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[Ikaruga11]

Thanks

So a PS3 Slim running HDMI ---> BNC (not SDI) on a BVM is the way to go in terms of picture quality? Is HDCP disabled from the HDMI -> BNC conversion?

[Fudoh]

The converter (e.g. a HDFury) will have to take care of the HDCP encryption.

[vol.2]

I'm getting this tearing at the top of the screen when trying to use my extron rgb 203. I'm using PS2-sync strike-ex203-pvm2030.

I tried to adjust the SERR switch, but it didn't help. I also tried jumping the Extron for positive sync and negative sync but didn't help. I didn't try jumping the sync to to the tip. Not sure if I should. The tearing goes away if I turn off ADSP, but that's the whole reason I bought it so I can do HV adjustment.


Tearing Tearing https://imgur.com/a/dxU2V

Do I have a broken Extron?

[Woozle]

Does Retro Console Accessories still offer coax cables? Has anyone used them, and if so, do they eliminate any audio buzzing?

As far as I can tell the only way to eliminate all buzzing is to wire in audio connectors with their own separate ground- has anyone found success with other methods?

I have coax cables from her, but I have SNES BNC coax cables going into an extron crosspoint then coax cables to framemeister. Audio goes through the crosspoint with Phoenix connectors. I haven't noticed audio buzzing but then again I haven't listened very closely.

[Shoryukev]

I hooked up my wii with component cables and played some Rondo of Blood in 240p on the virtual console last night, and I am rather happy to use that option for Turbografx since I don't currently own the console. It looks pretty great honestly! Does anyone have any suggestions for getting 240p out of 480i titles on the wii?

I would like to try and play Megaman 9 & CV Adventure Rebirth in 240p (as well as maybe some select gamecube games), is there maybe a piece of Extron hardware I can buy that would have a component video input that would convert 480i to 240p?

I'm thinking my only option is probably softmodding my wii and using a PAL SCART cable and homebrew software to force output of NTSC 480i over SCART, and then using a SCART to BNC adapter to plug that into maybe an Extron RGB interface for the 240p trick. I don't currently own an Extron RGB but I do have an Extron VSC700 I use with my PC for MAME....and now that I have a way of displaying RGB on my main CRT I need to get one anyways. If I could use it with the wii too that would be great!

[Fudoh]

is there maybe a piece of Extron hardware I can buy that would have a component video input that would convert 480i to 240p?

all the RGB interfaces work with YUV just as well. Gets treated like RGsB. Luma goes to the G input.

[Einzelherz]

WiiWare stuff is pretty locked up. Most VC things can do 240p. I recommend Wiimednafen for TG16 emulation. It's my alternative to climbing into that hole.

[Shoryukev]

is there maybe a piece of Extron hardware I can buy that would have a component video input that would convert 480i to 240p?

all the RGB interfaces work with YUV just as well. Gets treated like RGsB. Luma goes to the G input.

This I did not know, excellent! I need to get an RGB interface anyways to work with my VSC for mame

WiiWare stuff is pretty locked up. Most VC things can do 240p. I recommend Wiimednafen for TG16 emulation. It's my alternative to climbing into that hole.

I'll look into this, chances are I'll end up softmodding anyways just to get the games I want on there. Thanks guys!

[vol.2]

You switch between 480i and 240p by toggling the DDSP switch. The same switch disables the sync processing. Wether the on of off position of that switch will get you 480i or 240p depends on the sync polarity.

All Extron interfaces require clean sync. Composite or Luma for sync won't work.

Fudoh, would you have any ideas about my Extron 203 issue? I am getting weird tearing at the top of my screen. I tried changing polarities of sync, also changing the "SERR" dip switch as the manual mentions in the troubleshooting section.

example of the tearing (flagging maybe?) https://imgur.com/gallery/dxU2V

[Shoryukev]

You switch between 480i and 240p by toggling the DDSP switch. The same switch disables the sync processing. Wether the on of off position of that switch will get you 480i or 240p depends on the sync polarity.

The RGB 120P doesn't have the switches labeled, but in the manual switch #5 seems to be what you're describing (no sync-processing ON/normal sync processing OFF). I can find a couple of these online for pennies (about $15 shipped), and it has both H and V shift controls so it seems like a good option.

