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Iran War. When.

2021
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2022-2025
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2026-2030
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2031-2040
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Never
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EmperorIng wrote:That's a... very particular part of my post to focus on, to put it charitably. I encourage you to reread everything. It'll make sense. I promise.
It just seems... disingenuous

I also see you expecting the governor to be psychic and to have known the court's 4 to 3 decision.

Added:
EmperorIng wrote:tack is almost always made
Weasel word

The "it's the right thing to do argument" is a bad argument can be turned around on anyone. You think McAuliffe should have acted in a way that you think was right. What are your true motivations then?
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EmperorIng wrote:*may not apply to blacks
Please don't slur Huey, he's been dragged through the mud enough by the corrupt Hillarys of this world.
Please don't slur Huey
One of my favorite Long stories is that time he got a hospital built in the black section of town by playing on the fears of racist retards, which was the only way to get it done. "If we don't build this hospital, these folks will be coming to the hospital in YOUR part of town! Do you want that??"

Racist retards are rather easy to control and manage; as it's in everyone's interest to be a little less racist than the maximum possible. For example: Their desire to exclude Mexicans from schools and medical care would lead to a country of more people with weak english skills and more infectious disease (from which white people would also suffer from). You don't have to have human empathy (frankly humans don't deserve it) to recoil in horror from the screed of the racist retard - just something resembling a brain.
Huey Long
Man, remember when this guy was senator for life in Louisiana? It would have been great to have chosen to take back Louisiana, socialist Kansas, and Utah. Oh well. Too bad. Guess we'll just nuke Canada instead. That'll fix things.
EmperorIng wrote:illegal
Nobody ever says making a profit is illegal, though it is the very definition of theft when we're talking about life and death necessities.
The question "is it the right thing to reconstitute a convict's or felon's voting rights per some requirements?"
woah woah woah

This isn't even a question.

If someone is allowed to walk around free in society, buy breakfast cereals at Wal-Mart, breathe the same air as me, have interactive access to my kids, then of course they should be able to fucking vote. This is so simple, it should be put into the constitution.

If someone isn't "good enough" to be allowed to vote, they're not a part of society, and therefore should be in jail.
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quash wrote:I knew that the real fracturing of the left was going to wait until after the DNC; and if our small sample size here is any indication, the party establishment has a hell of a task ahead of them if they care to unite the party.
B/c the GOP is just standing hand in hand right now...
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Bitter Almonds wrote:
Mischief Maker wrote:Also those Democrat-appointed federal judges (president doesn't just appoint SCOTUS justices) who just struck down North Carolina's voter ID law were only doing that to lull minority populations into a false sense of security before Hillary re-institutes slavery, like Dinesh D'Souza said.

Those brave Republicans, who prior to passing that voter ID law did a study on voting practices broken down by race, were only trying to protect minorities from having their principles compromised by being forced to vote for Hillary.

Thankfully minorities of every race color or creed have taco-bowl-enthusiast Donald Trump fighting against the anti-democracy reverse psychology voter suppression of the Democrats.
Just like how in the NY primary independent voters were locked out from voting for Bernie Sanders...
Just because she's the lesser evil doesn't mean she's devoid of evil. But at the same time, just because she's a lesser evil doesn't mean she's equally evil. The DNC running closed primaries on the taxpayer's dime is bad, but it's not as bad as Shelby County v Holder and the near-instantaneous enactment of voting restrictions all across the south in response that have taken years to percolate through the court system before being overturned.

BryanM says I should shift all the responsibility for my voting onto the Democratic Candidates. That's unacceptable to me because abdicating responsibility cedes an equal portion of power. If there's one silver lining to Trump getting the nomination, it's confirmation that votes are still counted, for better or worse.

