Prelude to the Apocalypse

[Durandal]

Looks like I struck a nerve. Take a look in a mirror sometime, all of you.

You're content with dropping the current discussion just like that?

[quash]

What discussion? All I see is deflection and projection. The media sucks and everyone knows it, but somehow the side with the heavily favored candidate can't come to terms with how or why they lost.

You had everything. The media, the electoral college, the millennial vote, etc. Many of you even said that you didn't think Trump would even come close to winning. Yet here we are.

I've already pointed out the main reasons as to why this happened, and others such have Opus have also touched on some of it. You didn't listen to your biggest constituency and you've been ignoring them for years. All it takes in a situation like this to start flipping states is a pied piper.

I will say that this is in no way exclusive to the left, as this closely resembles the state of the Republicans in 07-09.

It may sound like a joke, but you had better hope you get a good celebrity candidate on your side and soon.

[BryanM]

Radical neocon leftist rag The Post declares democratic socialist Martin King a conservative

You're content with dropping the current discussion just like that?

Projection, lashing out, and running away like a coward when proven empirically wrong.

Looks like I struck a nerve thar

but somehow the side with the heavily favored candidate can't come to terms with how or why they lost.

Hey pointdexter, Bernie Sanders lost in March and was heavily opposed by the media

And when I say opposed, I mean for real opposed and not pretend opposition. You ignore someone you want to destroy, you don't give them primetime 24/7 coverage and then click your heels together when he gives you a $2 trillion raise.

[quash]

He was opposed by the DNC, who instructs the media. Unless you're serious about your theory of Hillary being a Trump plant, you may want to think twice about that.

[BulletMagnet]

You had everything.

Except an electorate aware that nearly everything Trump or his party had ever said - and still continue to say - was and is proven nonsense whose implementation would, by design, cost all but the richest among them dearly. But, y'know, not like the media - which everybody knows is hopelessly liberal, no matter how few examples of true bias (it's so systemic you don't even notice! ) are easily called to mind (and even when you do have an arguable case on your hands, it's never enough!), ever had anything to do with that.

You're content with dropping the current discussion just like that?

That might as well be the title of the topic at this point. Either that or "I know you are but what am I?"

[quash]

You and almost everyone else responding to me are either refusing to understand what I'm saying or downright ignoring it (the latter I can demonstrate by all the times I've had to bring up the same responses to your tired talking points time and again).

The DNC was caught red handed instructing media outlets what to publish. All of six newspapers in the entire country endorsed Trump. What the fuck else even needs to be said? This is the definition of bias, and here you are playing the victim, acting as if you didn't have the deck stacked heavily in your favor.

You know what? Don't listen to me. Ensure the Republicans control the US for the rest of time. If you love the Democrats so much, move to California, the state famous for people leaving it.

[Opus131]

Martin King is a massive racist bigot according to SJW standards, so why not make him an evil right-winger as well. Go go left.

[Opus131]

You and almost everyone else responding to me are either refusing to understand what I'm saying or downright ignoring it (the latter I can demonstrate by all the times I've had to bring up the same responses to your tired talking points time and again).

The DNC was caught red handed instructing media outlets what to publish. All of six newspapers in the entire country endorsed Trump. What the fuck else even needs to be said? This is the definition of bias, and here you are playing the victim, acting as if you didn't have the deck stacked heavily in your favor.

You know what? Don't listen to me. Ensure the Republicans control the US for the rest of time. If you love the Democrats so much, move to California, the state famous for people leaving it.

It is like talking to scientologists here. Leftism is a religious cult at this point. They have their world view, and that's it. Reality can go to tell for all they care.

[Mischief Maker]

Martin King is a massive racist bigot according to SJW standards, so why not make him an evil right-winger as well. Go go left.

Hey Opus! Great news for opponents of SJWs!

http://westport.dailyvoice.com/police-f ... in/696124/

[Christopher von Keyserling, 71] allegedly replied: "I love this new world, I no longer have to be politically correct," according to the warrant.

[...]

As she walked by, he allegedly pinched her in the groin area, according to the warrant. She threatened to punch him if he ever did that again, the warrant said.

She said he "looked back with a really evil look in his eyes and said, 'it would be your word against mine and nobody will believe you,'" according to the warrant.

[...]

Police said video footage from a surveillance camera on the day of the incident is consistent with the sequence of events described by the complainant.

Got any stories of your own to share about screaming expletives at feminazis now that daddy Trump has your back?

[MX7]

Looks like Chelsea Manning's sentence has been commuted. So that's pretty cool.

