Wii component or Wii2HDMI?

[Zeromemory]

Hello,

I'm curious which one you recommend?

I'm thinking of buying component cable over Ebay, but i don't know how good are those under 10$ price range? I don't want to invest into official cables, since they are overpriced.

Is Wii2Hdmi a good alternative? I've borrowed it and tried it once, but it was a comparison between composite and Wii2Hdmi.

If someone has a good seller, from the EU, I'm more than happy to get some Ebay links.

[AndehX]

Just go with a component cable. Unless you only have access to an HDMI connection.... the Wii2HDMI adapters are just component to HDMI converters, and not very good ones at that.

[Brad251]

I have third party component cables and they work great on both my LCD and CRT. They are Fosmon brand from Amazon. I read quite a few reviews of the Wii2HDMI adapter and decided not to get it because reviewers said that it makes the colors look overblown (as if the contrast and color control were jacked up). Also, based on pictures I have seen of the Wii running on an LCD with this adapter, that is exactly what the picture looks like. Some people also said the adapter gets really warm and I would be concerned about the heat damaging the Wii's multi-out jack.

[Ikaruga11]

I read quite a few reviews of the Wii2HDMI adapter and decided not to get it because reviewers said that it makes the colors look overblown (as if the contrast and color control were jacked up).

Yeah, it's pretty bad.

https://youtu.be/wUn4JKlQ9oY

[HydrogLox]

It may be worth to keep an eye on ebay for a reasonably priced Neoya branded Wii2HDMI if somebody happens to dump one. It does not scale or de-interlace at all - so it outputs 480i/480p over HDMI - so the deinterlacing/scaling is entirely done by the TV provided the resolution is supported over the TV's HDMI input. Typically the deinterlacing/scaling circuitry inside many no-name Wii2HDMI adapters is much inferior to what may be inside the TV.

TheThrillness Blog: Neoya Wii2HDMI Review - Component vs HDMI

[Hoagtech]

I just got a Wii 2 hdmi. I have heard the picture quality isn't great but it helps eliminate input lag because it outputs to your native res 1080 instead of having your tv scale 480 to 1080.

One of the reasons the picture seems worse is because it is not being processed by your tv (which to me is good thing)

Also as a bonus you can use it on your Wii U as well for games like mariokart 8 that output in 720p. I have heard it is much faster than most panels 720p interger scaling

[RocketBelt]

I've got one of the HDMI dongles that doesn't do scaling - it is not Neoya branded but seems to work the same in that the output is slightly overbright. I don't have any complaints though as I like a slightly bright picture.
I agree with everything in that review. It works fine and keeps the cabling neat and tidy.

[ZellSF]

I just got a Wii 2 hdmi. I have heard the picture quality isn't great but it helps eliminate input lag because it outputs to your native res 1080 instead of having your tv scale 480 to 1080.

From everything I've read, very few displays lag more when scaling 480p than displaying 1080p natively. Introducing a separate device that needs a framebuffer to scale however will add lag.

Wii HDMI adapters the scale to 1080p will in most cases have more input lag than ones that don't.

480i/576i titles are another matter entirely, but if you're gaming on a display with HDMI, you really want to replace those with versions that either support 480p natively or can be forced into 480p or 576p.

[Hoagtech]

From everything I've read, very few displays lag more when scaling 480p than displaying 1080p natively.

Quote the opposite sir.

Anything that is not native resolution will have to be "scaled" by your tv to display in your 1080p frame.

If it already 1080 pixels there is no work to be done by your tv other than its own image processing.

[ZellSF]

From everything I've read, very few displays lag more when scaling 480p than displaying 1080p natively.

Quote the opposite sir.

Anything that is not native resolution will have to be "scaled" by your tv to display in your 1080p frame.

If it already 1080 pixels there is no work to be done by your tv other than its own image processing.

But your TV does that processing instantly (people have measured this). An external device that uses a full framebuffer needed for scaling cannot.

[juji82]

I reccomend this mod:


Pluto board with GCvideo for wii

[Hoagtech]

From everything I've read, very few displays lag more when scaling 480p than displaying 1080p natively.

Quote the opposite sir.

