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CMoon wrote:
Acid_Rain wrote:What do you think about the different endings of the game?
I've seen all three. It is interesting that the 'bad' ending (yharnam sunrise) feels the most comforting, but you've fixed nothing and ultimately are in the same position as the other NPCs you run into. The other endings are ultimately disturbing. The best ending is the most disturbing, which maybe is in keeping the the dark lord ending in Dark Souls. When it comes down to it, the endings are pretty thoughtful.
Yea, same here. I really enjoyed the endings and the overal cosmic-horror-thing in this game.
I never read any H.P. Lovecraft, but perhaps I should start reading those.
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Acid_Rain wrote: Yea, same here. I really enjoyed the endings and the overal cosmic-horror-thing in this game.
I never read any H.P. Lovecraft, but perhaps I should start reading those.
I wouldn't expect to start reading the script for bloodborne, but I think Lovecraft obviously needs to be read by anyone with an interest in 'cosmic horror'. His writing has long been public domain so your investment should range from cheap to free. My favorite story by far is At The Mountains of Madness, but it is also over 100 pages versus the countless short stories which you can read in a few minutes and may suit you just as well.
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Funny how, from where I'm standing, H.P. Lovecraft and Robert E. Howard appear to be the two very most influential writers of XXth Century. Not even Kafka is quite up there.
I mean, ever since the end of World War I, there wasn't anything more significant.
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So ive probably pumped about 40 hrs into this so far and I have to admit I really miss magic coming from the souls series....the gun parrying system is abit poop ive managed to do it a few times but not on a boss as of yet...thats another point the bosses in this game are pretty tough, most are very very aggressive and seem to have life bars that go on forever not to mention when they reach a certain threshold they power up becoming even more menacing and aggressive.

I like the setting and general atmosphere of the game but I cant see myself doing a NG+ once im done here will probably stick it on ebay.
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Khan wrote:I like the setting and general atmosphere of the game but I cant see myself doing a NG+ once im done here will probably stick it on ebay.
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Khan wrote:So ive probably pumped about 40 hrs into this so far and I have to admit I really miss magic coming from the souls series....the gun parrying system is abit poop ive managed to do it a few times but not on a boss as of yet...thats another point the bosses in this game are pretty tough, most are very very aggressive and seem to have life bars that go on forever not to mention when they reach a certain threshold they power up becoming even more menacing and aggressive.

I like the setting and general atmosphere of the game but I cant see myself doing a NG+ once im done here will probably stick it on ebay.
I do not feel that Miyazaki lied when he talked about the idea of desperate combat. Clearly everything has been done to jettison the likes of soul arrow, and unless you really pump your stats, every boss fight stands a reasonable chance of killing you. Hell, everyday scrubs can do it easily. Try ignoring your vitality stat and watch yourself one shot by forest peons. When this game is doing what it is supposed to, I feel like I'm weaving in and out of combat like Godhand or some game like that. In a way, it isn't really all that much like the souls games.

I don't get your comment about the gun parrying since I think it is about the same as DS1. Some enemies I can get it all day, others have a tighter window. You learn which enemies to use it on and which ones to ignore. Not all the bosses can be parried, but in general the humanoid ones can be.

And yeah, tough bosses. No kidding. I've no problem with it except for the vial system and how if I am struggling I find myself running out of vials and having to farm. Beyond that, it is the bosses that keep me coming back. Shadows of Yarnam is a complete rush that I fail at most of the time and I still haven't figured out Logarius.

I don't really bother with NG+ and am more excited about mastering the bosses with the purpose of speed running it. I think most of what you listed as negatives I see as a positive. I keep trying to put in a little bit of time every day to get better. Fantastic game!
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CMoon wrote:
Khan wrote:So ive probably pumped about 40 hrs into this so far and I have to admit I really miss magic coming from the souls series....the gun parrying system is abit poop ive managed to do it a few times but not on a boss as of yet...thats another point the bosses in this game are pretty tough, most are very very aggressive and seem to have life bars that go on forever not to mention when they reach a certain threshold they power up becoming even more menacing and aggressive.