[Opus131]

Martin King is a massive racist bigot according to SJW standards, so why not make him an evil right-winger as well. Go go left.

Hey Opus! Great news for opponents of SJWs!

http://westport.dailyvoice.com/police-f ... in/696124/

[Christopher von Keyserling, 71] allegedly replied: "I love this new world, I no longer have to be politically correct," according to the warrant.

[...]

As she walked by, he allegedly pinched her in the groin area, according to the warrant. She threatened to punch him if he ever did that again, the warrant said.

She said he "looked back with a really evil look in his eyes and said, 'it would be your word against mine and nobody will believe you,'" according to the warrant.

[...]

Police said video footage from a surveillance camera on the day of the incident is consistent with the sequence of events described by the complainant.

Got any stories of your own to share about screaming expletives at feminazis now that daddy Trump has your back?

Ho no, beware of the crotch pincers and pussy grabbers. Truly frightful times ahead.

[BulletMagnet]

This is the definition of bias, and here you are playing the victim, acting as if you didn't have the deck stacked heavily in your favor.

And yet somehow the oft-linked Les Moonves quote which sums up the entire media's attitude towards Trump to a tee, as evidenced by the also-oft-cited billions in largely fact-check-free air time they gave and continue to give him (which you unfailingly interpret as evidence of his "genius at manipulating a clearly hostile media environment" ), and how even those big meanie-face newspapers, as has also been linked more than once, are obediently putting up with far more aggressive anti-press measures from Trump than they ever did under Obama, just don't ever seem to register on your end...and that's before you take into account the decades of bullshit (one more time, kids: tax cuts for rich people are an economic panacea) which ushered this nonsense into office and has never been decisively called out as the farce it is (there's still a healthy debate to be had!). But of course the left are the delusional ones.

And if you want to make a pithy "what else is there to say?" statement, how about how supah-dupah-librul MSNBC and its parent company picked up both Megyn Kelly and Greta Van Susteren from Fox, and had the likes of Rachel Maddow talking up the latter. Oh, and are also paying Trump himself as an executive producer for Celebrity Apprentice. Hey, nothing to see here, right?

By the way, for someone so obsessed with the DNC's emails and the corruption they reveal to the eyes of the truly free thinkers, your unflinching inclination to pooh-pooh both Trump's and his cabinet's scads of business conflicts of interest, not to mention any possibility that anything improper has gone on between him and the despotic head of Russia that he refuses to so much as criticize, your fiery condemnatory skepticism of well-connected power figures and the structures they've built for themselves certainly seems...targeted.

Martin King is a massive racist bigot according to SJW standards, so why not make him an evil right-winger as well.

God almighty, I can't wait to hear you elaborate on this one.

[system11]

Poll is kind of outdated now, Obama did pardon Manning.

[Mischief Maker]

Ho no, beware of the crotch pincers and pussy grabbers. Truly frightful times ahead.

You go into apoplectic fits over aesthetic vulgarities but roll your eyes at sexual assault?

Are you trying to be a Bond villain?

[EmperorIng]

Poll is kind of outdated now, Obama did pardon Manning.

Looks like the hopers and dreamers won out, BryanM.

[supergrafx77]

Poll is kind of outdated now, Obama did pardon Manning.

Looks like the hopers and dreamers won out, BryanM.

Wow. DNC/neoliberal&consAKAglobalists of NWO, really are "worse than prostitutes," as Putin has just claimed.
This isn't a pardon from the heart by Obama and his "intelligence minions," but quite simply, a proselytizing attempt of prostitution levels to exchange Manning for Assange based on Assange's social media broadcasted promise.
CNN/MSNBC, all like, 'so when Assange getting extradited to the US, already?'
Waiting for the pimp, for further details.

[Opus131]

Ho no, beware of the crotch pincers and pussy grabbers. Truly frightful times ahead.

You go into apoplectic fits over aesthetic vulgarities but roll your eyes at sexual assault?

Are you trying to be a Bond villain?

More like i don't buy your hysterics about a wave of pussy grabbers coming out of the wood work in the wake of Trump.

Besides, the left doesn't give a rats ass about sexual assault as long as the perpetrator has brown skin or belongs to a certain religion, so they shouldn't be the one to talk here. The guy was arrested for his crotch pinching extravaganza, what else do you want?

[Opus131]

Martin King is a massive racist bigot according to SJW standards, so why not make him an evil right-winger as well.

God almighty, I can't wait to hear you elaborate on this one.