My end-goal is to advance Bernie Sanders' policy goals. Of the shitty options available to me this election, Hillary and her subsequent court nominations better advance those goals. These issues are more important to my country than punishing one old lady for her misdeeds.
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Bryan, your hyper-ventilating posting style makes you miss some larger points.
BryanM wrote:Man, remember when this guy was senator for life in Louisiana? It would have been great to have chosen to take back Louisiana, socialist Kansas, and Utah. Oh well. Too bad. Guess we'll just nuke Canada instead. That'll fix things.
Just like Chicago, ha. "Who cares if opposition is stifled through intimidation, and officials are bought and paid for, and cronyism runs rampant, and the state's finances are depleted, as long as our boy 'whips' our enemies and says all the right words?" There's a reason that [socialist] Sinclair Lewis saw him as a tyrant in the making. No Hillaries needed if even prominent leftists could see through him.

Government employees were forced to give a portion of their salary to Long for "discretionary" purposes. What a champion of the poor... Poor, deluded leftists, more accurately. If the only way you can cheer on your political beliefs is through the actions of a dictator... well, that doesn't say much about the efficacy of those beliefs. At least in a democracy.

I myself have walked inside Long's literally towering symbol of his own self-importance. I don't want to unnecessarily disparage a man wrongly killed before his time, but his dying words "I can't die yet; I have so much more to do." have the ring of egotism in them, given his endless ambition.
Nobody ever says making a profit is illegal, though it is the very definition of theft when we're talking about life and death necessities.
One of the first tenets of "Share our Wealth" is that it would have been illegal to make money over a certain amount. I'm not some hardcore "supply-sider," but you'd have to be ignorant if you think that people in upper-income brackets (like you know, doctors or lawyers or even orchestra performers) don't actually spend their larger share of money, and that this is actually a good thing. To say nothing of inheritance, which was another thing "Share our Wealth" ignorantly peddled to poor people ("Just think of all those rich folks GIVING THEIR MONEY TO THEIR CHILDREN! Doesn't that make you mad!?! Ignore the part of that platform plank that will make you suffer, though, and keep on being mad!") Adding to this is the realization that to take as much money as Long wanted to pay each and every citizen would be impossible if he had artificially capped the incomes of those same people. Why would a business bust its ass to make $10 million if all it could keep was $1 million? How would you force it to keep up the pace, without it becoming forced labor? These are questions Long and his ilk never considered (nor needed to to get people whipped up and angry).

Ignorance of history is paramount to a lot of ""socialist"" idol-worship because you need to forget how shitty they were in order to idolize them. There is a lot of reasonable, scholarly doubt as to the efficacy of many of the New Deal initiatives, which I flip back and forth on, but far better that than the stupidity of a southern autocratic boss hoss promising everyone free money as long as he gets the keys to their car.

There's always this pathological belief among people that almost forces them to think that in order to help the poor, or the marginalized, it can only be done at the expense of screwing over someone higher up on the totem pole. Which ignores how many people actually can and do move up or down it (e.g. the majority of people who inherit large amounts of wealth end up far poorer than their parents). Conversely, picking someone lower on the totem pole yields more or less the same results: cherry-picking winners and increasing the store of victim politics.
If someone is allowed to walk around free in society, buy breakfast cereals at Wal-Mart, breathe the same air as me, have interactive access to my kids, then of course they should be able to fucking vote. This is so simple, it should be put into the constitution.
I'm glad we're in agreement. Note how I separated the two questions in my initial post. I prefer laws and procedures actually be followed. It's better to have a process that if slow-moving, is more equitable and transparent than a person deciding by him or herself that "It's obviously the right thing to do."

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inb4 the smarmy "what about Trump" riposte from someone else. Fuck it; I'm not voting for that asshole for many of the same reasons listed above.

@antron: there is truly no point in talking to you (or you talking) if you cannot grasp arguments (reading them or making them). If the best you can offer are vague nitpicks about word choice, then the conversation isn't going anywhere. Step up your game, because for at least 2-3 posts, no one could have a feasible clue of what you are trying to say, what point you are trying to make, or why, other than "it makes me feel bad! =( "
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haha fuck, there's actually been a thing called the Trump Kids Club. Just wait until it's a national organization.

