Hori Fighting Stick 2 vs. Sega Saturn Virtua Stick (Ps2)

autechre · Post by **autechre** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:03 pm

Hi,
I wanted to buy a Stick for my PS2 for playing shmups. I dont want to mod the Stick and i dont want to spend too much money. can anybody recommend one of these sticks for ps2?
Thank you

hori fighting stick : http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?catego ... f0ac613246

virtua stick: http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?catego ... f0ac613246

oxtsu · Post by **oxtsu** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:34 pm

Virtua Stick, hands down. Much better stick+buttons.

autechre · Post by **autechre** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:25 pm

Thanks for your help!

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:26 pm

I've got both of these. The japanese Sega Virtua Stick totally destroys the Hori Fighting Stick 2 for shmups...

it290 · Post by **it290** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:58 pm

I would recommend the Hori RAP over either, personally. It's a little more expensive than the Virtua, but only by about 10 bucks.

Limbrooke · Post by **Limbrooke** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:26 pm

I concur with the HRAP.
I recently got one and it's a beaut. Not a bad starter stick either. If only they had more expanded releases of the Special Edition and Special Addition. From what I've discussed it appears they too are quite reliable.

KBZ · Post by **KBZ** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:09 pm

HRAP is hailed as THE best retail stick around. Although those news sega A-sticks might take the throne soon (if you can afford it :p)

Virtua Stick doesn't use sanwa parts at all, and are apparently a bit difficult to mod. It uses parts made by sega iirc.

I still think the best route is getting a dc agetec stick and modding it with a sanwa stick, but if yr gonna go retail.... it's either the HRAP or the Virtua Stick.

By the way limbrooke. what part of ontario are you from?

oxtsu · Post by **oxtsu** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:57 pm

Kingbuzzo wrote: Virtua Stick doesn't use sanwa parts at all, and are apparently a bit difficult to mod. It uses parts made by sega iirc.

It's not that difficult to mod, compared to Agetec/Sega DC stick which is perhaps the most difficult. This newest PS2 version doesn't use 'Sega' parts, it is all Seimitsu (LS-33-01 stick, PS-15 buttons).

autechre · Post by **autechre** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:31 pm

Kingbuzzo wrote:HRAP is hailed as THE best retail stick around. Although those news sega A-sticks might take the throne soon (if you can afford it :p)

Virtua Stick doesn't use sanwa parts at all, and are apparently a bit difficult to mod. It uses parts made by sega iirc.

I still think the best route is getting a dc agetec stick and modding it with a sanwa stick, but if yr gonna go retail.... it's either the HRAP or the Virtua Stick.

By the way limbrooke. what part of ontario are you from?

I already own a DC Stick. Is there a way to mod it to use it for both consoles (ps2 and dreamcast)? I heard those Pad converters often cause trouble?

So the Hori RAP has better quality parts than the virtua stick?

Thanks for all your help!

thchardcore · Post by **thchardcore** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:32 pm

Yellow/grey Namco sticks are the hardest to mod, DC agetecs aren't that hard at all.

oxtsu · Post by **oxtsu** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:35 pm

Wrong.

KBZ · Post by **KBZ** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:06 am

autechre wrote:I already own a DC Stick. Is there a way to mod it to use it for both consoles (ps2 and dreamcast)? I heard those Pad converters often cause trouble?

So the Hori RAP has better quality parts than the virtua stick?

Thanks for all your help!

yes there is, I'm in the middle of doing such a thing now.

You need to essentialy have wires going from the buttons of your dc pad to the buttons on a psx pad. Currently, there are no adapters for dc->ps2.

Modding a DC pad for ps2 + sanwa parts is probably one of the most frequent mods you'll see at all the fighting tournaments. A solid and cost effective solution.

I have my butons and directions soldered to a vga port on my stick, and I do the same with a psx pad, then connect the two with a vga cord, plug in the ps2 and yr ready to rock.

hacking the dc stick is easy as all hell but for a psx pad it's a bit trickier depending on which kind you use. I'd HIGHLY recomend the solderless hack seen on this website

http://home.comcast.net/~spiffyshoes/DualShockHack/

This guy shows how to mod it for semitsu parts (and sanwa soon)

http://www.tychom.org/stick/

oh ya, This guy is showing his process of modding the virtua stick for better parts and multiconsole support.

