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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:12 am 



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MidOrFeed2015 wrote:
anyone know if the Xplorer 64 works with ntsc carts and an ntsc console??


Yes I have used it on a Japanese console until I bricked it with a firmware update. Never update the firmware on the Xplorers.


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I have a KVM switch for a bunch of desktops that outputs VGA to a really old Samsung TV (that has a VGA input). I also have a bluray and other HDMI devices plugged in which are capable of 1080p. So my TV has both VGA and HDMI inputs, but is 720p. I want to upgrade the TV, but mainly use it for the VGA inputs, and I don't really see many with both. I'm looking for at least 1080p, >=32", at least 3 HDMI, and COAX cable input would be a nice addition. I actually have a 40" that matches this, but instead of VGA, it has component. Is there an elegant way to transcode VGA to component and keep it 1080p viable?


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:10 am 



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paulb_nl wrote:
MidOrFeed2015 wrote:
anyone know if the Xplorer 64 works with ntsc carts and an ntsc console??


Yes I have used it on a Japanese console until I bricked it with a firmware update. Never update the firmware on the Xplorers.

so you used it on a japanese console with japanese games? basically my gameshark broke and your word about it working would be appreciated (because it seems like a better device than GS). im ready to import one from the UK.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:14 pm 



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I got just got a DC 576i/480p RGB cable (retrogamingcablesUK), works great with 15khz Monitor/FrameMeister.
Now I got a PVM that is 480p cable (PVM 20m7mde), on the monitor back panel I have RGB/Component BNC connectors.
A simple scart to BNC adapter would do the work in order to get 480p working with games that support VGA?
Do I need ext sync/sync stripper/whatever?

Nope, just the bnc adapter.

There's very little documentation on the 20M7MDE on the internet, but it looks like it performs frame doubling on 15kHz sources (480i/576i). It'd be better to stick to 31kHz with it

Thanks.
Yes, I got it for 31khz only, I have a couple of 20L2s for 15khz.
I was considering a BVM D20 to have an all-in-one solution but the best I found was 900€... too much for my pocket. ^^’


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:40 pm 



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ldeveraux wrote:
I have a KVM switch for a bunch of desktops that outputs VGA to a really old Samsung TV (that has a VGA input). I also have a bluray and other HDMI devices plugged in which are capable of 1080p. So my TV has both VGA and HDMI inputs, but is 720p. I want to upgrade the TV, but mainly use it for the VGA inputs, and I don't really see many with both. I'm looking for at least 1080p, >=32", at least 3 HDMI, and COAX cable input would be a nice addition. I actually have a 40" that matches this, but instead of VGA, it has component. Is there an elegant way to transcode VGA to component and keep it 1080p viable?


Hey all, I could really use some advice on this before I go out and buy a new TV.

TLDR: How to convert 1080p VGA to Component?


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I have a KVM switch for a bunch of desktops that outputs VGA to a really old Samsung TV (that has a VGA input). I also have a bluray and other HDMI devices plugged in which are capable of 1080p. So my TV has both VGA and HDMI inputs, but is 720p. I want to upgrade the TV, but mainly use it for the VGA inputs, and I don't really see many with both. I'm looking for at least 1080p, >=32", at least 3 HDMI, and COAX cable input would be a nice addition. I actually have a 40" that matches this, but instead of VGA, it has component. Is there an elegant way to transcode VGA to component and keep it 1080p viable?


Hey all, I could really use some advice on this before I go out and buy a new TV.

TLDR: How to convert 1080p VGA to Component?

I don't think there's anything readily-available. you'll have an easier time going from VGA to HDMI; you could use an OSSC, if you already have one, or you could pick up a VGA to HDMI converter from the likes of Portta or UGREEN. (I've not tested either of these; I just know that they're from brands that tend to be decent.)

(Also came across this MiniHDMI-to-HDMI/VGA adapter, which might be good for those that want to split the same-resolution output from an UltraHDMI or DCHDMI between a CRT and a flat panel.)