I like the setting and general atmosphere of the game but I cant see myself doing a NG+ once im done here will probably stick it on ebay.
I do not feel that Miyazaki lied when he talked about the idea of desperate combat. Clearly everything has been done to jettison the likes of soul arrow, and unless you really pump your stats, every boss fight stands a reasonable chance of killing you. Hell, everyday scrubs can do it easily. Try ignoring your vitality stat and watch yourself one shot by forest peons. When this game is doing what it is supposed to, I feel like I'm weaving in and out of combat like Godhand or some game like that. In a way, it isn't really all that much like the souls games.

I don't get your comment about the gun parrying since I think it is about the same as DS1. Some enemies I can get it all day, others have a tighter window. You learn which enemies to use it on and which ones to ignore. Not all the bosses can be parried, but in general the humanoid ones can be.

And yeah, tough bosses. No kidding. I've no problem with it except for the vial system and how if I am struggling I find myself running out of vials and having to farm. Beyond that, it is the bosses that keep me coming back. Shadows of Yarnam is a complete rush that I fail at most of the time and I still haven't figured out Logarius.

I don't really bother with NG+ and am more excited about mastering the bosses with the purpose of speed running it. I think most of what you listed as negatives I see as a positive. I keep trying to put in a little bit of time every day to get better. Fantastic game!
Its a great game for sure, even though its very souls it still has its own little quirks that make it quite a unique experience, re:parrying maybe your right I havent really tried as much as I should have with it as ive been running around with 2 handing the hunter axe +6 which has worked quite well for me so far, only boss that gave me any real headache was vicar amelia but decided to leave her for a while a go farm a few levels 5 levels later I beat her and took maybe 2 hits from the encounter, I still rate the game quite highly but being a spell caster in any rpg game ive played I do miss that aspect I'd probably keep the game but at the moment ill probably ebay it to get Scholar of the sin on ps4 having just cleared vanilla ds2 on pc not long ago Im interested to see what improvements they have made and just how good the dlc is since I never bothered with it in the first instance.
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OK, reposting because I just beat shadows tonight on base vitality with blades of mercy. Not that I haven't beat them before, but every time feels like a real victory. The other souls games don't feel quite this intense to me (O&S came close, but once you got to second phase it was over); I seriously have to go back and play godhand, because I get so much of that intensity out of this game. I think Shadows, Gehrman and Logarius are the only bosses that are ramped up this high like Allant in Demon's Souls, though I think they're better. It makes me wish that Gwynn could have been this good...I know it is what they wanted.

The truly strange thing about all these From games is that the first play through is so far from the way you'll end up playing the game. Its more like an introductory hand shake (or a slap in the face.) You don't consider your first time playing street fighter to be the pinnacle of your fighting game experience, but people talk about their first play through of these games like their first orgasm or something. Bullshit. Its learning to master this shit, playing it a dozen times (or more) until those bosses are like sparring partners; that's when this game really comes to life. I love the world and exploration etc. but hands down Bloodborne is a better single person action game than any of the souls games.

I've no clue when I'm actually going to be done with it (played Dark Souls off and on since it came out and only stopped when BB came out), but I'd like bosses like Shadows of Yarnam to be easy by the time I'm done. They're not; they're still really fucking hard. I love it!
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Finally completed this last night at level 90 I also managed to kinda get the hang of the visceral attacks infact id got gehrman with it a fair number of times! the moon beast after him was a pain but I beat it on my second try, I got invaded about 5 times in my whole game I dont like the fact that the invader can heal imo it should be like souls 2 where if you invade your not allowed any healing except via spells. In anycase I gotta admit I had fun with this game and I got that weird Devil may cry vibe from it as well I dont know whether its the dash and gun combos that made me feel that but nonetheless it was a great game!
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My wife & I played through Bloodborne together, quite literally.
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We're going to be streaming tonight as we try to fight Gehrman at level 4 with a shared controller...hope some of you guys can drop in!

https://www.reddit.com/r/bloodborne/com ... challenge/
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Necronopticous wrote:We're going to be streaming tonight as we try to fight Gehrman at level 4 with a shared controller...hope some of you guys can drop in!

https://www.reddit.com/r/bloodborne/com ... challenge/
Incredible!
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CMoon wrote:Here comes the DLC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0epRh6bSBEo
fuck, i can't wait for this
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More gigantic hairy beast bosses. Great.
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DestroyTheCore wrote:More gigantic hairy beast bosses. Great.

:lol:

Well, whatcha gonna do?

