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kitten wrote:
Steamflogger Boss wrote:The Mike Matei thing came up on another forum and things got hog wild.
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kitten wrote:
Steamflogger Boss wrote:The Mike Matei thing came up on another forum and things got hog wild.
do tell
Well it was a big boost in activity to a thread that has been slowing down a bit lately. The guy that posted about it first is a huge SJW and was offended by Matei's comment so there is that. Also to clarify I consider that guy a friend, but we definitely disagree on this.

Then there was just a big conversation about what is and isn't cheating with walls of text. My hottest take was that looking up puzzle solutions is cheating. There was someone else that thinks glitches/exploits are cheating.
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Steamflogger Boss wrote:was that looking up puzzle solutions is cheating.
This reminds me: I was playing through an untranslated JRPG with the help of a guide, and at a couple mandatory word puzzles, the guide would not actually translate the puzzle and give you the chance to solve it. Didn't even make an attempt to explain what the puzzle was. Just "do this to proceed" answer giving.

A good translation guide gives you the chance to try and guess at the solution or at least translates the damn puzzle, not just the dialogue.
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If you do a good enough job of the fisting the extra boost to your brain activity might allow you to think of the answer yourself just in time!

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Steamflogger Boss wrote:Well it was a big boost in activity to a thread that has been slowing down a bit lately. The guy that posted about it first is a huge SJW and was offended by Matei's comment so there is that. Also to clarify I consider that guy a friend, but we definitely disagree on this.

Then there was just a big conversation about what is and isn't cheating with walls of text. My hottest take was that looking up puzzle solutions is cheating. There was someone else that thinks glitches/exploits are cheating.
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there's probably something to debate over what is and isn't cheating, but i feel - very, very strongly - that a rewind feature is absolutely, unmistakably, inarguably cheating and that people suggesting anything else are out of their goddamn minds. imagine claiming you're the fastest speedrunner for a game because of a TAS, that you're the best chess player because you can replay moves until the opponent makes mistakes, the best football player because you can re-attempt passes, so on and so forth.

it amuses/infuriates me greatly that you preface this with "the guy [...] is a huge sjw" and i know exactly what you're talking about and agree with you. been over this a dozen times on here, but that the social justice sphere believes this is an "accessibility" argument at worst or an elitism argument at best is just one of the dumbest fucking things. if you cheated, you cheated - using tools the game was not designed with is cheating. people claim those calling cheating for what it is are the insecure ones (and people like mike matei certainly lend credence to their accusations lol), but it is absolutely, 100% the fucking opposite. the people who want to claim these victories without getting them are the ones insecure that they're denied fucking anything. the recreational entertainment owes them the victory. it's not "elitist" to suggest that to be qualified to talk authoritatively about something, it's important to have experienced it on its terms. there is no field on earth where there's no expectation of a frame of reference, yet these people act as if transparency about their experience and skill level is some sort of infringement on them as a person.

to say you did something, yes, you have to have done that something. you don't order a meal from a fancy restaurant and tell people you made it because you "could have bought, prepared, and assembled the ingredients with exactly as much professionalism and cooking insight with enough time" or any of the countless other comparisons. imagine taking this mentality elsewhere! - e.g. "modern microwave meals give me the same fucking nutrition as real food and respect that i'm an adult with things to do other than spend my precious time laboring over nothing. meal preparation is archaic and a waste of time - and there's too high a barrier of entry with having to restart from the fucking beginning if i mess up. there was this pompous ass at a dinner party i was at last night that said they "worked hard" on their presentation. lol bitch please, we're both just eating food, get off your damn high horse, i can use an oven, too. next they implied some ableist bullshit like that i didn't have a sophisticated palette by telling me their curry was an "acquired taste" - lol i've eaten mcdonald's spicy chicken, pretty damn sure i know how good hot food tastes as well they do. huge elitist vibe the entire time i was there, got wicked side-eye from these snobs when i said i'd made the same thing from wal-mart and probably had more fun. not my fault they're wasting their lives while my generation skips the suffering."