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108984

good luck!

Limbrooke · Post by **Limbrooke** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:58 am

Kingbuzzo wrote:HRAP is hailed as THE best retail stick around. Although those news sega A-sticks might take the throne soon (if you can afford it :p)

Virtua Stick doesn't use sanwa parts at all, and are apparently a bit difficult to mod. It uses parts made by sega iirc.

I still think the best route is getting a dc agetec stick and modding it with a sanwa stick, but if yr gonna go retail.... it's either the HRAP or the Virtua Stick.

By the way limbrooke. what part of ontario are you from?

I'm the GTA. I ordered my HRAP from Play-Asia and it took 2 days, while Espgaluda from California took 12

.
Nice to meet you.

oxtsu: If the Virtua Stick has Seimitsu then that's a good stick too.

KBZ · Post by **KBZ** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:19 am

Limbrooke wrote:I'm the GTA. I ordered my HRAP from Play-Asia and it took 2 days, while Espgaluda from California took 12 .
Nice to meet you.

oxtsu: If the Virtua Stick has Seimitsu then that's a good stick too.

so uuhh... london ontario? O_o

Virtua Stick definately does not have seimitsu parts.

Limbrooke · Post by **Limbrooke** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:27 pm

Kingbuzzo wrote:
Limbrooke wrote:I'm the GTA. I ordered my HRAP from Play-Asia and it took 2 days, while Espgaluda from California took 12 .
Nice to meet you.

oxtsu: If the Virtua Stick has Seimitsu then that's a good stick too.
so uuhh... london ontario? O_o

Virtua Stick definately does not have seimitsu parts.

Oops, I meant GTA, so Greater Toronto Area.

thchardcore · Post by **thchardcore** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:36 pm

I've modded 3 DC agetecs, they're quite simple.

Namcos on the otherhand will not fit a JLF without some serious enginuity and without swapping the HORI shaft and actuator.

So, right back at you Oxstu

oxtsu · Post by **oxtsu** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:46 pm

hahaha ... :) There's a much easier way to mod the Namco, while still retaining full Sanwa parts. Simply put spacer pipes in between the bottom panel and control housing. This is also useful for modding Hori T4/VF4/SCII sticks. The Sega DC stick on the other hand requires drilling and cutting. Not that difficult, less so with power tools, but more work than the Namco for sure.

KBZ · Post by **KBZ** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:09 pm

There's no fully reliable source for this,

but the folks at SRK say that the Virtua Stick has a seimitsu stick in it.

can someone clarify this?

oxtsu · Post by **oxtsu** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:39 pm

Read my second post in this thread.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:49 pm

hows the soul calibur II stick rate in the spectrum of off the shelf ps2 sticks? i've got a deal in the works where i can get two of them (jp, boxes included) shipped for less than a RAP or virtua (off play-asia) before shipping is tacked on.

and the only western online shop i know of that carries sticks is NCSX, and they are out of stock on everything...

SAM · Post by **SAM** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:12 pm

Some infomation:

Sega Virtua Stick
33cm(L) x 22cm(W) x 5cm(H)
Customization Possibility: The joystick could not be removed

, the base is thick enough to host Sanwa OBSF-30GS buttons.
(That means the joystick cannot be replaced when it finally failed.)

Hori RAP
40cm(L) x 24cm(W) x 8cm(H) (Huge?!?!

)
Comes installed with Sanwa JLF
Customization Possibility:Can mounted a Seimitsu LS-32 for more sensitive shmups action, the base is thick enough to host Sanwa OBSF-30GS buttons.
Other Notes: It's very heavy.

Hori Fighting Stick 2
Don't know much about it.

raiden · Post by **raiden** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:18 pm

I´m getting curious: Is it true the Virtua stick has Seimitsu parts (especially: is the stick Seimitsu?) or isn´t it true? After comparing Seimitsu and Sanwa recently, I´m convinced Seimitsu is much better suited to my needs.

KBZ · Post by **KBZ** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:34 pm

if the PS2 Virtua stick has seimitsu parts, then it's probably the only one virtua stick to have them.

It looks to be much more comfortable than a hrap given it's smaller size. Although the Stick seems to sit a bit high for SF style gamplay.

some say that is has some issues with some adapters. I wouldn't mind trying this stick out with my dc adapters to see how it does.