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 Post subject: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:48 pm 


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Since these are becoming more commonplace and with the recent advancements in making homemade RGB/Comp boards I figured we might as well have a thread for these rather than clutter up some others.

I bought a TM-H1950GC last month and it was shipped upside down. I've finally had a chance to sort out why it wasn't working and it turns out, the board was cracked under the flyback, breaking some traces.

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I also found a circuit diagram for the mainboard of a TM-H1900G which appears to be mostly identical to my 1950. I also got a 1700 chassis service manual.

TM-H1900G https://www.dropbox.com/s/mhxxa398q9453 ... e.pdf?dl=0
TM-H1700G https://www.dropbox.com/s/opm50957tc2oa ... m.pdf?dl=0
TM-1700PN https://www.dropbox.com/s/803w13l67y38q ... 7.pdf?dl=0
TM-H150CG user manual https://www.dropbox.com/s/qzxvfv0sefzrq ... l.pdf?dl=0
DT-V1910CG user manual https://www.dropbox.com/s/rx4oedz8u63zv ... u.pdf?dl=0


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:52 am 


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Has anyone added RGB to TM-1700PN or TM-2100PN monitors? Was the difference noticeable? Just less bleeding on reds? On my sets the S-video quality is so good that I haven't felt the need to upgrade them.
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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:26 pm 


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On my tm-h150cg the main noticeable difference between svideo and rgb is at the left and right edges of the screen. If you look closely you can see something that looks like color bleed into the overscan area. I saw it on the 1950 as well in svideo but haven't put the rgb card in it yet.

It might be worth the hassle (if doable) for purists but at a sitting distance there's like a couple percent difference in quality.


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:21 pm 


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My repair worked and the results turned out pretty great!

www.imgur.com/a/6jD1U (ignore the moire)

I still need to adjust the geometry and calibrate it, but I'm pleased. Also need to model and print up a new power button because it's a terrible not-quite live hinge design that breaks easily.


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:51 pm 


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I'm glad to see that you managed to figure out the problem on your TM-H1950GC and fix it - a damaged board certainly isn't the first thing one would think of. I bet that last picture resembles your face after you saw it finally working :)


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:58 pm 


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Heh, that's why I picked it. I used to wear a t shirt I made with that screenshot cause it's so great!

I think the board cracked because it was shipped upside down. That's right under the flyback which is the heaviest mounted part so the jostling of shipping probably caused it.


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:40 pm 


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I've played a bit with my DT-V1710CG now, here's a few screenshots of 240p content:

Image Image Image

Geometry and image quality in general are of course excellent (colors are much more vibrant in person.. ), if I really must find a flaw I'd say that on the corners the image is not as super-sharp as it is on the center. It's also worth noting that the viewing experience with this monitor is radically different from that of its little brother TM-H150GC. Scanlines are noticeably thicker (and the TM-H was no slouch already), much more so than the marginal 50 TVL difference would have you believe.. add to that a perfectly flat screen and the result is an image that's breathtakingly sharp, solid and.. square, at times maybe even too much. I was totally expecting it though, or rather, I was looking specifically for it.. a CRT TV that was as sharp as PC CRT monitors are, but that could also display 15kHz content natively while retaining support for higher resolutions - and I got exactly that :)

Minor questions for DT-V owners - does yours make a loud clack when changing resolutions or even resetting a console? Also what's that tally light for? Mine never lights up.


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:59 pm 


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My multisync Sony PVM cracks when the input resolution changes. It's probably normal?

It's probably blurrier on the edges because it's flat. I wouldn't worry too much about that. And the thickness/pronouncedness of the blank lines is from the difference between the shadow mask on the 150 and the aperture grille on the DT-V.

I have no idea what the tally lamp is for but it's not used with our applications.


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:27 pm 


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Einzelherz wrote:
My multisync Sony PVM cracks when the input resolution changes. It's probably normal?

I don't know, if yours does it too I guess so. I thought it was an odd behaviour given that all of my CRT monitors are silent when switching resolution through the OSSC. It also makes me wonder about what sets apart VGA from TV monitors - ability to sync to all contents within a given frequenct range vs standard broadcast res support only? Different gamma curve maybe? What's for sure is that a LaCie Electron IV went for €500/600 while the DT-V17 was five times that, for whatever reason.

Thanks for your take on the other questions :)


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:36 am 


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How many hours on it? Mine also does it especially while it's still warming up. After half an hour of operation it gets quiet . Do yours also do the loud clunk and picture shaking when switched on from cold? The shaking stops in matter of seconds and then it stabilises on mine.


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:45 am 


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Mine has low hours so it's not due to wear.. glad to hear it gets quieter after warming up!

The clunk/shaking when switched on is normal, it's the degausser doing its job. Happens on many CRTs and can get much louder than that on some sets..