the thing that really gets me is that it's incredibly rare that the ELITIST GAMER SNOB actually suggests to them how to enjoy themselves, just that cheating is cheating or things like that it's important to say what difficulty you played a modern game on. beating something requires playing by its rules. you can enjoy it all you want - and, hell, sure, maybe genuinely have a better experience than me - by using cheats, but if toxic insecurity lies anywhere, it is with the person obsessed with the validation of victory enough that they will claim it without declaring the caveat of their dubious method. if they were satisfied, would that not be enough? why the craving of peer approval? why the discourse over what qualifies as this or that? why the claims they're just as qualified to review a game they can't beat as someone who can? if you had fun, who is taking that away from you over the quality of having "beat" something or not? these people want the glory, or, at bare minimum, have a thirst for the acknowledgement. they want in the perceived club and perpetuate the rarely-corporeal phantom of its existence by their own concern that something exists they might not be allowed in.
sry steamflogger, i wound up doing a wall of text, too lol :[ gosh i feel like a gaming granny with how riled up this shit gets me, but you have no idea how shitty it is being deep on the inside of the sjw sphere for so long and dealing with seeing that shit allllllll theeeee tiiiiiime
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Haha it's all good. My post in that convo is one of the longest I've typed in a minute. I had GIFs for dramatic effect BIL style too.

In our discussion we used rewind and save states fairly interchangeably. Which I think is fine, they are basically the same thing. Rewinding is maybe just slightly faster to achieve the same purpose unless you are hot keying on a PC. Just wanted to mention that here.

Completely agree with you, this is something that has been taken too far. I by no means consider myself right leaning and I firmly believe in HUMAN RIGHTS FOR EVERYONE WHICH MEANS ACTUAL EVERYONE TRANS, GAY, BI w/e But man, the SJW types saying all games need to be playable by everyone, that's a bunch of bullshit. When has every piece of media been made for everyone? It's okay if games are difficult. It's okay if movies are hard to understand/abstract. JFC. And you are exactly right, I suffixed my entire point "I think glitches and exploits are 1000% within the rules. Continues are also fine. 1CCs are distinguished. Also to be clear I don't really care how other people play and enjoy games. Do whatever you want really. I just had to put in my .02 on this topic." Also said: "So yeah, save states and rewind are cheating. I'm not saying I am perfect either. I cheat to finish games too sometimes (usually jrpgs I will turn random battles off after a certain point to save a lot of time) but I don't post clear videos to youtube and talk about what a hardass gamer I am for having finished it. I would also absolutely never do it in a shmup, platformer etc... Basically anything I view as a "skill" game is on the no fly list."

Basically I really don't care how people want to enjoy games, but what is and isn't cheating is really cut and dry.

Lol'd at the dinner party analogy.
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Do those idiots know that modern GPS relies on general relativity?

If everything was accessible to everyone, we would literally never progress as a species.

That being said, kitten, while I don't share your thoughts on the perceived value of meal prep (I might even go so far as to say you sounded a bit rude, given your description of the situation), I am genuinely curious as to where all these folks are caring so much about whether seeing the end of a game with cheats counts as beating it (and whether they also think women owe them sex for existing).

TAS is a separate category, by the way. As long as someone clarified that they held the world record among attempts at tool-assisted speedruns of a particular game, I'd be happy to acknowledge their accomplishment. It's when those are mixed in with attempts without tool-assist that it becomes a problem.
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WelshMegalodon wrote:That being said, kitten, while I don't share your thoughts on the perceived value of meal prep (I might even go so far as to say you sounded a bit rude, given your description of the situation),
I wasn't sure how much of that story was sarcasm, maybe none of it was. I would certainly strongly disagree with microwave dinners and mcds being good. Cutting out mcds (and eventually all fast food) was one of the best things I ever did.
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WelshMegalodon wrote:That being said, kitten, while I don't share your thoughts on the perceived value of meal prep (I might even go so far as to say you sounded a bit rude, given your description of the situation)
ah geez sorry i hewed the line too close, there - that entire paragraph about food prep was satire re: how these people think (e.g. none of the work/effort/knowledge/etc. matters, knowing you can eventually do it is all that does). i'm poking fun at their disregard for the process of getting better/finely doing anything by transplanting their talking points over to how much of an ass you would sound like talking about food in the same fashion
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kitten wrote:
WelshMegalodon wrote:That being said, kitten, while I don't share your thoughts on the perceived value of meal prep (I might even go so far as to say you sounded a bit rude, given your description of the situation)
ah geez sorry i hewed the line too close, there - that entire paragraph about food prep was satire re: how these people think (e.g. none of the work/effort/knowledge/etc. matters, knowing you can eventually do it is all that does).
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kitten wrote:ah geez sorry i hewed the line too close, there - that entire paragraph about food prep was satire re: how these people think (e.g. none of the work/effort/knowledge/etc. matters, knowing you can eventually do it is all that does). i'm poking fun at their disregard for the process of getting better/finely doing anything by transplanting their talking points over to how much of an ass you would sound like talking about food in the same fashion
Ohhhh. My bad. A simple pair of quotation marks would have made all the difference. Given that you've mentioned your affinity for cooking cheap and healthy meals (and even started a short-lived cooking thread here), you can imagine how confused I was.

