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Hey guys! My name is Dave, and I am new here... :mrgreen:
For a proper introduction, I thought I'd offer a brief history of what I've experienced so far in regard to game video processing and hardware.


Image + Image + Image = Image


Back in 2008, I got really interested in chasing console image clarity when I picked up this cheap VGA cable for my Dreamcast.
It looked amazing (to me) on my 17" Dell CRT, and far better than the composite video cable I'd been using, but the build quality left much to be desired...


Image = Image + Image = Image


Then I got hooked on scanlines when I picked up the Hanzo box... An excellent build seeing as it's hand-crafted, and scanlines on MVC2 are sublime!


Image + Image + Image = Image


But I soon learned the harsh reality of scaling on fixed-pixel displays, when my Sharp Aquos TV failed to properly scale the 640x480 signal from the PC VGA input...


Image + Image + Image = Image


So I got this little MINI VGA2HDMI, and while it actually did a much better job scaling the Dreamcast to 1080p than expected, it felt cheap and often overheated...
Having been spoiled by the Dreamcast's rare and native 640x480 VGA output, I wondered if similar results could be achieved on my other consoles...


Image + Image = Image = Image


I did a modest amount of research (too modest) into the greatness that is RGB and then proceeded to buy this piece of garbage for my Saturn...
The RGB colors were BRILLIANT, but that's about it...! The image was completely UNACCEPTABLE due to poor scaling, terrible input lag and motion blur!


Image + Image = Image = Image


What really dragged me down the proverbial "rabbit hole" was when I started looking for a way to clean up the image on my PS2.
I naively believed it might be possible to get my PS2 looking as sharp as my DC, and that's where I learned that interlaced signals and HD displays don't play nice... :(
In my search to de-interlace the PS2's ugly 480i output to my HDTV, I sent several emails back and forth to Fudoh (sorry mate), trying to better understand the situation.
That's when I read about the Waka Upscan Conveter on his webpage, and I ended up buying his from the sales bin. (Still have it, and it's quite a gem).
The Waka really shines with the PS1's 240p output, however, since it doesn't truly de-interlace, it does only a modest job with 480i on the PS2.


Image + Image = Image = Image


So I picked up a DVDO Edge (secondhand) from a guy who used to work at Silicon Image, and it really did do a wonderful job de-interlacing 480i content!
Final Fantasy XII, a game that does not support progressive scan and cannot be forced to, is a great example of 480i content that looks amazing with the DVDO Edge.
I didn't use the Edge for 240p content, because while it does support it, it's just not sharp enough due to the ringing issue...
A great thing about the Edge is that it is able to scale content to whatever specifications you might desire on a fixed-pixel display (reminiscent) of a CRT monitor...


Image + Image = Image = Image


Sadly, my time with the DVDO Edge was short lived due to overheating PSU issue that apparently plagues these units. After only a few months, mine died on me...
With a $160 flat repair fee, the Edge went back in the box and into the garage to await whatever future it may have. In the meantime I searched for another solution.


Image + Image = Image = Image


I figured with relative praise they'd had, I might try out the HD BOX Pro, so I picked up a clone by Coosis (a UK based company), and it really amazed me!
This unit handles PS2 480i de-interlacing on-par with the DVDO Edge (at least to my eyes), and looks great on a CRT at 640x480 or an HDTV at 1080p!
It even works relatively well as a pure component to VGA transcoder, although the built in color and picture settings do seem to alter the image a bit...


Image + Image or Image = Image


After having a baby, and being sidelined from gaming and acquiring new hardware, I've moved my hobby into my own "man cave" (a spare studio/bedroom near the garage).
So I've been reverting back to the use of CRTs, and that's led me to pick up a 20" Dell Trinitron re-badge and a 22" inch NEC MultiSync FE1250+ (with a Diamondtron NF tube).
Paired with CraftyMech's Mini SLG, both of these 31Khz monitors (especially the NEC) have become my new favorite gaming displays... They look absolutely stunning!!!
I actually have a 25" Samsung Gaming Monitor/HDTV sitting right next to the NEC on my desk, but nothing on it even comes close to touching the NEC CRT.
Running everything in 640x480 (basically line-doubled, transcoded or simply de-interlaced but not scaled) has given me the best results, and with an SLG looks quite nice.