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BryanM wrote:Racist retards are rather easy to control and manage
So long as they're "fat, dumb, and happy" as a family quote puts it. But put another way, "there's nothing so dangerous as poor white people." And if he manages to crash the stock market or kill consumer confidence by dredging up conspiracy theories about the Fed, well...

Trump is smart enough to get people's attention, but he's not smart enough to actually manipulate them into doing what he wants, and doesn't have the self control to know when to stop (traits in common with many of his supporters, unfortunately), unless his goal is just to see everything burn. Which could be fun, of course.

@ EmpIng: Wait, you're saying that rich people spend more money than poor people? Well, let's do a thought experiment to see if this is true.

Let's take a group of poor people and allocate $1M to them all. They're poor, so we know that they are probably not able to save very much, if anything. Almost all their income goes back into the economy, including towards fuel and sales taxes.
Now take one person whose income is $1M. That's taxed, sure, but a lot less is going back into the economy overall.

In short, never forget a simple definition of being rich - you have more than you spend.

This isn't even getting into questions about how the money is being spent. Sometimes wealthy people spend their money wisely, but sometimes they spend it on things which actually destabilize the economy (like designing yachts during bubbles), or they are "fake" rich - they have a lot of income one year and continue to live life as if they always will have that much money. As an economic class they spend much less of their income on charity than do poorer people.

The other key piece of the puzzle is that just because somebody is in an income bracket doesn't mean they can stay there. All economic classes have to rationalize their wealth management, but of course there is very little stopping the most wealthy from having the classic attitude that you have to stockpile wealth, which ultimately seeking idle income and idling capital (or getting capital as near idle as possible). And a lot of people complain about taxes on so-called "wealth creation" but I would think that these traditional conservative strategies of keeping rich are not the best way for society to make use of that total wealth. I'm not advocating stripping wealth from the wealthy or limiting their options, but we should always be trying to find ways to put it to use or to encourage it to get put to use. This is a pretty universal sentiment among economists, I believe, at least in growing economies.

I don't know exactly what the thinking is on this, or even how relevant it is, but I've been thinking of tax brackets versus sheltered income. For example, if your tax rate % goes up once you hit a certain amount of money, that's a big incentive to people to play games with the numbers instead of do the best they can, because if you jump $1 over the threshhold and get taxed some more percent, at thousands of dollars you're suddenly taking away less than if you had been idle close to that mark. This doesn't seem like a smart way to get people to have more wealth, just like penalizing people for having savings accounts isn't a smart way to rub out poverty. I'd think that applying tax rates only to certain segments of income - maybe a 0% rate for incomes under $40,000 or so, a higher rate up to $150K, etc. could be a way to help this be less of a problem. There should still be a liquidity issue but I think that's a start anyway.
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EmperorIng wrote:there is truly no point in talking to you
Great, I just want others others to read my responses anyway.
EmperorIng wrote: I prefer laws and procedures actually be followed
McAuliffe drafting an executive order then getting taken to a state court to get a decision on its legality is part of the procedure. You must be for it then. It's hardly clear cut as he only lost by one opinion. And if the letter of the decision allows him to robo sign all 200k orders so be it; considering Virginia is one of four states that permanently disenfranchises citizens with past felony convictions.
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GaijinPunch wrote:
quash wrote:I knew that the real fracturing of the left was going to wait until after the DNC; and if our small sample size here is any indication, the party establishment has a hell of a task ahead of them if they care to unite the party.
B/c the GOP is just standing hand in hand right now...
The difference is that anyone can see what's going on with the GOP: the old guard of neoconservatism is being ousted by populist nationalism. They were already a weak and fractured party when Trump came along and hijacked it, but he's at least preventing it from fading into irrelevance.

In the Democratic party, however, it's clear that the establishment is hell-bent on imposing their will over the base. There's really no telling to which lengths they'll take it; I'd have to assume they would know when to stop but it seems like they're more focused on winning this election than keeping the party intact.
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President Trump, he's our hero
gonna take immigration down to zero
he's our vices magnified
and he'll nuke whomever he decides

President Trump, he's our hero
gonna take unemployment down to zero
he'll help business undercut
Asia and its cheap labor glut

"You'll pay for this wall, Mexico!"

we're the trumpeteers
you'd better be one too
making America great again is the thing to do
SJWism is not the way
hear what President Trump has to say:

"The Clintons are whores!"
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Was anyone here remotely surprised that Fox News operated on the principle of the casting couch?