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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
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ldeveraux wrote:
How to convert 1080p VGA to Component?


To what end? Most displays will not accept "more" than 720p over component.
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MidOrFeed2015 wrote:
so you used it on a japanese console with japanese games? basically my gameshark broke and your word about it working would be appreciated (because it seems like a better device than GS). im ready to import one from the UK.


I used it with Japanese and US games.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:05 pm 



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orange808 wrote:
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How to convert 1080p VGA to Component?


To what end? Most displays will not accept "more" than 720p over component.


It doesn't have to be I suppose. I'd like a TV (instead of a pricey monitor) that will accept my VGA cable. Whether that's directly from VGA or converted to something doesn't matter. I'd also like as many free HDMI as possible to also use it with boxes I already have on the TV. I currently have connected an old Samsung TV that has 3x HDMI and a VGA input, but maxes out at 720p. I was hoping I could get a 1080p, even if it doesn't make the VGA source any better, it will be better for the bluray I have connected. But if htere's a perfect TV that has the combination I'm looking for, I'm open to hearing about it.

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Hey all, I could really use some advice on this before I go out and buy a new TV.

TLDR: How to convert 1080p VGA to Component?

I don't think there's anything readily-available. you'll have an easier time going from VGA to HDMI; you could use an OSSC, if you already have one, or you could pick up a VGA to HDMI converter from the likes of Portta or UGREEN. (I've not tested either of these; I just know that they're from brands that tend to be decent.)

(Also came across this MiniHDMI-to-HDMI/VGA adapter, which might be good for those that want to split the same-resolution output from an UltraHDMI or DCHDMI between a CRT and a flat panel.)


I have an OSSC, a RetroTunk, and a Portta converter, but the first two are used in another room, and the Portta is HDMI output. The TV I was going to move into this system only has 2x HDMI and 1x Component, which is why I wanted to try to utilize the component. So even though it's 1080p, I realize my old PCs are not, so would make a perfect fit for the component IN.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:23 pm 



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ldeveraux wrote:
nmalinoski wrote:
I don't think there's anything readily-available. you'll have an easier time going from VGA to HDMI; you could use an OSSC, if you already have one, or you could pick up a VGA to HDMI converter from the likes of Portta or UGREEN. (I've not tested either of these; I just know that they're from brands that tend to be decent.)

(Also came across this MiniHDMI-to-HDMI/VGA adapter, which might be good for those that want to split the same-resolution output from an UltraHDMI or DCHDMI between a CRT and a flat panel.)


I have an OSSC, a RetroTunk, and a Portta converter, but the first two are used in another room, and the Portta is HDMI output. The TV I was going to move into this system only has 2x HDMI and 1x Component, which is why I wanted to try to utilize the component. So even though it's 1080p, I realize my old PCs are not, so would make a perfect fit for the component IN.

I'm sorry; I completely forgot about the Retrotek VGACTV2; I think that's what you're looking for. You might need a 3.5mm TRS to stereo RCA cable or adapter for audio. Here's the thread for Retrotek products: https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=65050

Beyond that, there really isn't much for going directly from RGBHV to YPbPr; most converters these days are for converting either to or from HDMI, since that's the de facto standard now.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:34 pm 



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paulb_nl wrote:
MidOrFeed2015 wrote:
so you used it on a japanese console with japanese games? basically my gameshark broke and your word about it working would be appreciated (because it seems like a better device than GS). im ready to import one from the UK.


I used it with Japanese and US games.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
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nmalinoski wrote:
ldeveraux wrote:
nmalinoski wrote:
I don't think there's anything readily-available. you'll have an easier time going from VGA to HDMI; you could use an OSSC, if you already have one, or you could pick up a VGA to HDMI converter from the likes of Portta or UGREEN. (I've not tested either of these; I just know that they're from brands that tend to be decent.)

(Also came across this MiniHDMI-to-HDMI/VGA adapter, which might be good for those that want to split the same-resolution output from an UltraHDMI or DCHDMI between a CRT and a flat panel.)