Image = Image + Image = Image


I must admit that while it's been in my face at every turn, I've made a point to avoid the XRGB-mini Framemeister thus far simply because it doesn't support VGA out... :(
Maybe that's a stupid reason to ignore what everyone considers the king of 240p processing, but I've really come to love 31Khz monitors, and I'm not so interested in HDMI anymore...
I suppose I could chain the XRGB-mini to an HDFury or clone, and perhaps that might work out, but it just seems overly complicated, and I'm trying to make things simpler.

Image ---> Image


I'm currently trying to figure out whether to pick up an XRGB-2 or XRGB-2 Plus, as they both seem very uncomplicated, they both have VGA out, and they both handle 240p quite well...
The problem is, while I only have consoles (no arcade PCBs), and people seem to say the 2 Plus is the one to get for consoles, I've also heard that it has an unstable image...
So I'm not really sure which one to try for, though I realize that either of them will be hard to come by at this point... Anyway, that's where I'm at right now... And the search goes on... :mrgreen:
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This http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=52158 will solve your hardware problems for the rest of your systems.
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Fudoh wrote:This http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=52158 will solve your hardware problems for the rest of your systems.
Sorry Fudoh, I had clicked submit pre-maturely, but I've edited my post and ended on the question of XRGB-2 vs XRGB-2 Plus...
In regard to the DIY video digitizer & scandoubler project, I'm vaguely familiar with it, but I wasn't sure whether or not it had been finished and released yet...
I'll certainly look into it further. Thank you for being such a consistent and reliable resource to the video hardware community!
So many folks have gained much from your kindly offered expertise over the years, and I myself am very thankful to you! Cheers!
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Thanks for sharing your story!
Read through it all, really enjoyed it.

I was wondering, since you now have your own "cave", why don't you just pick up a Pro Monitor like a Sony BVM/PVM and keep your PC montors for everything else?
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With a $160 flat repair fee, the Edge went back in the box and into the garage to await whatever future it may have. In the meantime I searched for another solution.
you can quite easily replace the internal PSU on the Edge. Check the AVS Board thread for details.
I suppose I could chain the XRGB-mini to an HDFury or clone, and perhaps that might work out, but it just seems overly complicated, and I'm trying to make things simpler.
it works and it's not expensive.
I'm currently trying to figure out whether to pick up an XRGB-2 or XRGB-2 Plus, as they both seem very uncomplicated, they both have VGA out, and they both handle 240p quite well...
wait for Marqs' line doubler unit instead.
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donluca wrote:Thanks for sharing your story!
Read through it all, really enjoyed it.

I was wondering, since you now have your own "cave", why don't you just pick up a Pro Monitor like a Sony BVM/PVM and keep your PC montors for everything else?
Donluca, thanks for the kind words. :)
You're absolutely right about the BVM, and believe me, it's on my wish list... However, I'm admittedly lacking in the funds department. :mrgreen:
Everything I've acquired thus far has been on a very tight budget over a long period of time. In fact the 31Khz beauties came from my local Craigslist for $20 each. I currently have RSS feeds tapped into Craigslist for BVM (or PVM) monitors, so if anything comes up, I'll be on it. However, ebay listings have already surpassed what I can justify financially, not to mention the cost of shipping on top. (I'm sure this has much to do with their growing scarcity combined with the recent praise and promotion they've had among the retro gaming and hardware enthusiast scene).

It's ironic! Back when I could probably afford one, I had nowhere to put it (nor would the wife or baby allow for it), and now that I have the space, it's no longer affordable... That said, I really do love the NEC MultiSync! :)
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Fudoh, I will definitely check on the AVS Forums regarding the PSU replacement.