According to SJWs, not seeing race and judging people by the content of their character is actually racist. Obviously, when your entire world view is based on identity politics things like seeing "past" race or skin color are a big no no.

[quash]

And yet somehow the oft-linked Les Moonves quote which sums up the entire media's attitude towards Trump to a tee, as evidenced by the also-oft-cited billions in largely fact-check-free air time they gave and continue to give him (which you unfailingly interpret as evidence of his "genius at manipulating a clearly hostile media environment" )

Straight from the horse's mouth. They, of course, have no reason to lie about this, because it's their biggest accomplishment.

and how even those big meanie-face newspapers, as has also been linked more than once, are obediently putting up with far more aggressive anti-press measures from Trump than they ever did under Obama, just don't ever seem to register on your end...

Even decidedly left leaning outlets know this is bullishit.

and that's before you take into account the decades of bullshit (one more time, kids: tax cuts for rich people are an economic panacea)

Yes, and overbearing regulation creates prosperity for all.

And if you want to make a pithy "what else is there to say?" statement, how about how supah-dupah-librul MSNBC and its parent company picked up both Megyn Kelly and Greta Van Susteren from Fox

Because Fox is the only network where there was any positive coverage of Trump to contrast the negative. Likewise, the two hosts that made it a point to attack him jumped ship.

Oh, and are also paying Trump himself as an executive producer for Celebrity Apprentice. Hey, nothing to see here, right?

It was probably part of a contract signed well before he announced his candidacy.

your fiery condemnatory skepticism of well-connected power figures and the structures they've built for themselves certainly seems...targeted.

Well-connected lol. Most banks won't even lend to Trump anymore.

That being said, even operating on this premise, one has a proven track record of promising to make things better while consistently making them worse, whereas the other has a solid plan to improve, among other things, the US' priorities in regards to the second and third strongest nations in the world (one of which is a revisionist government attempting to claim power, the other is barely surviving).

[brokenhalo]

Straight from the horse's mouth. They, of course, have no reason to lie about this, because it's their biggest accomplishment.

Did you even read the article that you quoted? The "study" was done by a website called "Newsbusters" (exposing & combating liberal media bias. Lol.) I'll just quote one of their charts and let you try and figure out why the majority of trump coverage was negative. I'll nudge you in the right direction; How exactly does one put a positive spin on "grab her by the pussy"?

[BryanM]

The poll was more of a rhetorical "is the democratic party even worth saving?" kind of question. If a single person, even as a joke, could say this was possible, then maybe there is something to salvage.

Before the signaling this week that he was actually really going to do it, only one single person said they believed it was even a possibility. (Briefly a second person said they thought so, but quickly changed their mind.) That says something about how cynical and jaded we've become with Obama - if this same kind of hypothetical were asked about him during 2008, I think a lot more of us would have thought it a possibility.

It's such a mixed bag Obama has been - he can do things that are actually really good. But he's ruined the Democratic party and lost the PR war. The man walked into the office with a 70% approval rating - I'm not sure Jesus has numbers that high. And the first thing he pushed for was the Affordable Care Act, a neoliberal mixed bag that's difficult to explain and defend. Would the "keep your hands off my medicare!" woman been as furious if the plan had been to expand Medicare to cover everyone?

For those who aren't devoted Obama watchers, the man used to be an advocate of single payer healthcare. Then, in an interview, he explained he changed his mind on that. Why? Supposedly: Because he didn't want to lose all those jobs in the Health Insurance industry. Yeah.

Similarly, he's currently doing everything in his power to oppose Keith Ellison for DNC chair.

When the spotlight's on him, he's willing to do good or sometimes even great things. But not always when it's in the dark, when no one's watching.

From my lovecraftian perspective, the success or failure of a president is based on how much they've moved public opinion, and how strong their political party is. By this metric, Obama has been a complete failure, the only career he fought for was his own. It would have been better if he never ran if he was just going to be a speedbump. Thanks to his neglect, abuse and disinterest, we have this now. Thanks Obama.

But on the other hand, we're not at war with Iran, relations with Cuba are better, and a lot of people who shouldn't be in jail in the first place have a second chance at life. So really, thanks Obama.

_____


As for Trump, will he have a similar downgrade in support like Obama had in 2012 vs 2008 after everyone realized he worked for Citigroup? I'm sure there will be a few disaffected at the shock that the man lied to get elected, but it'll probably be counteracted by people liking him more as he sticks around and doesn't nuke anyone. You just kinda get used to someone when they never go away.

And just like there were people who'd never say anything bad about Obama, the same will hold for Trump.

