Overly Dramatic and wierd philosophical shooter list

Macaw · Post by **Macaw** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:32 am

For some reason shmups tend to be obsessed with doing this kind of crazyness. Here is what I can recall off the top of my head (with reasons why):

-Metal Black (because of the messed up end battle and general dark atmosphere, and of course the earth ripping in half and having blood and guts inside it)
-G-Darius (Most messed up endings ever, such as when you defeat the embryon)
-Philosoma (End crazyness)
-R-Type Final (Designers were on somthing when they made this)
-Rayforce, Raystorm and Raycrisis (this entire series is like some kind of crazed mind trip questioning your inner self....or somthing)

Possibly Ikaruga and radiant silvergun can be listed as well? I havnt played them in ages and have forgetten heaps. And people talk about Einhander like its pretty wierd as well, but i've never played it. Any other suggestions?

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:38 am

Einhander, definitely. Up until the end, you're given vague hints as to what's really going on, and the plot twists at the end-- political views, mindfucking conspiracy, and in the case of a certain bad ending: spirituality-- come full circle.

I don't know enough Japanese to read it fluently, but many of Cave's recent games-- Dodonpachi Dai-Ou-Jou, ESPGaluda, and Mushihime-sama, all seem to have endings which are philosophical, spiritual, and twisted, in that respectable order.

Also, even though it's a rail shooter: Rez. Oh, dear fucking god, Rez will screw with you during the final stage.

Macaw · Post by **Macaw** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:43 am

Thing about Cave games is all the story is mostly just text and stuff, making much less of an impact. Imagine all the Philosoma stuff happened with text intermissions... it would suck.

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:40 pm

Macaw wrote:Thing about Cave games is all the story is mostly just text and stuff, making much less of an impact. Imagine all the Philosoma stuff happened with text intermissions... it would suck.

I wouldn't say the text-based, image-accompanied endings of the Cave games make any less of an impact. Part of them can be interpretted without a language barrier, through imagery, but to truly "get" the ending, you'd have to be fluent in Japanese. The Cave games aren't really comparable to Philosoma at all. I thought of Silpheed: The Lost Planet as a lesser version of Philosoma, though... Just nowhere near as trippy/chilling. (Then again, I never made it to the end of Silpheed: The Lost Planet. >_<)

Macaw · Post by **Macaw** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:14 pm

I guess what I was trying to say is that the text/pic endings in cave games just arnt really as exiting as in-game crazyness like say...the background in stage 7 of R-type Final, although they really are 2 completely different things with the text actualy representing story and the in-game stuff just being trippy. As to what makes more impact really depends on how well either one is done I suppose.

Then again cave games dont really try to do anything overly atmospheric, rather they are just very focused competitive scoring games.

it290 · Post by **it290** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:49 pm

**SPOILERS**

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:04 pm

it290: I CANNOT see your spoilers.

Macaw wrote:For some reason shmups tend to be obsessed with doing this kind of crazyness. Here is what I can recall off the top of my head (with reasons why):

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-Rayforce, Raystorm and Raycrisis (this entire series is like some kind of crazed mind trip questioning your inner self....or somthing)

Did anyone else get the "best" ending from beating Raystorm in 13 Ships Mode? WTH does it mean??

And is it still worth trying to get Philosoma if I don't already have it?

Macaw · Post by **Macaw** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:06 pm

I've never seen the best ending. As for Philosoma do not buy it if you want good gameplay, as its rather weak. The atmosphere it what makes it interesting so buy it if your into that.

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:09 pm

spoiler:

The "best" ending of Raystorm says something about, "Now both Secilia and the Earth have disappeared." ?????

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:24 pm

[Human/Soldier]... If you wish to saveguard the future of humanity... Listen to me...

(can't believe noone mentioned this earlier)

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:34 pm

Turrican wrote:[Human/Soldier]... If you wish to saveguard the future of humanity... Listen to me...

(can't believe noone mentioned this earlier)

Is that from Turrican or is "Human/Soldier" some other game?

Post by **Ghegs** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:38 pm

doctorx0079 wrote:
Turrican wrote:[Human/Soldier]... If you wish to saveguard the future of humanity... Listen to me...

(can't believe noone mentioned this earlier)
Is that from Turrican or is "Human/Soldier" some other game?

It's from Thunder Force V.

Plasmo · Post by **Plasmo** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:39 pm

lol thunderforce v
btwyou can put ika and rs on the list for sure

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:44 pm

Macaw wrote:Possibly Ikaruga and radiant silvergun can be listed as well?

Surely you jest, no one does pretentiousness quite like Treasure, heh heh.

Most of the other games I would have thought of for this have pretty much all been mentioned...

WarpZone · Post by **WarpZone** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:31 pm

Hmm, we mention games expressing their themes/philosophy through their "weird" endings, off-the-wall backgrounds, plot twists, etc. Yet how many express such things through their play mechanics? Seems like that would be the natural avenue to take for a videogame, yet it's rarely seen.

Dale · Post by **Dale** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:04 pm

WarpZone wrote:Hmm, we mention games expressing their themes/philosophy through their "weird" endings, off-the-wall backgrounds, plot twists, etc. Yet how many express such things through their play mechanics? Seems like that would be the natural avenue to take for a videogame, yet it's rarely seen.

Theres a few
Mischief Makers,Romance of the three kingdoms,Black and White,The Sims,God of war,Maniac Mansion

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:24 pm

Macaw wrote:-Metal Black (because of the messed up end battle and general dark atmosphere, and of course the earth ripping in half and having blood and guts inside it)

I thought that at first but when I triggered the bad ending i figured it was the Nemesis planet that gets destroyed.

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