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/50537 ... e=2#manual

[Einzelherz]

is there maybe a piece of Extron hardware I can buy that would have a component video input that would convert 480i to 240p?

all the RGB interfaces work with YUV just as well. Gets treated like RGsB. Luma goes to the G input.

This I did not know, excellent! I need to get an RGB interface anyways to work with my VSC for mame

WiiWare stuff is pretty locked up. Most VC things can do 240p. I recommend Wiimednafen for TG16 emulation. It's my alternative to climbing into that hole.

I'll look into this, chances are I'll end up softmodding anyways just to get the games I want on there. Thanks guys!

PM me if you need help softmodding.

[Shoryukev]

PM me if you need help softmodding.

I found a couple youtube tutorials that seem to cover everything, but I definitely will do that if I come to any roadblocks.
There's a lot to be said about the community here, the shmups people are awesome!

[Ikaruga11]

So wait, you download a 240p .wad of MegaMan 9/10 instead of modifying the actual VC version?

[bobrocks95]

Fairly certain nobody has ever gotten MM 9 or 10 running in native 240p.

[vol.2]

You switch between 480i and 240p by toggling the DDSP switch. The same switch disables the sync processing. Wether the on of off position of that switch will get you 480i or 240p depends on the sync polarity.

The RGB 120P doesn't have the switches labeled, but in the manual switch #5 seems to be what you're describing (no sync-processing ON/normal sync processing OFF). I can find a couple of these online for pennies (about $15 shipped), and it has both H and V shift controls so it seems like a good option.

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/50537 ... e=2#manual

I'm glad that was useful info to you, here is the thread i found about this, maybe should be stickied...

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 9&start=60

But man, I still can't figure out what's wrong with my setup! I just want to play some Tekken 2 in the center of my screen!

[FinalBaton]

all the RGB interfaces work with YUV just as well. Gets treated like RGsB. Luma goes to the G input.

wow, didn't know that! that's awesome, makes the interface even more useful than I thought it was. And I already thought it was really damn useful

[zimes]

For people with PVMs or BVMs: do you play SD videos (pre-HD TV shows, video tapes, etc.) on your monitors? What do you play them on (standalone DVD player? old DVD capable video consoles? component or RGB?), and how do they look? Yes, I know they were used for video editing, but I am wondering if people prefer video playback on their PVMs/BVMs or their HDTVs. I'm not aware of a previous thread where this is discussed, and I am just curious.

[tacoguy64]

It's been a while since I had a pre-hd set up but for movies I usually just use my plasma. Though I suppose if i were to get a pre-hd set up, my NEC monitor would do the job quite nicely.

[FinalBaton]

For people with PVMs or BVMs: do you play SD videos (pre-HD TV shows, video tapes, etc.) on your monitors? What do you play them on (standalone DVD player? old DVD capable video consoles? component or RGB?), and how do they look? Yes, I know they were used for video editing, but I am wondering if people prefer video playback on their PVMs/BVMs or their HDTVs. I'm not aware of a previous thread where this is discussed, and I am just curious.

I sometimes watch old anime on DVD on a PVM. The PVM has component inputs so I plug a DVD player in there, set the monitor to Component and voilà!

When I want to watch on my big NEC monitor (which doesn't accept component), I use my DVD player's HDMI connection and use a generic HDMI-to-VGA converter. This works really well to my eyes, but I haven't tried a HDFury so I can't compare to that.

[vol.2]

So far, I was using my PS2 DVD player to play stuff via RGB on the PMV. I think it looks great. Cowboy Bebop looks phenomenal. My PMV doesn't have YUV inputs, so RGB is my best option.

[FinalBaton]

So far, I was using my PS2 DVD player to play stuff via RGB on the PMV. I think it looks great. Cowboy Bebop looks phenomenal. My PMV doesn't have YUV inputs, so RGB is my best option.

I hadn't thought about the PS2 for getiing RGB out of DVDs! Since DVD players with RGB SCART sockets never were sold here, this is our only way to get a RGBs 240p (and also 480p RGsB) feed for NTSC DVDs without a converter.

But if I remember correctly, Fudoh stated that the PS2 wasn't exactly a stellar DVD player...

I guess if you can import a DVD player with an RGB SCART output, if there are ones that do 60Hz (are there some that do that?)