I have an OSSC, a RetroTunk, and a Portta converter, but the first two are used in another room, and the Portta is HDMI output. The TV I was going to move into this system only has 2x HDMI and 1x Component, which is why I wanted to try to utilize the component. So even though it's 1080p, I realize my old PCs are not, so would make a perfect fit for the component IN.

I'm sorry; I completely forgot about the Retrotek VGACTV2; I think that's what you're looking for. You might need a 3.5mm TRS to stereo RCA cable or adapter for audio. Here's the thread for Retrotek products: https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=65050

Beyond that, there really isn't much for going directly from RGBHV to YPbPr; most converters these days are for converting either to or from HDMI, since that's the de facto standard now.


Well, we'll see if it's any good. Better than waiting for the AA to show up on Ebay for a decent price. I know there were weird color issues discussed in that thread. Hope I don't see it!


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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
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I have a weird question:

I’m trying to film the ‘combing effect’ that is visible when weave deinterlacing is in use. What is the easiest way to create this effect? Would a linedoubler like the Extron Andora be an option if I could find one? Are there any other devices that could do it?


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Do you actually need to film it ? You can capture interlaced and apply a simple weave filter. Might be easier.

If you want the effect on a TV coming from a real system you need processor that you can set the 2:2 weaving (forced film mode). NTSC film mode won't give you the exact same effect.


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Fudoh wrote:
Do you actually need to film it ? You can capture interlaced and apply a simple weave filter. Might be easier.

If you want the effect on a TV coming from a real system you need processor that you can set the 2:2 weaving (forced film mode). NTSC film mode won't give you the exact same effect.


Yeah, I wanted to cap it from a real system. Do you know any processors that will do this?


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:37 am 


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MidOrFeed2015 wrote:
paulb_nl wrote:
MidOrFeed2015 wrote:
so you used it on a japanese console with japanese games? basically my gameshark broke and your word about it working would be appreciated (because it seems like a better device than GS). im ready to import one from the UK.


I used it with Japanese and US games.


wicked


On N64, the ntsc regions use the same lockout code. A few more areas like Korea and Brazil are mostly compatible too.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:31 am 



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ldeveraux wrote:
I have a KVM switch for a bunch of desktops that outputs VGA to a really old Samsung TV (that has a VGA input). I also have a bluray and other HDMI devices plugged in which are capable of 1080p. So my TV has both VGA and HDMI inputs, but is 720p. I want to upgrade the TV, but mainly use it for the VGA inputs, and I don't really see many with both. I'm looking for at least 1080p, >=32", at least 3 HDMI, and COAX cable input would be a nice addition. I actually have a 40" that matches this, but instead of VGA, it has component. Is there an elegant way to transcode VGA to component and keep it 1080p viable?


Manual says it takes 1920x1080 over VGA and has 4 HDMI ports:

https://www.samsung.com/au/support/mode ... 650A1FXXY/


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Hi your opions on the SIGMA AV-7000 supergun with stick please! I can get one on in new cond. Thanks!

Is the picture quality awesome? Since you cant control RGB levels?


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Rtypes on the playstation 1

Or Rtype cd on the pc engine which is the best version or the one with the most bells and whistles ?

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Rtypes on the playstation 1

Or Rtype cd on the pc engine which is the best version or the one with the most bells and whistles ?

Cheers

Here's a relevant thread: https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6996


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How much lag does a dvdo VP30 without the ABT102D upgrade add on 480p sources and above? 2 frames?


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How much lag does a dvdo VP30 without the ABT102D upgrade add on 480p sources and above? 2 frames?

Wow nothing this big, only 6ms when the output is framelocked.

It's only deinterlacing mode 2 that produces about 2 frames (or was it less?) everything else is 6ms (8 for PAL I think)

Tho I'm saying this from memory as mine has temporarily returned to its box and am using the 50pro instead since I have only one well-working PSU for both.

