese children, who are probably also dead!

[Stevens]

Or I should say, people are dying all over the world and you made me spit my drink out all over my laptop made by Chinese children, who are probably also dead!

This is wrong on so many levels, you should be ashamed of yourself.


























































I laughed.

[orange808]

https://vimeo.com/16473745
2:27

[GaijinPunch]

People are dying all over the world and you aren't even playing video games.

I know it's a forum but not being able to expand on that in your head is pretty sad. The world is almost at a standstill whether you agree with it or not. Nobody fucking cares about a nerd with a bad haricut whose trapped in the 80s.

[XtraSmiley]

People are dying all over the world and you aren't even playing video games.

I know it's a forum but not being able to expand on that in your head is pretty sad. The world is almost at a standstill whether you agree with it or not. Nobody fucking cares about a nerd with a bad haricut whose trapped in the 80s.

Dude, his lawsuit started months ago, before COVID, relax.

I think he's probably a cheater and took those top scores away from others (and any fame or monetary gain from that), but if he isn't (a cheater) then his character can be argued was damaged and he could also have lost monetary gain. That is clearly a good reason to go to court to settle.

People are always suffering around the world, it's just now probably affecting you so you are sensitive to it, I get it, but really, take a deep breath and try not to worry about a lawsuit that likely will have zero effect on your life.

[BrianC]

There was solid proof of him cheating and suddenly he "probably" cheated?

[GaijinPunch]

People are dying all over the world and you aren't even playing video games.

I know it's a forum but not being able to expand on that in your head is pretty sad. The world is almost at a standstill whether you agree with it or not. Nobody fucking cares about a nerd with a bad haricut whose trapped in the 80s.

Dude, his lawsuit started months ago, before COVID, relax.

I think he's probably a cheater and took those top scores away from others (and any fame or monetary gain from that), but if he isn't (a cheater) then his character can be argued was damaged and he could also have lost monetary gain. That is clearly a good reason to go to court to settle.

People are always suffering around the world, it's just now probably affecting you so you are sensitive to it, I get it, but really, take a deep breath and try not to worry about a lawsuit that likely will have zero effect on your life.

The current situation is childsplay to me. I lined up for food assuming a nuclear cloud was going to render my home inhabitable once. The worst case scenario of this won't be that. I'm just saying... take coronavirus away... its still a bit ridiculous. Not sure I'd be comfortable even telling someone I know that I follow a story where a guy is suing a high score keeping website b/c they say he cheated. I mean... I'm not even getting an ice cream out of it.

[BryanM]

That's not even the worst part about this story. The worst part is this is something that happened sixteen years ago. And this dancing clown is still trying to hoover up people's attention, and we're still giving it to him.

I'm still vaguely hoping he falls into a vat of toxic waste and turns into a superhero or something. That's the only way this could possibly be worth it.

[XtraSmiley]

There was solid proof of him cheating and suddenly he "probably" cheated?

That's what people on the internet say, but for me that's not 100%, but it's probably, sorry I'm not a Donkey Kong or MAME expert enough to say he's guilty without a doubt.

The current situation is childsplay to me. I lined up for food assuming a nuclear cloud was going to render my home inhabitable once. The worst case scenario of this won't be that. I'm just saying... take coronavirus away... its still a bit ridiculous. Not sure I'd be comfortable even telling someone I know that I follow a story where a guy is suing a high score keeping website b/c they say he cheated. I mean... I'm not even getting an ice cream out of it.

Damn, that's actually horrible, sorry to hear it. Yes, with or without COVID happening, I think it's just video games, which I love and is a big part of my life, but I personally just don't take that serious. I also haven't been in a movie, nor do I make income based on playing. If I did either or both of those things, I think it would mean a lot more to me, especially if I had a family and my income was important to support them.

I personally think Billy is very entertaining, as a champion, as a cheater, as a villain. He's fun to watch and in person, I've heard he's a nice guy. If he did steal high scores away from others, he should be labeled a cheater and lose his lawsuit, but that won't mean he's not entertaining.

[BIL]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK, Birry's DK score was not itself challenged by Twin Galaxies. What was claimed is that he achieved it on an illegal platform, ie MAME, ie BIRRY GOT FINGERED:



Ergo, he circumvented Twin Galaxies regulations (original, unmodified DONKEY DONG pcb ONRY). Ergo, he cheated. The legitimacy of his performance is irrelevant. It could've been the freshest, cleanest, most heartful round of HONKEY COCK ever played on God's green earth, and he'd still be in contravention of THA RULES.