Also I just remembered something : you can play DVDs on your PC and use it's VGA output to display that on your monitor.

(I have a multisync monitor which accepts a crapton of PC resolutions, so this works great for me).

My prefered option is still with the setup I described in my post above : DVD or Blu-Ray player with DVI or HDMI, through a converter, into monitor. This has the benefits of letting me watch 4:3 blu-ray content on my monitor!

[FinalBaton]

So far, I was using my PS2 DVD player to play stuff via RGB on the PMV. I think it looks great. Cowboy Bebop looks phenomenal. My PMV doesn't have YUV inputs, so RGB is my best option.

Aren't DVDs encoded in YUV though? I just remembered that I once tried to display DVDs through the ps2 SCART cable and it didn't work, so I assumed that was the reason why. *shrugs*

[Fudoh]

Unmodded PS2 systems disable RGB when playing back DVDs. They default to YUV colorspace, which gives you a green tinted picture when using DVDs with the RGB cable. There's a small soldering fix available (RGB fix), but this generally disables component output. This was some kind of copy protection as Sony's side as RGBs can't carry the Macrovision copy protection which is enforced on DVD playback.

[FinalBaton]

That explains it! I get a green tinted picture indeed when playing DVDs with the PS2 set to RGB, through the SCART cable.

[zimes]

I sometimes watch old anime on DVD on a PVM. The PVM has component inputs so I plug a DVD player in there, set the monitor to Component and voilà!

When I want to watch on my big NEC monitor (which doesn't accept component), I use my DVD player's HDMI connection and use a generic HDMI-to-VGA converter. This works really well to my eyes, but I haven't tried a HDFury so I can't compare to that.

Very cool! I was thinking it would be nice to watch old anime and cartoons, especially early seasons of The Simpsons. Is your DVD player a "normal" or high-end player?

I imagine it would be great to watch 4:3 content on a PVM. The widescreen BVMs would probably be nice for shows that switched aspect ratios -- for example, season one of Angel is 4:3 on DVD but widescreen for the remaining seasons.

I've come across HDFury a couple times doing research. From what I can gather, they are very nice, but I'm speaking as someone new to video conversion technology.

[FinalBaton]

Very cool! I was thinking it would be nice to watch old anime and cartoons, especially early seasons of The Simpsons. Is your DVD player a "normal" or high-end player?

I imagine it would be great to watch 4:3 content on a PVM. The widescreen BVMs would probably be nice for shows that switched aspect ratios -- for example, season one of Angel is 4:3 on DVD but widescreen for the remaining seasons.

I've come across HDFury a couple times doing research. From what I can gather, they are very nice, but I'm speaking as someone new to video conversion technology.

I got this converter from China for $15 with shipping, but it can be had for even cheaper, like in this link for 4,50$ with shipping :
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1080P-HDMI-to-VG ... 6IPmsgHvxQ



I don't know if it's doing a perfect conversion or not, but the picture I get on my NEC crt monitor is better than that of my HDTV, so it's got to at least be a very good converter

Seriously, I've been watching Bubblegum Crisis (BR) and Dirty Pair 2 OVA series (DVD) in the last 2 days and it looks insane on a pro CRT. The colors are a tad better than on my HDTV, and that one is calibrated to it's max potential.
Please note that I am watching on the NEC in 720p progressive scan though! This is way crisper than 480i. This is were a multiscan CRT monitor comes in handy.

As for the DVD player : I'm using a Sony BDP-S5500 for both Blu Ray and DVDs (it is cheaply made, but don't let that fool you. It performs extremely well). I think it looks phenomenal, although it doesn't handle all kinds of interlacing there is super well. With newer-ish DVDs that have the actual movie frames stored on them, the upscaling of the Sony looks great. But with older DVDs that only contains the video fields, sometimes it can look bad. I remember Fudoh saying that there are a couple different types of video interlacing methods, and thus different methods of deinterlacing needed for each, to reach optimal results. And now I understand why. I have an old Godfather boxset and through the Sony the picture just looks atrocious when using anything other than 480i. But some other old DVDs are handled well by the Sony. It might not be the last word in performance, but the Sony BDP performs really well I think. Better than my dedicated Oppo DVH-971, which, granted is not the best of Oppo's DVD machines, but still pretty good. The Oppo DVH-983H though is supposedly an amazind DVD player.