Does the HDFury add to the XRGB-mini's 24ms of lag?

I will keep an eye out for Marqs' unit to become available! Thanks!
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As with so many others my journey started in my childhood, with 8/16 bit consoles on CRT's, and as an adult came full circle back to the same thing
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Fudoh wrote:
I'm currently trying to figure out whether to pick up an XRGB-2 or XRGB-2 Plus, as they both seem very uncomplicated, they both have VGA out, and they both handle 240p quite well...
wait for Marqs' line doubler unit instead.
I second this, especially if, like you said, you're on a tight budget.

If a PVM/BVM or a Mitsubishi Diamondtron (or whatever the hell they are called) or the other high quality monitors (Olympus comes to mind as well) doesn't show up in a reasonable amount of time, marqs' linedoubler will probably be the way to go. (and I'll take one as well for when I don't feel like to fire up my BVM and shit).
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Does the HDFury add to the XRGB-mini's 24ms of lag?
no.
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Good to hear. Thanks!
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Fudoh,

Does the Framemeister do a far better job de-interlacing the PS2 than the HD Box Pro?
I've been very happy with the HDBPro's handling of 480i, but if the XRGB-mini does it even better, I'd have to give it a chance...
Mind you, I most likely would not be up-scaling the image, but rather keeping it at 480 horizontal lines on the CRT.
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If you're aiming at 480p output you should not get a Framemeister. It's 480p output is rather soft - considerably softer than the 480p output of the older XRGB units.

The deinterlacing is excellent. The adaptive deinterlacing on the HDBox (or the Edge) is aimed at video, so it does a lot of interpolation and smoothes out most jaggies or pixels. The Mini is very different in this regard as it keeps a certain pixel look and does a lot less to smoothen out the picture.

Get your Edge repaired. Get Marqs' unit and be done with it.
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Fudoh wrote:If you're aiming at 480p output you should not get a Framemeister. It's 480p output is rather soft - considerably softer than the 480p output of the older XRGB units.

The deinterlacing is excellent. The adaptive deinterlacing on the HDBox (or the Edge) is aimed at video, so it does a lot of interpolation and smoothes out most jaggies or pixels. The Mini is very different in this regard as it keeps a certain pixel look and does a lot less to smoothen out the picture.

Get your Edge repaired. Get Marqs' unit and be done with it.
Hey fudoh. I really appreciated your article on the Extron Andora because of its ability to support vga and LCD tv's 480p scaling at close to no effect on lag input. I also noticed your rocking one of the fastest Sony model LCD TV's in existstence. That being said, are you able to test/play your shmups on that LCD with the MINI. Without noticeable input lag?

I am waiting for my Sony to arrive but I want to make sure I'm using a scaler on it that won't effect my gameplay. So I'm asking you for an updated opinion on where you stand on the Framemeister.

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Your coming W9 combined with a Mini sums up to roughly 2 frames of total lag. That's perfectly ok in my opinion. It's definitely nothing that will kill your gameplay. On very timing-critical games you will feel that you'll have to adjust a little, but that's done after a couple of hours spent with the new setup.

If you get marqs's line doubler instead of a Mini you don't add anything to your display's lag, but you'll be limited to 480p output (instead of 720p from the Mini). 480p from marqs's doubler is very close to 720p from the Mini, but the scanlines look a bit different (1:1 pattern on 480p vs. 1:2 pattern on 720p).
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It sounds like you are "CRT curious"? :) My advice is to buy a decent consumer grade CRT TV to see if that is the road you want to go down. People are giving these things away so are easy to pick up. Yes, the image quality is not quite as good as a PVM but if you've got it hooked up via RGB it will look great.

