PROMETHEUS wrote:oh fuck you despatche,
no you haven't answered all arguments, nor is your opinion inherently better than other people's. All I want is you don't delete the information that we had before, the large main table that I found fun and interesting to watch and I'm not quite the only one. The general ranking you regard as flawed is what we've always happily rolled with and you deleted it and now you pretend it's a scandal that we view things differently and ask you to roll some things back, martyring yourself calling yourself a "fixing of old games problems"? You make short sentences like they are statements of ultimate truth and there is only one way to see things, but there is not. You haven't actually answered all the arguments I gave you either. But I can see it's useless arguing with you, because you are not even arguing at all, you're only interested in imposing your view and method no matter what other people think. Even though DDP isn't a game that you even play yourself. I can see and you said it yourself, it would only be easier to you to just "tell people to fuck off", that's what you want, impose your way and that's all. Well get out of here then.
I did answer everything (it's what I do), and I just rechecked to be absolutely sure. I am talking very little about opinion, while your desire is almost entirely opinion or based on a horrible misunderstanding. I have explained very carefully why the overall table and your bizarre sense of nostalgia are fundamentally flawed, and I will do so again further down. I have done years upon years of studying this community and this genre, while your only claim to fame is that you're good at a particular game. You are doing
exactly what you accuse me of, and I'm tired of struggling to respond to you. Once again, I do
not need to be good at a particular game to understand something that applies to the entire genre and beyond. I felt that telling you to fuck off would somehow be better understood by you than an actual explanation--people have told me this numerous times about other topics, and this "conversation" gives me the impression that
they were right.
PROMETHEUS wrote:Doesn't exist? Sorry, it does. Also, you ignore everything about DDP's balance. Sorry but ships are comparable in this game, it was designed that way. It doesn't matter that there are small differences, it is still fun and makes sense to compare it. You are way too elitist and focused on the ultra top level competition. It makes sense to track which are the best few scores for each ship type for the top of the competition, but it doesn't make sense to refuse tracking scores all together for a general ranking that includes everybody, because yes, the difficulty for making 50M, or 100M, or 200M, or 300M with Type A-L or B-L or C-S is actually pretty close! It's the player's job to pick his weapon of choice to climb the ranking and snipe his target opponent! Your stupid 1-line game-theory is quite meaningless and doesn't justify having only 1 way to do things and censoring different opinions or methods.
"DDP is better balanced than some games, but nowhere near perfectly balanced, and it wouldn't matter if it was (which is pretty much impossible)." That is what I've said, because it's true.
I really don't think you understand that half the forum has been told to use C-S for the entire game's life, with a number of people using A-L being inspired by the top players. Every single time someone asks about how to play DDP well, they always get the same response: "use C-S". All the other ships and powerups get ignored. It's right here in the thread, and I'm willing to bet most of those old scores use C-S. Your entire belief that the game is sufficiently balanced even for "casuals" is simply untrue.
Even if you could somehow get the exact same points with every single ship and powerup (just look at the world records), actually getting those points would still be completely different; if it wasn't, then the ships probably behave exactly the same and there is never a need for a split. This would all be obvious by playing the game for a few minutes, as it is for DDP.
It's completely ridiculous that you, as someone who actually knows how to play DDP well, cannot understand this. I don't know why you're resorting to outright lying, either.
PROMETHEUS wrote:Sorry I've seen plenty of people maintain topics with a lot more care and understanding than you haha. Your work is certainly not any more real than other people's. What a douche this guy is seriously.
This is the part where I actually get pissed off. I have been in this community for nearly a decade, just like you. I have seen countless countless countless threads that fail to put any effort into describing anything about how the game is supposed to work, throwing tons of unbalanced characters into a single pool and telling people to deal with it, and even considering completely different versions of the game as the same. The only threads I've seen with any effort put into them are the newer nicer threads, usually for CAVE games, sometimes by people who are pretty good at those games.
These newer threads also generally adhere to Arcadia rules at the bare minimum.
With that alone, DDP should be split by the ships at the very least. But anyone who's tried all the DDP types and powers knows that they play completely differently and require different strategies just to play the game on a really basic level.
That's why, once again, always, the thread will be dominated by C-S.