Looks like there's a decent amount of new weapons. The bow is cool, and could make for a new way to tackle the game (maybe).
I noticed a couple of new outfits.

Even though I can't tell the areas in BB apart very much (same colors), I'm told there's about 3 areas on display in the trailer. The castle with the stairs, looks new.

For 20 dollars, I hope this is a good sized expansion. As great as the game is, it needs fleshed out a bit, to compare better to it's brethren.
I think they knew it was a bit short, when making it...and I think that's why they added the Chalice Dungeons. But they suck. And it's obvious not much time was taken to make many areas for that. They could have made maybe one cool area with all the stuff in the CDs. But instead, we have tons of dungeons, that are all the same.

That part of the game (which is completely skippable, thank goodness) is REALLY shoddy. Thank God it's not something you have to do. Otherwise, it would hurt the overall game experience.
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Note that a lot of sites reported this as "the first DLC expansion for Bloodborne". It might be just one site copy/pasting from another, but it could also imply that there is more DLC on the way. That Japan is getting a new physical edition of Bloodborne that includes this expansion does not support this hypothesis, though.
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WTF 1:24-1:25 was that a spell? :shock:
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I'm amazed they're releasing this at near enough the same time as dark souls 3. I probably won't get dks3 on release now, I'll just play bloodborne till the price drops.
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Immryr wrote:I'm amazed they're releasing this at near enough the same time as dark souls 3. I probably won't get dks3 on release now, I'll just play bloodborne till the price drops.
Eh, they're about 4 months away. Also, let's imagine this is something on the scale of the artorias of the abyss, a fantastic dlc but probably not 4 months worth of gameplay.

One of the things I'm most intrigued by with the dlc is the possibility that it puts yharnam into another day/night stage-or perhaps even a nightmare stage. It has been pointed out that some of the shots in the trailer are familiar areas, but with different enemies in them. For instance, there's one shot in the trailer appears to be the sewers, but filled with blood. What I am hoping is that rather than a segmented off smaller area, the DLC puts a huge chunk of yharnam into an alternate nightmare stage (where old hunters are trapped) along with some new areas.
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Oh I had march in my head for dks3 for some reason.
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Dark Souls III comes out at the end of March.

The DLC probably isn't going to be more than a few hours long. So, I think you'd be pretty ready for Dark Souls III, when it comes out.
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Considering it costs $20, I suppose there should be a significant amount of content, unless it's due to rising production costs in the industry.
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What?
That trailer was full of normal bloodborne content. Is it just a huge patch that costs money?
That's the impression I got from the trailer. There was only 1 new boss and 1 new area, rest of the trailer was normal content with new equipment.
Everything 0:58 onwards is old stuff.
CMoon wrote: It has been pointed out that some of the shots in the trailer are familiar areas, but with different enemies in them.
The majority of the trailer is. Considering this, your suggestion is what I'd imagine the DLC to be about
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FROMSOFT has an amazing track record with the quality & length of their DLC. Also, this is the first time they've ever used the term "expansion," so I think it is safe to assume it will be the most content they've ever added to a game post-release. At the SCEJA press conference Shuhei Yoshida called it a "full-scale expansion." There is really no reason to doubt.
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The trailer did have a bunch of old stuff in it, but I assume that that's because they just wanted to show off some of the new weapons without spoiling the new areas and enemies. If it is just a rehash of old content, though, that'll be really disappointing. For $20, I'm expecting it to be pretty meaty. Artorias was $15 and the Dark Souls II season pass was $25, so something in between those in size & scope would be fine.
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I was pretty disappointed in the trailer, due to all the old stages being shown.

But as everyone is saying, they have a good record with DLC. I'd be shocked if it was just that.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qsgokKjKC8

So there's a lot of footage showing up from the demo which seems pretty small (players seemed to be stumbling into the boss immediately.) This one mostly shows off the bowblade, but there are others which show the whip club (and you can see a hunter using it here.) Interesting to note that the area in the demo seems to be a nightmare version of yharnam instead of the big open area of the frontier.

Obviously a demo is a demo and there's no way to reply to some of the comments you guys are making until we have more info. There are plenty of things which imply that this is a major expansion, but you won't find any evidence here in the demo footage. Will it be worth $20...how can anybody know that right now?
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Well, there's no way they would show all that in the demo, and for it to be most of the DLC. I would assume it will be moderately sized.
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