For me, it's an emotional thing. Playing retro games on an LCD just doesn't feel right. As soon as I made the switch back to CRT I realised there was no going back.
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Great to hear the mini SLG worked well for your setup!
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Crafty+Mech wrote:Great to hear the mini SLG worked well for your setup!
Absolutely! It's done a wonderful job in just about every situation. :)
However, I wonder if you might be able to answer two questions regarding the Mini SLG?

1. My current setup requires the use of a VGA switch (which works quite well), however In the process of trying different pass through configurations with the switch, I noticed the other day that I had the Mini SLG plugged in backwards (OUT/SRC), and yet it had been working... In the past I seem to remember it not working properly if placed backwards in the chain.., but for some reason it seems to be working backwards and forwards with the Waka Upscan Converter and the Dreamcast being passed through... My question is, what is the difference (backwards vs forwards)? (I assume that it's important as it is clearly marked on the device)

2. I just picked up a Wii/PS3 to VGA cable (basically a very simple component to VGA transcoder in cable form), and it makes the Wii look AMAZING on my 22" 31Khz CRT! The image looks perfect (as good as I've ever seen the Wii look), but apparently the Mini SLG will not work with it... When the SLG is turned off, the image flickers slightly (much like the vertical flicker with the old XRGB units), and when the SLG is turned on, it just darkens the image slightly (no scan lines though). I think it may even be shifting the entire image down a line, but I'm not sure... Does this make sense?
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RetroGame❤ wrote:
Crafty+Mech wrote:Great to hear the mini SLG worked well for your setup!
Absolutely! It's done a wonderful job in just about every situation. :)
However, I wonder if you might be able to answer two questions regarding the Mini SLG?

1. My current setup requires the use of a VGA switch (which works quite well), however In the process of trying different pass through configurations with the switch, I noticed the other day that I had the Mini SLG plugged in backwards (OUT/SRC), and yet it had been working... In the past I seem to remember it not working properly if placed backwards in the chain.., but for some reason it seems to be working backwards and forwards with the Waka Upscan Converter and the Dreamcast being passed through... My question is, what is the difference (backwards vs forwards)? (I assume that it's important as it is clearly marked on the device)

2. I just picked up a Wii/PS3 to VGA cable (basically a very simple component to VGA transcoder in cable form), and it makes the Wii look AMAZING on my 22" 31Khz CRT! The image looks perfect (as good as I've ever seen the Wii look), but apparently the Mini SLG will not work with it... When the SLG is turned off, the image flickers slightly (much like the vertical flicker with the old XRGB units), and when the SLG is turned on, it just darkens the image slightly (no scan lines though). I think it may even be shifting the entire image down a line, but I'm not sure... Does this make sense?

Which line doubler or VGA box are you using for your scart gaming to your monitor?
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Hoagtech wrote:Which line doubler or VGA box are you using for your scart gaming to your monitor?
Waka Upscan Converter (and Performance DC VGA box passing through the Waka).
I've gone ahead and placed the Mini SLG directly on the Waka's output (so that it's chained correctly). I was just curious how it happened to be working (displaying proper scanlines) in reverse when I mistakenly had it chained backwards at the switch...


As for the Wii to VGA cable, there's no upscaling or processing going on, aside from pure YPbPr to VGA transcoding... (so I'm just placing the SLG at the end of the cable that is going straight into the CRT monitor).
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Is this the cable you have ? :

Wii-PS3-Cable-Computer-Monitor-Pc

I'm surprised you're getting good results with it as when I was considering it a few years ago I read only terrible reviews by people. I guess CRT is in a class of its own :roll:
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RetroGame❤ wrote:
Crafty+Mech wrote:Great to hear the mini SLG worked well for your setup!
Absolutely! It's done a wonderful job in just about every situation. :)
However, I wonder if you might be able to answer two questions regarding the Mini SLG?