PROMETHEUS wrote:The reason I don't get involved with other games topics is because I don't play them so I let the players of those games do it the way they want to, I might give my opinion sometimes, but let it be. Now you don't play DDP... so why don't you just scram?
I was speaking to everyone involved. Jaimers and Erppo don't particularly care for other threads either, even though they play everything and I have a lot of respect for them as far as this genre goes. Which makes it a bit ridiculous that they agree with your sheer ignorance, mostly for the sake of seeing their names at the top.
That's what this really comes down to. You don't care about the "casuals" at all, you care about
your score.
PROMETHEUS wrote:Erppo is right, you are just building an issue because you don't want to discuss, you simply categorically oppose by pretending your way is the only way, which doesn't make sense. See, we could do this any way we WANT. We could keep track of only 5 scores, or 100, with cap or no cap, with video or no video, split by ship type or powerup, we could have all of these or none at all... What matters is what the players of DDP want, and what else matters is that you do not care, in conclusion you are of no use as a board maintainer^^ Exactly like Erppo said, you're supposed to serve players of the game and not the other way around. Since you've proven you don't care, again I say, scram.
You have no idea just how angry it makes me to see my explanations thrown in the trash as if I never said anything.
This is why I figured it'd be better to tell you to fuck off. Once again, you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of, and you think your ignorance matters because you happen to be good at a single specific game.
You have proven that you don't care. What a fucking shame.
PROMETHEUS wrote:A-L and C-S are strong, but other ships are strong as well and can score way high.. It doesn't make that much difference in difficulty which ship you pick, and that's the responsibility of the player to pick his weapon. Your reasoning is fine justification for maintaining separate tables, but not for removing the general table. I've seen A-S score 200M in first loop.. If a player picks an inferior ship, that's ok, if they play well they can still climb the ranking, the general ranking is useful to get a full view.
You are agreeing with me while at the same time trying to make it seem like you're saying something different. How? How do people do that? I really don't know what else to say that I haven't said a million times, and I really do not understand why a top player is saying "you can score about the same!", never mind that the world records are literally twenty millions apart from each other.
PROMETHEUS wrote:In fighting games, there are Tier D characters, people still play them in tourneys and maybe they win. People will still play and compare each other, and I want me and others to be able to do that because yes, it does make sense, whether you like it or not. And there is not even a Tier D ship in DDP.
Why do you keep talking about fighting games?
You do not have to treat a singleplayer game like a multiplayer one. I have explained why.
PROMETHEUS wrote:You know, when I started with A-L, there was no A-L at the top of the DDP ranking, it actually encouraged me to play A-L. It's fine to track separate tables, it's fine to keep a general ranking as well, obviously, and most of these games do on the boards.
Sorry but I'll say again chempop, it's not just me I'm thinking about. Idc if you believe me or not, I don't want just the top 5-10 up there with my name at the top, I want a full general table for everybody, and that's because I think it's fun to have and because I know others like it too.
Here is why I do not want to put a general table.
First and foremost, it encourages the bad thinking I've been talking about this entire thread. It is completely misleading to put completely different characters that require completely different strategies on the same playing field, especially if they cannot actually achieve the same result. And they can't. You've said this yourself, while trying to say such huge gaps in ability are "close enough" at the same time.
Second,
your ignorance and slander are really pissing me the fuck off right now.
PROMETHEUS wrote:Also, Despatche removed scores that were posted by same person with different ships. And no, the reason why I want a general table is not to prevent people from posting more scores with other ships (I did that myself), and no, I don't "only want a general list". Thanks for not contributing in a smart and constructive way.
You are a god damned liar. I didn't remove a single score, I don't do that shit. Every single score in this thread was in the previous thread, and I then added the new scores S.L was not able to.
PROMETHEUS wrote:The goal is not to "appease some people", but to serve the players who play this game and use this board.
These are the same thing to you. The only self-centered people around here are you top players who want to see your names at the tippy top all the time. You're a giant hypocrite.
PROMETHEUS wrote:Despatche is not fit for the job of maintaining the thread for a complete lack of care for what DDP players would want, he has shown this by explaining whatever he is told he'll just reply with his own immovable opinion, martyr himself and impose his own rule. This is no proper way to maintain a community score board.
I have once again explained why you're being ignorant, and I have now explained why you're being ridiculously hateful. I'm not replying to you anymore, because this has been a giant waste of my time.