In its current form, your satire just reads like an account of you being an ass at a dinner party.

EDIT: Thanks for going back and adding quotation marks.
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slightly edited it to make that clear. i do like making food on a budget, but even that requires a lot of thought, effort, learning, etc. i tried to use stuff even a cheap dinner party could have (e.g. quality presentation & curry) to remove affordability (an actual 'accessibility' issue) from the equation. god i worry a lot about someone getting the impression i'd actually behave that way at a dinner party lol.

removing the difficulty is an intrinsic change to a game in a similar way removing ingredients or the entire cooking process is an intrinsic change to the experience of a meal. bypassing perceived unpleasantness is something it's not hard to say you did - e.g. "i ate a meal with a whole habanero (with all the seeds removed and with several glasses of milk)." this bit in parenthesis merits need for obvious transparency in discussion and validation of the previous statement. likewise, so does cheating in a game.

these people often have an obsession with "beating" a game that frankly strikes me as absurd. why are they concerned about this being challenged or taken from them? the literal only barrier they are being deprived of here is the imaginary. this isn't like a business declining certain patronage because of the status or beliefs of those certain customers, it's entry to an invisible group whose only concern of qualification is "did the thing" or "did not do the thing." why do they care, if not craving the validation? if i'm 'gatekeeping' by declining them the right to say they beat the game, what am i 'gatekeeping?' entry to... meaningful conversation... that only the context of having did the thing provides? gosh, i guess that's gatekeeping. if i ask someone if they'd read a book and what they thought, i'd sure hope when they respond in the affirmative that they read the mother fucking book and not a wikipedia article.
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Work environments in which people realise that when a deadline is "the end of the year" it actually means the 31st of December. I currently work in China, in which the general way of life is "wait until the very last second for everything and then do each task at such an inordinate pace that any slight mistake will be fatal".

I spent an absolutely horrendous day dealing with an overwhelming amount of red tape that has nothing to do with my actual job because anyway some 20 HR persons needed my signature on some pointless piece of paper (like, "we need to confirm that you received a new chair in March". I signed in March and I gave you the relevant piece of paper. You lost it, dipshit).

I came back home at 9.30 and I am writing this message from the pub downstairs (at least I have a *good* pub literally at the street level of my condo complex). This after having fought with a wife who is fed up with this kind of work environment. No, she does not work in the same place, but this is the n-th holiday I get screwed over and all plans are fucked up.

I am so pissed off that I am going to play MAME games. On my laptop, while drinking Punk IPA. And using cheats like there was no tomorrow. Then I am buying a VPN account just to post my illegal exploits on youtubz with cheats to troll the masses. Maybe while offering long monologues on the supremacy of the oppressed white heterosexual male and the discrimination this group suffers from all those LGBT, bronze-skinned, soccer-loving socialists and other perverts standing for blasphemies like, uh, basic human rights and self-respect.

And you *will* love me for doing it.








Happy New Year, and I wish 2020 can already go fuck itself, the way it has started.