And does anyone really want to know what demeaning sex acts Anderson Cooper and Wolf Blitzer had to perform to get their jobs?
because if you jump $1 over the threshhold and get taxed some more percent, at thousands of dollars you're suddenly taking away less than if you had been idle close to that mark.
........

uh.

That's not how it works. You never make less money by making more money.

Unless you're on a means-tested assistance program, which will drop you like a rock if you make a buck over their allowed threshold.
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BryanM wrote:That's not how it works. You never make less money by making more money.
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If I make 37,450/y, I pay 5617.50 in tax, therefore I take home 31832.50.
If I make 37,451/y, I pay 9362.75 in tax, therefore I take home 28088.25.

By making 1 more dollar per year, I take home nearly 3000 less.
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I'm not sure of the source of that graphic, or even that we're discussing the same thing at all, but in any sane bracketed taxation scheme, only the portion of income that falls into each bracket is taxed at that level, so making an extra dollar is never going to cost you thousands.

Anyone seriously putting forth a system like this is completely bonkers, but not quite as bonkers as people who think all income should be taxed at the same rate.
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Wasn't aware of that! Shows how much I know about tax :) That's how it should be, anyways.
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trap15 wrote:Wasn't aware of that! Shows how much I know about tax :) That's how it should be, anyways.
I'm actually a bit shocked that you didn't know this, since its Step 1 kind of stuff. And you're not a person that's clueless about math and reason.

Which helps demonstrate how thoroughly screwed we are politically and as a species. This horrible tax vampire that swoops in every year to suck away hours of our lives, and we collectively know nothing of it. Van Helsing would not approve.
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I avoid knowing anything about tax and just let my corporate overlords take care of it for me. Because trying to figure it out and do it myself is a waste of my time and a headache. Of course, this is why people have this misconception.
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I've long been of the opinion that schools in the states should have mandatory classes on the basics of how the economy and taxes work. But implementing that would undermine the strategic ignorance that fuels the lifeblood of our corporatocracy. It is therefore never going to happen under any circumstances.
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Yeah I was thinking the same sort of thing.

You've got 13 years of your life spent in daycare, where they repeatedly explain what a pronoun is over and over.

And you've got these word problems in math class. Long, wordy word problems. You know what's a realistic, real-world math problem? One that's simple enough for anyone capable of multiplication to solve? Yeah.

It's not like it would be hard to make it a mandatory question in math class 120 times over four years for high school students.
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Oh heh, my bad! (Add this to the LATE realizations thread.) Isn't it interesting?

trap15's graphic is correct, it's just that trap15 and I forgot about marginal tax rates. I worked out the basic system from that graphic; the current system is much better than what we'd have applying one tax rate to each bracket.

My rough / quick calculations:

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9225 10% = 922.5
9226 15% = 1383.9 (not the real result)
9226 10% + 15% = 922.5 + .15 = 922.65
37,450 15% = 5617.5 (not the real result)
37,450 10% + 15% (brackets up to 9225 and (37,450 - 9225 = 28,225)) = 922.5 + 4233.75 = 5156.25
In an "unreformed" system where your tax bracket is applied to all your income, unca sam would make more money (around $450 off $37,450, and it gets worse) than in the current system where you pay marginal tax rates at each income bracket. Yikes - that's a good way to get people to come around to the current system.

Perhaps one reason the myth persists is because people want to see just one calculation, the real tax rate, rather than running through each marginal tax rate calculation. (Even though setting up such a system with tax brackets but no margins would be brutal.) You can calculate a real tax rate but it's mostly needless. Exemptions and credits also confuse the picture.