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:56 am 


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The light is normaly when you remote the monitor.
I have the loud clack on all my dt-v, i think its come from the s-correction card. my ikegami 1990r have also a sound but not as loud.


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
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It's done (I think):
https://pastebin.com/EXqMBfcY


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:18 pm 


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Great work Ryoandr! Just wish you'd done this before I spent time figuring out how to rgb mod :P


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:38 pm 


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Xer Xian, what are the second and third games in your screenshots?


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 5:16 pm 


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Those are Community Pom (mid-gen PS1 adventure RPG) and Soukyugurentai/Terra Diver..


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:59 am 


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Soukyou is the business. Worth a play on Saturn.


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:26 pm 


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I have it but haven't touched it in ages.


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:14 pm 


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I noticed this monitor (DT-V 1710cg) doesn't really like 54hz arcade games like R-type or Mortal Kombat series. (via groovymame, not PCB) Sometimes the picture will roll, and other times the picture will be stable but it will be small and squashed. This monitor also doesn't like to be in TATE mode. The screen gets purple blobs on it that won't go away with degaussing, but will go away once the monitor is rotated back to it's normal sitting position and left powered off for a little while. This is disappointing because this would be perfect for a desktop TATE setup.


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:13 am 


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It's an aperture grille screen so I wouldn't personally TATE it anyway.

And it's not multisync like an arcade monitor. It does broadcast resolutions, so PAL, NTSC, (SDTV) and 720p, 1080i. That means scan frequencies of 48, 50, 59.94, and 60 hz only.


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:32 am 


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The PVM 20L5 I used to have had no problem with 54hz games, and it accepts all the same resolutions that the JVC does. The JVC is just more picky about the signal I guess.

why wouldn't you rotate an aperture grille monitor? Just curious.


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:31 pm 


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I don't like perpetuating the stereotype, but at least with the TM-H vs. PVM comparison, the Sonys are ridiculously overbuilt, so I could see them being more accepting of non-standards. I've never tried off frequencies, personally.

Gravity is what makes me paranoid about TATEing an aperture grille. Whereas a shadow mask is a perforated piece of steel in the front of the tube, the wires in an aperture grille make me uneasy sitting horizontal for extended lengths of time. I know they usually have a crosswise stabilization wire but that's just not enough to satisfy my concern. It's entirely my personal issue and many here have reported no issues with them, but that's specifically why I waited out some TM-H screens.


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:41 pm 


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cyborc wrote:
This monitor also doesn't like to be in TATE mode. The screen gets purple blobs on it that won't go away with degaussing, but will go away once the monitor is rotated back to it's normal sitting position and left powered off for a little while. This is disappointing because this would be perfect for a desktop TATE setup.

After you rotated your monitor, did you leave it alone for a while before turning it on? When you rotate a CRT you are changing its position wrt the earth's magnetic field and there's a chance that artifacts such as those you descripted will show up. If you let it rest for a bit before use you should be good.

As for rotating aperture grilles, I myself have never experienced or heard of damages to the damper wires due to TATE'ing, but I think I'll keep my DT-V17 with standard orientation and rotate my TM-H150 anyway - it's just the most logical arrangement.


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:55 pm 


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Xer Xian wrote:
cyborc wrote:
This monitor also doesn't like to be in TATE mode. The screen gets purple blobs on it that won't go away with degaussing, but will go away once the monitor is rotated back to it's normal sitting position and left powered off for a little while. This is disappointing because this would be perfect for a desktop TATE setup.

After you rotated your monitor, did you leave it alone for a while before turning it on? When you rotate a CRT you are changing its position wrt the earth's magnetic field and there's a chance that artifacts such as those you descripted will show up. If you let it rest for a bit before use you should be good.

As for rotating aperture grilles, I myself have never experienced or heard of damages to the damper wires due to TATE'ing, but I think I'll keep my DT-V17 with standard orientation and rotate my TM-H150 anyway - it's just the most logical arrangement.


Yeah, I even left it rotated and unplugged all night and tried again the next day and the blobs were still there. It's been a few years since I last tried it, so I may try it again once I get it out of storage.


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:33 am 



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So, now I'm curious, anyone that has a composite / svideo card could open it and take pics ?
It's the IF-C01PNG.


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:06 am 


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there more on this one .

http://imgur.com/a/7nS8M


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:24 pm 


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Yeah, the Video/S-Video card has to deal with NTSC/PAL decoding and is a much different beast than the RGB/Component one. I'm looking for one btw, if anyone has got one to spare for a reasonable price please get in touch :)


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:30 pm 


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i know that a french jvc agreed reparator still have one, paid mine 56€ from him, he find it after i come.
Dont know if he can ship it.


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
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I still got mine sitting in the closet for about 2 years now after i bought it without the card. I saw in the other thread that they have been able to duplicate the card but its beyond what i can do.


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 Post subject: Re: JVC TM-H and DT-V thread
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Anyone ever tried a Pc Engine on the DT-V series?


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