1. My current setup requires the use of a VGA switch (which works quite well), however In the process of trying different pass through configurations with the switch, I noticed the other day that I had the Mini SLG plugged in backwards (OUT/SRC), and yet it had been working... In the past I seem to remember it not working properly if placed backwards in the chain.., but for some reason it seems to be working backwards and forwards with the Waka Upscan Converter and the Dreamcast being passed through... My question is, what is the difference (backwards vs forwards)? (I assume that it's important as it is clearly marked on the device)

2. I just picked up a Wii/PS3 to VGA cable (basically a very simple component to VGA transcoder in cable form), and it makes the Wii look AMAZING on my 22" 31Khz CRT! The image looks perfect (as good as I've ever seen the Wii look), but apparently the Mini SLG will not work with it... When the SLG is turned off, the image flickers slightly (much like the vertical flicker with the old XRGB units), and when the SLG is turned on, it just darkens the image slightly (no scan lines though). I think it may even be shifting the entire image down a line, but I'm not sure... Does this make sense?
1. The SLG will still work if plugged in backwards in most situations, however I marked the pcb with Src & Output so that users would all try that configuration first. Makes it easier for me to troubleshoot issues.

2. VGA cables are a mixed bag. It really depends on the resolution & sync polarity the cables output. 640x480 with -vsync is what the SLG requires to work, so my guess would be the VGA cable is outputting +vsync.
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Nice story. Better than mine since I just happen to do everything so fast it really wasnt much of a story. I learned from the knowledge from many of the people here had already accumulated over the years. I like hearing people trials and errors.

I do however gotta chime in on the fact that the combination of an xrgb mini and a vga monitor is a winning combination. It works with all my consoles without too much of a fuzz. You still have to set up your mini and monitor a bit but it's nothing too complicated. I like the results I get from it. Though adding fake scanlines to a crt feels kinda weird, but it helps tremendously for me.

Damn Fudoh beat me to the punch.
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werk91 wrote:Is this the cable you have ? :

Wii-PS3-Cable-Computer-Monitor-Pc

I'm surprised you're getting good results with it as when I was considering it a few years ago I read only terrible reviews by people. I guess CRT is in a class of its own :roll:
Yes! Believe it or not... I actually picked up mine for $15 bucks!: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-5-FT-Wii- ... ZX89Uy41sA

For a while I was going Wii > Component > HD Box Pro > 22" NEC CRT, and while this looked very good (and at 480p should have been a pure transcoding job), the HD Box Pro's internal picture settings were altering the image slightly... No matter how much I tweaked it, I was getting the faintest ringing on Virtual Console games. (for example SOR2 on Mega Drive, when paused, had obvious ringing that could be reduced but not eliminated).

I also tried the Startech Component to VGA transcoder, which also worked, but not without some color issues (and for over $60, I can't justify a transcoder that has color issues), so I returned it.

Then I found out about the VDIGI Wii to VGA cable (which is dedicated just for Wii), and I figured I might try it, however, it is now rare and impossible to find, so I settled on this $15 gamble that works with Wii & PS3... And what can I say? WOW!!! I connected my Wii with the cable, and it's the absolute purest 480p image that I've been able to get out of the console. Virtual Console games look so crisp without the slightest bit of ringing, and Wii titles also look like a showcase for the platform. I haven't tested it with a PS3 yet, but I did try using it with the PS2 (with both native 480p titles and forced 480p through GS Mode Selector), but my CRT would not sync to it...

The only drawback to this otherwise excellent cable the fact that it doesn't seem to work with an SLG...

Another issue (but not really the cable's fault) is that it's just a transcoder, so unless you have a CRT with D-Sub 15 that can handle 15Khz signals, you have no choice but to run everything at 480p. Now, this is not a problem for 95% of the content on Wii, and several 480i only games can be forced into 480p through USB Loader software, however, you will lose the Neo Geo VC titles, as the Wii WILL NOT output those in 480p.