Our good friend Ben Garrison is a great example. Man loves Trump more than anyone. He doesn't love the sludge monsters he's surrounding himself with. He's literally using the same exact argument that Obama apologists did here: he's hiring these crooks because they know where the bodies are buried.

Uh huh. 11th dimensional chess again, is it?

Time really is a flat circle.

[BulletMagnet]

Straight from the horse's mouth. They, of course, have no reason to lie about this, because it's their biggest accomplishment.

Aside from what brokenhalo already mentioned, I'd love to know how much of that shamelessly "negative" coverage was straight-up "yeah, what Trump said is completely factually false" coverage, since there was, out of sheer necessity, more of that (but still nowhere near enough to keep up with his bottomless geyser of bullshit ) than in any election in memory, and, in case you conveniently forgot, that's not bias.

Even decidedly left leaning outlets know this is bullishit.

Yet again, you're being gleefully obtuse; all that article says is that Obama frequently made things hard for the media, which I already acknowledged in my previous post. The point, which you once again refuse to touch, is that under Obama, journalists actually not only complained but took action in response to this: under Trump, who's even more openly hostile to coverage (and he's not even in office yet!), those fiery liberal stalwarts are sitting there and taking it.

Yes, and overbearing regulation creates prosperity for all.

Refuse to address, let alone acknowledge, it all you want, but the fact of the matter remains that during the very same idyll era Trump and company supposedly want to return us to, corporations were far more closely regulated than they are today, unions were at their strongest, and the top tax rate was 90 percent. But somehow they always forget to mention that part; couldn't possibly be any connection, right?

Moreover, Kellyanne, it's absolutely amazing how many times I bring up, as just one example, the "tax cuts for rich people" nonsense and you refuse to directly address it - look over there, a liberal doing something totally equivalent, I swear!

Because Fox is the only network where there was any positive coverage of Trump to contrast the negative. Likewise, the two hosts that made it a point to attack him jumped ship.

You really never do get tired of the "everyone else is so biased in one direction, we HAVE to be openly nuts in the other direction!" get-out-of-debate-free card, do you? Maybe they should have taken up residence at the New York Times instead. And in terms of said hosts' rabid opposition to Trump, it sure was polite of Kelly to keep all those allegations under wraps until after the election, wasn't it? If a CNN journalist (y'know, aside from super-liberal Jeff Lord or Corey Lewandowski ) was found to have sat on a similar series of stories about Clinton you'd be having a non-stop conniption from that day to this.

It was probably part of a contract signed well before he announced his candidacy.

...which of course means that it's automatically not a conflict of interest, and that there's no reason whatsoever for concern on either end, right? Give me a break.

Well-connected lol. Most banks won't even lend to Trump anymore.

One, that's almost certainly because he's a god-awful businessman and a crook who constantly goes back on his contractual obligations; totally biased on their part! Two, Trump constantly bragged during the campaign about how many powerful people he had under his thumb, how they'd jump whenever he wanted something, how only he was in deep enough to know what was really going on and how to fix it - it never made a lick of sense to me how he could both be in neck-deep and completely independent of it all, but I guess I was just being silly.

And I can't wait to see just how solid his plans turn out to be.

According to SJWs, not seeing race and judging people by the content of their character is actually racist.

...what the actual fuck are you talking about? I think you just have shit like this on constant loop somewhere within that cavernous skull of yours.

Finally, on the Manning commutation, right on cue Nixon's favorite boy toy re-emerges from the woodwork.

[Opus131]

Jesus Christ dude, just stop:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ot-helping

Not being racist is actually racist, because you cannot not be racist. Or something, i don't know.

Judging people by the content of their character, rather than the color of their skin, actually contributes to racism:

http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/02/col ... to-racism/

Why? Reasons.

Actually, it is because SWJs need racism. Without it their existence would have no meaning. And it's not like we need any proof that for them the character of an individual is irrelevant, and that all that matters is a person's identity.

[Mischief Maker]

Jesus Christ dude, just stop:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ot-helping

Not being racist is actually racist, because you cannot not be racist. Or something, i don't know.

Judging people be the content of their character, rather than the color of their skin, actually contributes to racism:

http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/02/col ... to-racism/

Why? Reasons.

Actually, it is because SWJs need racism. Without it their existence would have no meaning. And it's not like we need any proof that for them the character of an individual is irrelevant, and that all that matters is a person's identity.

