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480p Scaler Recommendation

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I am simply looking for the fastest way to stream 480p and output at 1080p.

I currently have the Framemeister and would love similar features such as fast image processing and hopefullly bypass my tv's interger scaling so 1080p output is a must.

I can imagine it's been asked but it wouldn't hurt to get a modern update on available solutions.

Which scaler would you recommend for just 480p content. I have a bunch of 2k era consoles that could use a facelift.
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OSSC?
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DVDO iScan Micro is the fastest I have ever used. There have been mixed results on the forum, but I have seen some pictures of decent results at 1080p. Your milage may vary.

If and when you are not upscaling a 480p signal, you will need to add a line doubler.

Check this thead:
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=90

Once again, your milage may vary. I was not happy with the micro.
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AndehX wrote:OSSC?
The ossc is not a scaler it's a doubler/tripler. I plan on using its lossless powers to feed my scaler an easier to use signal than for my 240p games.

orange808 wrote:DVDO iScan Micro is the fastest I have ever used. There have been mixed results on the forum, but I have seen some pictures of decent results at 1080p. Your milage may vary.

If and when you are not upscaling a 480p signal, you will need to add a line doubler.

Check this thead:
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=90

Once again, your milage may vary. I was not happy with the micro.
Well I have heard those do not support the line triple mode for my classics on the OSSC. I could potentially buy one just for my component consoles. Also the I haven't been able to find frame delay on the Micro and it's dinky form factor scares me.

Is the iscan Micro the pinnacle of GameCube and Xbox games in the modern era?

I don't know, but I would like to
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I guess the pinnacle would be emulation, due to native rendering at higher resolution.
Of course though you may want to play with the original hardware, in wich case I think the PMS Crystalio II is still regarded as the best upscaler for 480p material (see Fudoh's invaluable website http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/). Unfortunately, it has become quite rare nowadays. Once in a while one still pops up on ebay though (that's how I got mine).

Edit: I might add that if what you're after is faster processing above all else, then yeah DVDO units may be what you're looking for due to their gamemode setting.
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Hoagtech wrote:
AndehX wrote:OSSC?
The ossc is not a scaler it's a doubler/tripler. I plan on using its lossless powers to feed my scaler an easier to use signal than for my 240p games.

orange808 wrote:DVDO iScan Micro is the fastest I have ever used. There have been mixed results on the forum, but I have seen some pictures of decent results at 1080p. Your milage may vary.

If and when you are not upscaling a 480p signal, you will need to add a line doubler.

Check this thead:
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=90

Once again, your milage may vary. I was not happy with the micro.
Well I have heard those do not support the line triple mode for my classics on the OSSC. I could potentially buy one just for my component consoles. Also the I haven't been able to find frame delay on the Micro and it's dinky form factor scares me.

Is the iscan Micro the pinnacle of GameCube and Xbox games in the modern era?

I don't know, but I would like to
I'm using an DVDO iScan vp50pro.

I also have a vp50, it does a nice job as well.
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orange808 wrote:
Hoagtech wrote:
AndehX wrote:OSSC?
The ossc is not a scaler it's a doubler/tripler. I plan on using its lossless powers to feed my scaler an easier to use signal than for my 240p games.

orange808 wrote:DVDO iScan Micro is the fastest I have ever used. There have been mixed results on the forum, but I have seen some pictures of decent results at 1080p. Your milage may vary.

If and when you are not upscaling a 480p signal, you will need to add a line doubler.

Check this thead:
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=90

Once again, your milage may vary. I was not happy with the micro.
Well I have heard those do not support the line triple mode for my classics on the OSSC. I could potentially buy one just for my component consoles. Also the I haven't been able to find frame delay on the Micro and it's dinky form factor scares me.

Is the iscan Micro the pinnacle of GameCube and Xbox games in the modern era?

I don't know, but I would like to
I'm using an DVDO iScan vp50pro.

I also have a vp50, it does a nice job as well.
I was after the VP50 pro until I saw the price tags. I guess you pay to play huh?
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The whole DVDO range does a pretty good job of upscaling 480p, which usually still excels what many modern TVs offer. This includes the older units (like the iScan HD/HD+), but there are limitations (e.g. their internal 4:2:2 processing) and once you start looking for REALLY good 480p upscaling, it starts to get complicated.
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Fudoh wrote:The whole DVDO range does a pretty good job of upscaling 480p, which usually still excels what many modern TVs offer. This includes the older units (like the iScan HD/HD+), but there are limitations (e.g. their internal 4:2:2 processing) and once you start looking for REALLY good 480p upscaling, it starts to get complicated.
Have you gotten a chance to use the Micro?

At least it's affordable
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I don't have a Micro, but I have the iScan Mini and afaik it's the same scaling minus all the settings and options.
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Hoagtech wrote:
orange808 wrote:DVDO iScan Micro is the fastest I have ever used. There have been mixed results on the forum, but I have seen some pictures of decent results at 1080p. Your milage may vary.

If and when you are not upscaling a 480p signal, you will need to add a line doubler.

Check this thead:
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=90
Well I have heard those do not support the line triple mode for my classics on the OSSC. I could potentially buy one just for my component consoles. Also the I haven't been able to find frame delay on the Micro and it's dinky form factor scares me.
Did you actually read the thread? Several things were stated there:
*Accepts OSSC linetriple (need to set output to HDMI mode).
*Image is overly sharp (causes ringing) but this can be offset if your display can soften by setting image sharpness into negative range (or equivalent).
*Lag is in the microseconds. Yes, microseconds.
*480i handling is poor
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Harrumph wrote:
Hoagtech wrote:
orange808 wrote:DVDO iScan Micro is the fastest I have ever used. There have been mixed results on the forum, but I have seen some pictures of decent results at 1080p. Your milage may vary.

If and when you are not upscaling a 480p signal, you will need to add a line doubler.

Check this thead:
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=90
Well I have heard those do not support the line triple mode for my classics on the OSSC. I could potentially buy one just for my component consoles. Also the I haven't been able to find frame delay on the Micro and it's dinky form factor scares me.
Did you actually read the thread? Several things were stated there:
*Accepts OSSC linetriple (need to set output to HDMI mode).
*Image is overly sharp (causes ringing) but this can be offset if your display can soften by setting image sharpness into negative range (or equivalent).
*Lag is in the microseconds. Yes, microseconds.
*480i handling is poor

On the "My life in gaming" review. They were not able to accept the line triple mode on the iscan Micro.

And no I did not read the review. I did not know one was done already.

That lag is impressive.
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