EDIT: the kids to my right (yes, I am still in the pub) argue that the spinning trick to get coins worth 60+ credits in Wonder Boy in Monster Land is cheating. But they find it fair game that I am playing on a bloody 14" screen, the fuckers. Can I kill them?
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It's a platitude that can carry an awful, bourgeois connotation (actually, nowadays, it seems it's often the other way around), but I think we'd be well advised with a little more optimism - pessimism is not going to make anything better. Life will go on anyway :)

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Either way, interesting glimpse Rando, I have an acquaintance who is working in China often.

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Happy new year you crazy guys!

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Well I've finally been annoyed enough to post about this here.

There are some that might think some of the worst threads might reside on shmups farm...

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No the worst thread on any site I regularly visit resides on another forum. There is an old racist on there. Imagine Zen, but worse and will never be banned for reasons unknown. He made a thread roughly a week ago about "Inner City Culture". I'm sure many can already smell the bullshit and I don't think I have to say what "inner city" means... Others and myself briefly attempted to interact with him (always a mistake) but there is no winning. The thread keeps getting bumped sometimes multiple times a day by him dumping news stories of "inner city" crime/violence.
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Steamflogger Boss wrote:There is an old racist on there. Imagine Zen, but worse and will never be banned for reasons unknown. He made a thread roughly a week ago about "Inner City Culture". I'm sure many can already smell the bullshit and I don't think I have to say what "inner city" means... Others and myself briefly attempted to interact with him (always a mistake) but there is no winning. The thread keeps getting bumped sometimes multiple times a day by him dumping news stories of "inner city" crime/violence.
Dunno if this'll make you feel better, but it may give some clarity on what's going on. I've seen it happen in other forums:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P55t6eryY3g
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Steamflogger Boss wrote:The thread keeps getting bumped sometimes multiple times a day by him dumping news stories of "inner city" crime/violence.
And if you attempt to respond in kind with accounts of far-right and/or white supremacist extremist acts be prepared for completely good-faith and self-aware accusations of "cherry picking". :roll:
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BulletMagnet wrote:
Steamflogger Boss wrote:The thread keeps getting bumped sometimes multiple times a day by him dumping news stories of "inner city" crime/violence.
And if you attempt to respond in kind with accounts of far-right and/or white supremacist extremist acts be prepared for completely good-faith and self-aware accusations of "cherry picking". :roll:
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So yeah, cherry picking basically nailed it.

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Happy New Year you fuks! I hope for you all to... fuck alot in 2020 8)
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^ :lol:

"I hope you fuck a lot this year" will be my standard well-wishing message from now on :mrgreen:
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FinalBaton wrote:Happy New Year you fuks! I hope for you all to... fuck alot in 2020 8)
Is your mum still available this year or.. ?
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As much as I can't stand Mike Matei, at least he's on the right side of this "debate". I don't care if he's "cheated" in the past - it's not like he's claiming official world records or whatever. I've cheated plenty of times, the difference is in whether you recognize that you cheated (even if you still don't admit it).
The question here though is why is it even a debate?

As much as I hate seeing that twitter thread, I think this screencap sums up the aggrevating situation very well, and the approach I keep running into everywhere, that's hard to grasp:

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First of all - it's just video games, no one should get riled up about shit like this. But in the context of video games there's nothing wrong with caring about what's probably the most central thing about them - How they are played, and getting enjoyment from them.

With that out of the way, it pains me that people actually believe so hard in what they are saying. That having some sort of consequence for failing in a video game is archaic, bad design, "fake difficulty", etc.
Why the hell are you even playing a game which is about succesfully completing an action (jumping a hole, defeating an enemy, etc.) if you don't want it to make a difference whether you do complete said action or not?
I kiiiiiind of get it if you've grown up playing only modern game with a focus on story and setpieces, and barely any action gameplay. I'm sure it makes it hard to grasp the idea of a pure action game. But I get this approach more often from people of my own generation who feel like they are too adult and busy and kids-having to sit down and spend time on playing any single stage of an old-school game more than once.
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SEE SUMEZ, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE WRONG. *dusts off the gloves*

Nah this whole accessibility bullshit gets to me. In a modern all-inclusive world you cannot allow a game to have challenge because that's gatekeeping.

Also the semantic arguments are annoying. I know someone who refuses to budge from claiming to have 'beaten' a shmup, despite credit feeding the entire thing. Where is the act of beating occuring?
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