Boy, it sure is easy to prop up MLK as your champion now that he's safely dead and can't speak for himself. You get to cherry-pick the three lines he's said that are acceptable to the mainstream and say, "See? See? I don't see anything in this one selectively chosen quote that suggests he'd disagree with Trump!" In fact, thanks to an assassin's bullet, Right-Wing pundits even get to use selectively quoted MLK as a club against Black Lives Matter!

Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn. The reality of substantial investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for all too many white Americans…These are the deepest causes for contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He remembers that with each modest advance the white population promptly raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash.

(Emphasis added)

The poll was more of a rhetorical "is the democratic party even worth saving?" kind of question. If a single person, even as a joke, could say this was possible, then maybe there is something to salvage.

It's a question of people vs institutions. I look at political parties as tools, like a car. Just because Cory Booker drives like an asshole doesn't mean he can't be pushed out of the driver's seat and replaced with someone who knows how to stay in the correct lane. Going third party means trying to quickly assemble a brand new car from scratch while your opponent is already squealing away from the starting line. And in the unlikely event that you succeed, who's to say the next person behind the wheel in the Greens' car won't be an asshole, either?

[BryanM]

I agree. They want to push us out and are happy to continue to lose as long as they get paid for it. All the more reason to GET IN THERE.

#DEMENTRY

It's the only game in town.

Boy, it sure is easy to prop up MLK as your champion now that he's safely dead and can't speak for himself.

MLK advocated a guaranteed minimum income to end poverty outright, an extreme position even today. There's never been a man more hated by the establishment than MLK. It's an affront to basic decency any of these reprehensible creatures and institutions would drape themselves in his corpse. (The most risible one perhaps being the FBI.)

Similar complaint: Mother Jones Magazine being named after Mother Jones. Mother Jones the person was a pro-labor socialist, also extremely hated for rallying coal miners against their oppressors. The magazine is, of course, another neoliberal rag that regurgitates whatever hack talking points of the day are.

Who the hell needs FOX News when you have Mother Jones?

[Mischief Maker]

Similar complaint: Mother Jones Magazine being named after Mother Jones. Mother Jones the person was a pro-labor socialist, also extremely hated for rallying coal miners against their oppressors. The magazine is, of course, another neoliberal rag that regurgitates whatever hack talking points of the day are.

Who the hell needs FOX News when you have Mother Jones?

Reminds me of the time a school was built in Madison with non-union labor and named Cesar Chavez elementary.

Juan Jose Lopez, a Latino board member, argued Monday for the name. He said Chavez was first a Latino leader and union organizing was only one facet of his life.

"He died in struggling for, yes, the union cause, but most importantly, for Latinos in this country," Lopez said.

Neoliberals in a nutshell.

[Rob]

[Domino]

The Senate Hearings are lol worthy. Even with some of terrible responses from Betsy Devos, most likely she will still get in.

Just interesting over the whole discussion of schools regarding public and school choices/Charter. I'm never planning to have kids, but my coworkers who have families are always picking the Charter School/Private route over Public Edition since in their words: "I just want to give my child the best education, regardless of the cost." Most of them aren't even the crazy liberals or conservative types, they just want to provide their children the best education they can afford. Then again, since I live in Jacksonville, FL, Duval County is well known to have a so-so public education system. Instead, the county below Duval, St. Johns County, is rated the best public school system in the state. Of course it is also richest county in the state in regards to median income and assets from the population. Yes, rich white folks pay tons of property taxes in the county to fund the school system in the county (FYI FL has no state income tax).

One other thing I notice about the Education battle: The people who don't have kids are the most vocal about Charter Schools or 100% Public Education. The ones who have kids aren't too vocal about it.

[BulletMagnet]

I'm less concerned about the sound bites than I am about the fact that, during DeVos's tenure in Michigan, the state's NAEP ranking dropped dramatically; white kids made one or two very limited score gains (which will be the only thing you'll ever hear about, rephrased as her "record of success" and a reinforcement of the pressing need for more privatization at taxpayer expense), black kids' scores actually dropped slightly, and most importantly compared to every other state in the nation progress (where it even existed) was incredibly lacking; before she started Michigan was middle-of-the-pack in this area, once she was done it was near the bottom. Feel free to spend some time here to see for yourself.

Guaranteed: you will never see this discussed. Anywhere. Liberal or conservative. Ever.

[BryanM]

A depressing fact about 'merica if true via the Guardian:

To celebrate its 225th anniversary, the US Mint and Treasury last week unveiled plans to issue a 24-carat commemorative coin depicting Lady Liberty as an African-American woman.

....

The coin is worth $100 (£80); in 2010 the median net wealth for women of colour was calculated at just $5.