Also, all 240p Virtual Console games are scaled internally by the Wii to 480p when the Wii is set to 480p mode, so while they do look basically line doubled, they are not quite as sharp as they might be if the Wii were chained (with this cable) through an XRGB-2 or 2+, as the 15Khz signal would be treated much better, I imagine... I don't have an XRGB-2 or 2+, though, so I couldn't really say, but it seems logical.
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The XRGB-2's linedoubling isn't as sharp as the 2+ and 3. Also it doesn't take Component.
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tacoguy64 wrote:Nice story. Better than mine since I just happen to do everything so fast it really wasnt much of a story. I learned from the knowledge from many of the people here had already accumulated over the years. I like hearing people trials and errors.

I do however gotta chime in on the fact that the combination of an xrgb mini and a vga monitor is a winning combination. It works with all my consoles without too much of a fuzz. You still have to set up your mini and monitor a bit but it's nothing too complicated. I like the results I get from it.
Thanks for the kind words! Yeah, I just figured I'd try to make things a little interesting, otherwise who would want to read it... right?

As for the XRGB-mini, I've definitely been tempted to click "Buy It Now" several times over the past few years, and I've watched almost every video and read nearly every article that one can regarding the device, but back when I got my DVDO Edge, I really learned something about myself... I don't really enjoy tweaking settings... I like "zen" and simplicity. I like a box that does one (maybe two things really well, and is plug and play). The DVDO Edge was a settings tweaker's dream, as you could adjust almost any aspect of the image that you could think of. The Framemeister is no exception, and I understand it's inspired webpages, Wikis and threads dedicated to documenting a number of specific usage profiles. This is where it kind of turns me off, because I end up spending too much time fooling with the device, and not enough time enjoying the game.

I understand this is a relevant topic... Gamers vs. Gearheads. For many people out there, playing video games is the hobby of their youth, and they've really come to focus more and more on their interest in aquiring and testing new hardware. The games themselves end up being not much more than a beautiful way to benchmark a piece of kit. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. In fact, it's these folks that inform the rest of the community about what works well and what doesn't. However, I am somewhere in the middle. I do love hardware, but I still very much love gaming, and it is so nice when you can find a device that strikes a balance between performance and plug-and-play ease of use.

I still haven't ruled out picking up an XRGB-mini, but perhaps I may wait until the next iteration is released and it comes down in price a bit more...
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tacoguy64 wrote:Though adding fake scanlines to a crt feels kinda weird, but it helps tremendously for me.
As for scanlines on a 31Khz monitor, I've heard so many people say it's blasphemy, but I completely disagree. Think about what you trying to achieve? You're getting 2 CRT monitors for the price of 1 (or at least taking up the space of 1). Unbeatable Colors, Glowing Phosphors (basically the difference maker), OSD Analog Control, 31Khz Compatability, and near perfect emulation of 15Khz look through line-doubling and then cancelling the doubled lines with an SLG. In other words, it's the closest thing to having a 15Khz monitor without actually having one, and if space is at a premium, this makes a lot of sense. Regardless, whether scanlines are used on an LCD, Plasma or 31Khz CRT, in the end you're still emulating a 15Khz CRT...
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RetroGame❤ wrote:As for scanlines on a 31Khz monitor, I've heard so many people say it's blasphemy
So many people haven't seen an actual crt pc monitor in so many years they don't even know what they're saying anymore.
(Some haven't even seen one in their whole life ^^)
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my 2 cents on scanline emulation on a CRT: either full or nothing. In between (what most people including myself use on a LCD) looks weird on a CRT. 480p with scanlines tends to give you very strong scanlines, which can be countered by allowing some blooming (increased white level settings). 720p with scanlines looks very, very nice.
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Fudoh wrote:my 2 cents on scanline emulation on a CRT: either full or nothing. In between (what most people including myself use on a LCD) looks weird on a CRT. 480p with scanlines tends to give you very strong scanlines, which can be countered by allowing some blooming (increased white level settings). 720p with scanlines looks very, very nice.
You're absolutely right about this! (Which is why the Framemeister + HDFury combo may be a foregone conclusion for me)
I keep hearing about those amazing 720p scanlines...
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