Another thing is that the weirdly aligned tax brackets actually cause your real (or total) tax rate to jump around as you move through tax brackets, like the big income jumps on tax rates that are still below the poverty line, and then the very gradual increases up to nearly half a million. Finally there's dat 35% bracket.

Yet another thing is that some of the too-cheerful explanations miss the point, like #1 in this article. Poor people might not pay more in a certain kind of taxes, but the typically much higher amount of money going to expenditures (and charity) these people pay, they ultimately end up with less money. Also, looking at just income taxes - even if you expand to cover state and local taxes - is missing a significant amount of taxes. If you're paying the same sales tax on gas when you're poor as somebody who's rich does, that's clearly pulling the percentage paid towards taxes higher for the poor person in comparison with the wealthy one.

Flat tax is actually more interesting than I had thought, with a lot of permutations. The main problem is, as always, having everybody pay the same rate when each dollar is more dear to people with lower incomes, as with sales tax again. There's ways around this, perhaps. Another problem is that some of the supposed benefits of flat tax on tax planning complexity aren't as big as they seem - for example you can still have deductions and credits in a flat tax system, so the tax code would still be quite long.
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I've read stories about people refusing raises because of this misconception.

There's reasons why I'm ready for Trump. It's like he was sent here by God.

Much like God sent us a mild flood that one time.
Ed Oscuro wrote:Exemptions and credits also confuse the picture.
Okay "the first ~$10,000 you make is taxed at 0%" is step 1...

Income tax is the only progressive tax we have. The others are highly to extremely regressive.

So no wonder we're told to worry over and over again about dat income tax. Never about the sales or property tax or the basic hyper regressive tax of rent. Those taxes don't exist.

(Because they're nascent matters to the wealthy.)
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Sorry, I'm not exactly following your point with that quote.

Apparently there are some versions of the flat tax that can be progressive, but yeah, I agree that there is a political reason for demonizing the current tax structure, in order to come up with a more regressive tax system. Not all flat tax propositions have this as a goal, but it is always a threat. A flat tax can appear to be more progressive while ending up not being so. It might make more sense if we lumped in more things - but you'd still have diminishing marginal utility of money even if you managed to reduce the percentage of income the poorer income brackets end up paying in total each year. It also would make some sense to me not to classify capital gains just as much as other forms of "sweat of the brow," as A. Ryan put it. When comparing the real current tax system with the fake non-marginal, pay-the-top-%-on-everything system, I could see why a lot of people would not want to switch to the current system; for progressives, even the prospect of political gridlock over setting tax brackets is one, and of course that's always there. Additionally, any system which hasn't been tried out "seriously" (whatever that means) gets a neverending honeymoon; it never enters the real world.

Another possibility: People with political clout want a more regressive tax system. So they tell everybody who will listen that if you make less money you end up getting a bigger share of the pie - so they can end up eating more of that share themselves. If this ends up screwing over people into believing that they should make less money, that's just too bad. But strangely, I've heard similar things from people who weren't savvy or cynical enough to invent such an idea for personal gain - i.e., who swore the Cadillac welfare moms story was true and that they had seen it in action while working in social services.
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BryanM wrote:There's reasons why I'm ready from Trump. It's like he was sent here by God.
Bringing things back to this though, the dude's been shooting himself in the face this past week, what with his insults to families of fallen soldiers, and his pledges to ban pornography, and that Trump University lawsuit moving forward, and the fact that he does not seem to be aware of the concept of Mutually Assured Destruction.

The porn thing alone probably lost him 10% of his potential voters, let's be real.

I mean... okay, let's assume he and Hillary are in the pocket of the exact same supervillains at the top of the corporate ladder of Hell itself. Can we at least agree that one of them is technically more aware of their surroundings than the other? I mean, fuck. The "they're just as bad as each other" argument is getting harder and harder to swallow the more I see of this shit.
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That's basically exactly what Newt Gingrich said, and he was on the VP shortlist!
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It is hilarious that they've invested so much in making us BE SCARED OF EVERYTHING ALWAYS that we've made people afraid of making more money...
Giest118 wrote:Bringing things back to this though, the dude's been shooting himself in the face this past week....