The subsequent fist-fucking of Birry by Guinness would seem to be a direct consequence of his being forensically proven a "cheater." Fruit of teh poison tree after a fashion, etc etc. Hard cheese Birry, one bad fuck spoils the whole batch.

Again I may be wrong, I am a simple rubbernecker. I'm interested to see where this goes, jurisprudentially, like! Will the judge know his asshole from his elbow, WRT emulation VS tha real shit, or will he prove a total boomer cuck and say "MAME BE PURFECT, WHAT THE DIFF LMAO" like some shit-eating noob posting 1337 Omega Fighter Special scores circa 2007?

Might expert counsel be called? HOLY FUCK that could get hilarious if it's for Billy's side. "You see, m'lud, my client has a SOOPER RARE Mexican variant of the MONKEY CUM pcb, incidentally the same which was dumped for the MAIM project." "Oho, yes yes, I see that now, harrumph. BIRRY, you are in the view of this court not a gaping cunt, and will get all the monies AND your 1337 scores reinstated." *bang*

Either way this is gonna be some good TV.

[Udderdude]

Got my WR on a prototype PCB I found in a dumpster behind Nintendo HQ. For reals, bro. Ya gotta believe me.

[orange808]

I don't understand why we always need a kilo of flesh.

Cancelling people takes away the chance for redemption. A one year ban would have been more than enough to send a message. That's where we went too far.

If he can get a validated high score on a real PCB, put him on the leaderboard.

[Udderdude]

I don't think it's fair to the judges to have to constantly second guess a player's legitimacy. Once that trust is broken, it's hard to go back.

[orange808]

I don't think it's fair to the judges to have to constantly second guess a player's legitimacy. Once that trust is broken, it's hard to go back.

Lots of things are hard. Big deal. Maybe Twin Galaxies isn't up to the task and we need someone better equipped to handle the job. Although, this really doesn't fall on the judges. Billy has to make an effort to convince people he's legit.

I don't believe his scores are legit personally, but I also don't believe in cancel culture.

The burden of proof on a new score would fall to Billy. He would have to spend the time and money to convince everyone. I'm not suggesting allowing the guy to just start throwing up scores with videos again. He would obviously need to play the game in public.

Can he do it? Maybe not, but leaving the door open is the right thing to do.

If he wanted to, Billy could play a game or two on a genuine PCB with an audience. It's manageable.

[BIL]

IIRC, he was doing just that (live performances) on his redemption tour a while back. I need to reacquaint myself, but I don't think he managed the score in question.

I'd be slightly more sympathetic:

1) If he acknowledged the 1.047mil tape showed a MAME capture. Yet again it's been a while, but I read that unholy monster of a TG thread from start to finish a couple years back, and was convinced the infamous "girder finger" is a MAME artifact impossible to replicate on DK hardware. Those Donkey Dong motherfuckers demonstrated some commendable, utterly weapons-grade autistic fixation in their research I cannot help but resonate with!

He is obviously a capable player - I'm not convinced he cheated for the score, again the salient point is that he broke regulations - but his inability to either own up to or explain this is impossible to ignore.

2) If he wasn't trying to assrape internet commentator Apollo Legend for a cool million, and TG/DK Forums for more. Holy cancel culture, Batman!

Given his unlovely combo of ignoring evidence and attempting to silence his accusers, as far as I am concerned, Billy can go bounce on a big hard willy. I'll ROFLMAO (or perhaps say OH WELLZ) at the incoming courtroom drama.

omnomnomnom

He should concentrate on selling hot sauce. He's supposed to be really good at it!

The total nuking of all his records (fuck my life, I can't even recall whether TG, Guinness or both did this) does seem overkill, assuming at least a few were provably on real hardware. Did they whack his 80s, pre-emulator stuff? Oh man, I'm drifting off here. Give Birry his old scores back, IDGAF on that account.

[Udderdude]

Pretty sure they deleted fucking everything. Including anything pre-emulation.



Birry looks mad that nobody is buying his hotsauce anymore.

[XtraSmiley]

Pretty sure they deleted fucking everything. Including anything pre-emulation.



Birry looks mad that nobody is buying his hotsauce anymore.

Well, if you cheat at one game, who knows what/how you cheated before.

I agree with let him prove it in public.

[CStarFlare]

1) If he acknowledged the 1.047mil tape showed a MAME capture. Yet again it's been a while, but I read that unholy monster of a TG thread from start to finish a couple years back, and was convinced the infamous "girder finger" is a MAME artifact impossible to replicate on DK hardware. Those Donkey Dong motherfuckers demonstrated some commendable, utterly weapons-grade autistic fixation in their research I cannot help but resonate with!