Anything that is not native resolution will have to be "scaled" by your tv to display in your 1080p frame.

If it already 1080 pixels there is no work to be done by your tv other than its own image processing.

But your TV does that processing instantly (people have measured this). An external device that uses a full framebuffer needed for scaling cannot.

That's simply not true. 480p interger scaling is bad on most tv panels both in input lag and fidelity.

That is the beauty of the OSSC is that it can line double and output in 480 digital signal that can be fead to a "Dvdo iscan micro". The micro takes the signal and scales from 480 to 1080 in 3-5 macroseconds.

I will say the difference between my tv scaling even the ossc directly at 480p and have the micro scale it is "noticeable" in a game of Mario 3 or megaman 2 on my NES

[Guspaz]

Most TVs don't add any additional lag for 480p signals as compared to 1080p signals, since both go through the same display pipeline. Yours may be one of the exceptions, but generally no additional latency is added. 240p/480i is obviously a different story if the de-interlacer is getting involved.

[orange808]

OEM scalers are crazy fast these days--and crazy terrible at handling classic video games.

Most of us are actually adding some lag with our video processors. The iScan Micro is the only viable external scaler (but not a true video processor) I have used that matches OEM scaler speeds.

For new displays, the standard is clear: A fast low lag display gives you the luxury of adding an external processor to improve image quality, but an external processor won't fix a laggy display.

[Hoagtech]

Well I have may be have closed minded dealing with personal TV set. But it's a nice TV set. The worlds lowest input lag 65" actually: Sony w series 950 b measuring in at 17ms.

The only way I can utilize this Bodnar speed is by bypassing my integer scaler and feeding in at 1080.

Me and my three brothers play a lot of SSMB on GC and the display lag is intolerable connecting through component on my display. The difference the OSSC / Micro combo makes is huge but me and my brother both own the same Sony 950B so we can't test 480p scaling on other sets.

But I do want to share how positive the ossc micro combo has been in my personal experiences. I wish everyone could experience the CRT lag feeling on a modern display

It's so fluid you will wonder what you have been putting up with for the last ten years

@guspaz. How is that sweet crt monitor treating you these days? Last time I checked you had Yarn Yoshi going on it and it looked nice

. I would imagine that lag is incredibly low.

[Brad251]

For what it's worth, I don't notice any lag on my Samsung LN40B650 LCD that was manufactured in '08 when running my Wii and original Xbox over component on it in 480p and I am somewhat sensitive to input lag. Games like Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Melee are very playable. Even when I use emulators on these systems using this setup, input lag is not much of an issue.

[Guspaz]

@guspaz. How is that sweet crt monitor treating you these days? Last time I checked you had Yarn Yoshi going on it and it looked nice

I think you're confusing me with somebody else? I love my 14L5, but I don't own any Yoshi games.

[Zeromemory]

I reccomend this mod:


Pluto board with GCvideo for wii

What kind of mod is this? It's the first time I'm seeing it.

It's ugly though.

[juji82]

IT surely is, but there is not that much space inside a Wii. It is a GCvideo DVI with a pluto board that a friend of mine did on a spare wii. One guy is working on a smaller and better looking solution over the game cube component clone thread. Go check it out

[BuckoA51]

From everything I've read, very few displays lag more when scaling 480p than displaying 1080p natively.

This has been my experience too, the handful of sets I've tested show no difference whatsoever between 480p and 1080p when tested with the lag tester.

[Hoagtech]

Which lag tester? THe BODNAR only measures on native Rez. im looking to set one up to get to the bottom of this .

[ZellSF]

Which lag tester? THe BODNAR only measures on native Rez. im looking to set one up to get to the bottom of this .

Leo Bodnar + Any scaler with a HDMI input that can output to common resolutions (480p, 720p, 1080p)? A DVDO scaler is your best bet and it's just a nice thing to have anyway. If you have a XRGB-mini that should do it too.

[orange808]

It depends on the scaler. Some devices will perform frame rate conversion and that breaks the results from both of my Bodnar devices.

Also, downscaling the output from the Bodnar devices never gives me reliable results.

A camera and the 240p teat suite is still the most reliable way to guess at lag.