I mean... okay, let's assume he and Hillary are in the pocket of the exact same supervillains at the top of the corporate ladder of Hell itself. Can we at least agree that one of them is technically more aware of their surroundings than the other? I mean, fuck. The "they're just as bad as each other" argument is getting harder and harder to swallow the more I see of this shit.
This is because he's an agent working for the Clintons. He's intentionally trying to lose. It's not like this was ever a big mystery. Long before post 1 in this thread was ever made.

If he accidentally wins (he's certainly more likely to win than the various incarnations of potato salad that were on tap) all of his work will be delegated to his VP.

Two close buddies putting on a theater show. You're supposed to be terrified of Trump so you'll vote for Goldman Sachs (as opposed to voting for Goldman Sachs). Whatever.
This is because he's an agent working for the Clintons. He's intentionally trying to lose.
Of course, if he wins that means he was trying to win all along. And that he's a genius and we're idiots.

Squeeze out just a few more white people, and Romney would have won. Who knows. There may be just enough juice in that turnip to go. I'd be scared shitless if I cared and weren't also fear proof.
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BryanM wrote:If he accidentally wins (he's certainly more likely to win than the various incarnations of potato salad that were on tap).
You seriously think that? Against Hillary Clinton, the second most unpopular politician in America? (First really as trump hardly counts)

He saved her ass. Not that I think she deserves near the criticism she receives.
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Yes I do. Trump is a perfect distillation of why people vote for republicans (protip: it ain't for the tax cuts for millionaires and it ain't to "make life better for themselves").

To believe differently means you're explicitly stating the following:

* Human mayonnaise Jeb Bush could do better.
* Human poodle Randy "Rand" Paul could do better.
* Human butterman Chris "The Christie" Randalf could do better.
* Human serial killer Theodore Rafael "Ted" Cruz could do better.
* Human Eeyore what's-his-face had any shot of winning that primary.

All of which are incredible statements that stagger reasonable belief. The well ain't deep.
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Most, if not all, of those guys consistently beat Clinton in polls through the winter and into spring. Sans Trump all they had to do was beat Cruz.

Clinton did suddenly overtake Cruz in April.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... vs_clinton
But that looks like it had more to do with his fight with trump than his fight with Clinton.
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Every time a Saiyan gets within inches of death, he comes back stronger.

Trump has the Chaos Emeralds, he just hasn't felt like using them yet.

This isn't even his final form.
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antron wrote:Most, if not all, of those guys consistently beat Clinton in polls through the winter and into spring.
Not true.

Not even a little bit. (Inaccurate, since it is from November.)

Seriously, they top out at about as well as Trump is doing now.

Christ is it ever not true.

And of course these are optimistic numbers for them. Once they have more exposure and scrutiny, their performance would erode.

Kasich is the only one to ever poll well against her. And that's only because noone has any goddamn idea who Kasich is. His data set is basically "Hillary Clinton vs Some Random Person You Don't Know". But in the end, he'd roll in with John McCain type numbers.

All objective data we have comes to the conclusion the entire GOP field, sans Kasich, is a useless tire fire. All subjective data is that tremendous asshole narcissist Trump is the only one of them that was remotely interesting.

... Well, Carson was interesting for a little bit, too. Dr.BrainSponge might have been their strongest contender, if only he was a little less crazy.
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there was ease in Trump's manner as he stepped into his place
there was pride in Trump's bearing and a smile lit Trump's face
and when, responding to the cheers, he casually raised his hand
nobody in the crowd could doubt, Donald Trump was their man

from five thousand throats and more, there rose a lusty yell
it rumbled through the venue, which resembled the pit of hell
Trump tested his mic, for his speech would now proceed
under the banner which declared: Trump is polling in the lead
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pledges to ban pornography
The pledge was not to ban pornography (as if that were even possible). It was about child pornography. Big difference. (The latter is already banned anyway.)

It seems that this is being deliberately misreported.
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