He is obviously a capable player - I'm not convinced he cheated for the score, again the salient point is that he broke regulations - but his inability to either own up to or explain this is impossible to ignore.

I renew my interest in this every time Billy manages to resurrect the drama but haven't gone too deep into it. Is there a reason why Billy (who presumably has access to a legit PCB setup) would begin using MAME for WR runs other than that it gives him some sort of edge? I agree that he's obviously a top-tier player, and that using MAME isn't necessarily a sign that one cheated to get the score (he could have merely cheated in getting it accepted in a category it doesn't belong in). But what are the possible reasons for taking on the risk of using MAME if not an advantage of some sort? Faster restarts after a failed run?

[BIL]

But what are the possible reasons for taking on the risk of using MAME if not an advantage of some sort? Faster restarts after a failed run?

This dates back to his rivalry with Steve Wiebe, as depicted in the King of Kong documentary. The videotaped 1.047m run was Billy's surprise comeback after Wiebe bested his record, live on real DK hardware:

Wiebe travels to a tournament at Funspot in Laconia, New Hampshire, to attempt a live high score for high-ranking Twin Galaxies members. Wiebe challenges Mitchell to a Donkey Kong competition, but Mitchell does not attend. Before a crowd, Wiebe sets a new high score of 985,600 and reaches the kill screen, ending the game. However, contrary to his statements that videotaped scores carry less validity than scores achieved in public, Mitchell sends a VHS to Funspot depicting himself achieving a higher score of 1,047,200 points. Twin Galaxies proclaims Mitchell the record holder, despite some skepticism about the video's authenticity.

So naturally, with the tape being outed as MAME footage, the suspicion is that typical emulator shenanigans (saves, slowdown, etc) may have been employed to expedite Billy's "comeback." The most benign explanation would ofc be that Billy wasn't near a DK PCB, or the means to capture from one.

Either way, I don't think he's addressed the matter, beyond casting aspersions on one Dwayne Richards. This is an interesting, perhaps defamatory angle mentioned in Apollo Legend's recent video. Richards is claiming Billy forged an email, purportedly catching Richards cooking up a MAME DK run with a mysterious ASIAN TECH GUY - presumably to discredit Billy's TOTES LEGIT 1.047m footage. Richards is apparently going to subpoena Google to prove the email was forged.

With Apollo's counter-suit already crowdfunded, this could get very interesting (read: even worse) for Birry!

File photo of the infamous ASIAN TECH GUY

Spoiler

[brokenhalo]

But what are the possible reasons for taking on the risk of using MAME if not an advantage of some sort? Faster restarts after a failed run?

Save stating to get better scores than normal gameplay would give, and to keep easily regaining the record when someone else takes it. There was a whole analysis done on one of his runs showing that the scoring rng he would get was just totally impossible during a real game. And there was a WR he turned in where, after beating the previous WR, he just stopped playing and let the game kill him on purpose instead of pushing the score higher. Seems like a really strange thing to do after playing a game for multiple hours to set a high score, but makes more sense if he can just start over again and easily savestate up an even higher score.

[BIL]

Interesting... I recall the RNG analysis now. Those were some impressive threads, devoured 'em largely while sitting in church a couple summers ago at my buddy's wedding. Actually, I'm pretty sure some of my posts ITT were made at the same time.

For reference (can't recall if this thread had any links to DKF)

Assuming he really did

1) use MAME to shut out hardware competitors, then

2) frame Dwayne Richards, alleging he swapped PCB captures with MAME ones, and then

3) forge an email purporting to show this (as Richards alleges)

then Birry truly is one nasty little hot sauce merchant. Smearing the innocent to hide your own dishonesty transcends KoK's sportsball comedy, curdling into true cuntery. If this is what really happened, my resurrected schadenboner just gained a couple inches.

The proposed Google subpoena has become the most interesting aspect of this case, imo.



Not to evoke boomer/zoomer fuckery, but if the scenario above is true, it has a certain elderly naivete to it. "I'll use my newfangled emulation machine to keep the top spot forever! They'll never suspect a thing! Bwaaahahaha - wait, what? Oh FUUUUUU-"

Reminds me of close Birry associate Todd Rogers' folksy "human element" non-defense when his imaginary Dragster WR got BTFOd.

[BryanM]

It was blatant day one, as was said itt. As long as the leadership of Twin Galaxies was in cahoots with him, it didn't really even matter if there were a videotape or not. I'm rather proud of him to bother with the forgery, that had to have taken a whole afternoon.

[Udderdude]

The lawlsuits just keep on coming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmqZUrar4Io

[CIT]

I heard Bimmy is working on a Sengoku Blade 2-ALL in order to get his DK score reinstated.