(but if you only plan on playing DVDs to an SD PVM than you won't need any deinterlacing, so most blu-ray players with an option for 480i output should work great for your setup! I only added the deinterlacing info in case you are looking for a DVD solution that will also give good results on your HDTV. And speaking of that, getting a 480i signal digitally from a DVD or BR player into an iScan VP50 and letting that do the deinterlacing/upscaling is a great option!)

[atheistgod1999]

Is there any good blu-ray playing software for the PC? I know I'll have to pay.

[zimes]

I got this converter from China for $15 with shipping, but it can be had for even cheaper, like in this link for 4,50$ with shipping :
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1080P-HDMI-to-VG ... 6IPmsgHvxQ


I don't know if it's doing a perfect conversion or not, but the picture I get on my NEC crt monitor is better than that of my HDTV, so it's got to at least be a very good converter

Seriously, I've been watching Bubblegum Crisis (BR) and Dirty Pair 2 OVA series (DVD) in the last 2 days and it looks insane on a pro CRT. The colors are a tad better than on my HDTV, and that one is calibrated to it's max potential.
Please note that I am watching on the NEC in 720p progressive scan though! This is way crisper than 480i. This is were a multiscan CRT monitor comes in handy.

As for the DVD player : I'm using a Sony BDP-S5500 for both Blu Ray and DVDs (it is cheaply made, but don't let that fool you. It performs extremely well). I think it looks phenomenal, although it doesn't handle all kinds of interlacing there is super well. With newer-ish DVDs that have the actual movie frames stored on them, the upscaling of the Sony looks great. But with older DVDs that only contains the video fields, sometimes it can look bad. I remember Fudoh saying that there are a couple different types of video interlacing methods, and thus different methods of deinterlacing needed for each, to reach optimal results. And now I understand why. I have an old Godfather boxset and through the Sony the picture just looks atrocious when using anything other than 480i. But some other old DVDs are handled well by the Sony. It might not be the last word in performance, but the Sony BDP performs really well I think. Better than my dedicated Oppo DVH-971, which, granted is not the best of Oppo's DVD machines, but still pretty good. The Oppo DVH-983H though is supposedly an amazind DVD player.

(but if you only plan on playing DVDs to an SD PVM than you won't need any deinterlacing, so most blu-ray players with an option for 480i output should work great for your setup! I only added the deinterlacing info in case you are looking for a DVD solution that will also give good results on your HDTV. And speaking of that, getting a 480i signal digitally from a DVD or BR player into an iScan VP50 and letting that do the deinterlacing/upscaling is a great option!)

Thanks! This is all very helpful. I don't have a PVM currently -- I have possible leads -- but this is all helpful and provides some food for thought before making any decisions.

[vol.2]

That explains it! I get a green tinted picture indeed when playing DVDs with the PS2 set to RGB, through the SCART cable.

Okay. Sorry for the lack of info. I have a free mcboot install on a PS2 memory card. There is a program called mcloader which disables region coding for disc, and that allows you to play DVDs over RGB. It's a little work to get free mcboot on a memory card. You have to hot swap a game, and MC loader only works on earlier firmware revisions present on like SKUs up to 3500 or something. There charts of this info out there, and all the soft modding info is on psx scene.

[bobrocks95]

Does Retro Console Accessories still offer coax cables? Has anyone used them, and if so, do they eliminate any audio buzzing?

As far as I can tell the only way to eliminate all buzzing is to wire in audio connectors with their own separate ground- has anyone found success with other methods?

I have coax cables from her, but I have SNES BNC coax cables going into an extron crosspoint then coax cables to framemeister. Audio goes through the crosspoint with Phoenix connectors. I haven't noticed audio buzzing but then again I haven't listened very closely.

It's most noticeable when there's no sound playing to cover it up, like a pause screen that doesn't play any music, or intro logos on games. I guess I'd need to hear from someone who has both types, or just go ahead and shell out for some and hear it for myself.

My guess is that buzz can't be eliminated and I'll still be disappointed though...

Is there any good blu-ray playing software for the PC? I know I'll have to pay.

I see PowerDVD is the most recommended software, but it's also one of the absolute worst programs I've ever used in my life, so...

A PS3/4/XBone, or standalone player, really is the way to go, I regret even bothering to get a blu-ray drive for my computer.