You can check that using the lip-sync slider, decrease it to negative values, the lower it gets is as much lag as the VP30 is currently producing/adding to the chain.
I've verified this with LB tester, it is reliable AFAIK.
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Xyga wrote:
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How much lag does a dvdo VP30 without the ABT102D upgrade add on 480p sources and above? 2 frames?

Wow nothing this big, only 6ms when the output is framelocked.

It's only deinterlacing mode 2 that produces about 2 frames (or was it less?) everything else is 6ms (8 for PAL I think)

Tho I'm saying this from memory as mine has temporarily returned to its box and am using the 50pro instead since I have only one well-working PSU for both.

You can check that using the lip-sync slider, decrease it to negative values, the lower it gets is as much lag as the VP30 is currently producing/adding to the chain.
I've verified this with LB tester, it is reliable AFAIK.


Hmm are you sure? I thought to get the vp30 down to 6ms you needed to enable game mode 1 which requires the upgrade card.


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I've used the VP30+ABT102 to upscale 480p and 720p for years, it has nothing to do with the deinterlacing modes and the lag is 6ms, that's how it is, otherwise I would have resold that machine ages ago. ^^
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I thought to get the vp30 down to 6ms you needed to enable game mode 1 which requires the upgrade card.

for 480i signals. For 480p signals you you get the low lag automatically as long as you disable cadence detection and don't enable PREP (which is re-interlacing).


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I thought to get the vp30 down to 6ms you needed to enable game mode 1 which requires the upgrade card.

for 480i signals. For 480p signals you you get the low lag automatically as long as you disable cadence detection and don't enable PREP (which is re-interlacing).


Cheers for the clarification.

I don’t even think you can enable prep on a vp30 without the upgrade so no worries there.

Edit: does anyone use prep? I have a vp50pro and haven’t found a scenario where it’s useful.


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PREP is nonsense these day. But in the very early days of DVI/HDMI DVD players, there have been units on which 480i wasn't available digitally (or only through SDI mods). PREP could be used to undo the DVD players deinterlacing and let the DVDO handle it instead. Very borderline scenario and I doubt that many people really used it.


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strayan wrote:
cheers for the clarification.

Guess I can't be trusted right ?
This damn forum, that attitude is too common. :?

FYI Fudoh even if he is the most savvy on the topic is not the only member who's experienced many scalers and doublers, some like me here have also owned and used many including several DVDO's of course.

Some of us did things with those machines the others didn't and found about specificities even Fudoh didn't know about.
for instance I found about the EDGE's lag issues
and I was the only one here who could tell which low lag scalers/doublers can handle a pcb like Dogyuun
I'm sure there's several other cases of members with a significant experience, part of which Fudoh ignores.

If you guys cannot trust anyone but Fudoh then, thinking he knows everything and can answer all questions correctly, well, you're wrong and possibly missing out on some other valuable advice here and there.

@Fudoh: it's not against you dude :wink:
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Xyga wrote:
strayan wrote:
cheers for the clarification.

Guess I can't be trusted right ?
This damn forum, that attitude is too common. :?

FYI Fudoh even if he is the most savvy on the topic is not the only member who's experienced many scalers and doublers, some like me here have also owned and used many including several DVDO's of course.

Some of us did things with those machines the others didn't and found about specificities even Fudoh didn't know about.
for instance I found about the EDGE's lag issues
and I was the only one here who could tell which low lag scalers/doublers can handle a pcb like Dogyuun
I'm sure there's several other cases of members with a significant experience, part of which Fudoh ignores.

If you guys cannot trust anyone but Fudoh then, thinking he knows everything and can answer all questions correctly, well, you're wrong and possibly missing out on some other valuable advice here and there.

@Fudoh: it's not against you dude :wink:


All you do is stir up drama and insert your (apparently) incorrect knowledge into conversations. If you'd step down from your pedestal for a minute I think you'd see what we all do.


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nmalinoski wrote:
Axelay wrote:
Rtypes on the playstation 1

Or Rtype cd on the pc engine which is the best version or the one with the most bells and whistles ?

Cheers

Here's a relevant thread: https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6996



That's incredible thank you
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