Windows "it doesn't go to 11"

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:59 pm

Yeah, I discovered that too.

I've also discovered that ZellSF is right - many

File overwrites are quite slow for no apparent reason - even if I skip writing the last file, the progress bar crawls along for a couple seconds for no apparent reason. I've gotta check that last file access writes are disabled, but I'm still at a loss here.

Also looks like NTLEA is broken a bit, but there's a new version out to test.

There appears to be multiple issues with Irfanview, which just came out with a new 64-bit version. Thankfully the old version still should work, but Chrome blocks downloads due to malicious files, and the website itself has pulled down multiple DL links due to a hacker attack. So if you don't have Irfanview, now isn't the time to get it...

The default photo app works, but its UI is clumsy, it shows no labels (at least by default), has a strange behavior when hitting the "end" key (doesn't skip to the end of the folder), and alt-tab seems to always want to pull up a previous Photo window if there's one open, rather than immediately switching to the previous window.

Lots of issues still to get worked out.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:16 am

Does moviemaker support HEVC or 5.1 audio yet?

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:02 am

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/wind ... windows-10
Well, there you go.

Good riddance, I say. Best they focused on things closer to the core of the operating system - whatever that means. Even the simple paint and photo viewer style applications are disappointing (though Paint isn't bad, it's a bit of a mystery why they don't bundle Paint.NET along (last I checked, it was being developed by a developer at Microsoft itself, though the app's homepage shows some other copyright holder).

But back on track - there are a lot of open sores / freeware movie editors out there. VLC versions can do some HEVC stuff and there may even be some full featured movie editors supporting direct HEVC encodes. If not, you can always encode a raw file, at an extra step.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:34 pm

Thanks Ed. Was just looking at editors just now and saw that AVS looks like a good editor.

So far just used moviemaker. Heard W10 was going to introduce HEVC as the file sizes my version creates is enormous.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:10 pm

I had a look into it - that support just seems to be for playback. There's nothing here that VLC wasn't already doing, unfortunately.

Blinge · Post by **Blinge** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:01 pm

Ed Oscuro wrote:http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/wind ... windows-10
Well, there you go.

Good riddance, I say. Best they focused on things closer to the core of the operating system - whatever that means.

Well yeah, what does that mean? Why remove video editing software that had apparently been getting better since the XP days (i think). I used to love messing around with xp movie maker as a teen, it's the reason I can edit video and use better software now. I don't understand how offering less is a step forward for microsoft. XP's image viewer can open gifs, W7 cannot: it's fucking annoying.
Surely shit like this is just driving more people into the welcoming "we'll do everything for you" arms of apple.

Incidentally, when I moved onto better video editors I didn't buy them as I couldn't afford to.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:43 pm

It's a question of priorities. I don't see the point of Microsoft chasing after markets that are better served by free software than Movie Maker, while parts of Windows that are not going to be changed by a free download or third party program still need some fixes. With the "Windows as as service" model, if enough people clamor for Movie Maker, or Windows Media Center for that matter, they can always revisit it later. We are still in the early days of the OS.

I know I write a lot, so I'll recap what I said earlier about Photos for you: The new all-in-one default Photos application will view GIFs. Fast animated GIFs might not be played back at the right speed, where Irfanview does, but it's actually a better default viewer than I had stated previously. For example, you can use the scroll wheel to move through images in a folder, like Irfanview.

I don't much see the point of trying to put Microsoft on the hook for Win7's faults relative to XP at this late date. I don't recall the issues about GIFs on Win7 clearly, but I think animation might have been at issue there as well.

Microsoft has also gotten the install size of Win 10 down considerably - no doubt some of this is not by bundling along things which I feel should be, like DirectX. On the other hand, I am definitely willing to give them the benefit of the doubt when they're trying to start from a clean slate, especially as it's still covering two structure paradigms (Metro apps and tablet stuff, and classic desktop).

Blinge · Post by **Blinge** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:38 pm

Alright, thanks for elaborating. I only brought up the win7 image problem as an example, as it's what I'm used to.

I suppose the only people who lose out from lack of a movie maker are those who aren't computer literate enough to find a replacement.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:06 pm

Lusers (

) have always been an interesting challenge for software designed for everybody. One thing in Windows 10 that's promising is that when you go to the new Start menu, you can immediately start typing and get a search result - rather like Windows 7, but arguably more flexible since it searches through not only your installed programs and documents, but also the Windows Store and finally the web. And if you are logged in to the 'net it will also intelligently kick you out to an Internet search if you don't find what you're expecting. It doesn't give searches like this more OS integration - you'd think that they might expect more searches for "movie maker" and "media center" but they aren't specially flagged. However, in a way it is nice that I'm not being inundated with references to old stuff I don't care about.

For example: I press Start, type 'movie maker' and it shows "movie maker" with "search the web" underneath (explaining what it's going to do). That in turn puts a new tab of a Bing search at the end of the Firefox window I'm typing on right now. The results show some movie maker stuff, but at the very top it also shows roughly this:

Movie Maker is not available in Windows 10
Windows Movie Maker is not available for Windows 10. To find an app for creating and editing video, visit the Windows Store.

Help from Microsoft

Below that are links to websites covering Movie Maker, including Wikipedia which will then put you two more clicks away from a list of video editing software, including free and open-source.

I might as well link it now:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_v ... g_software

As an aside, flipping through folders full of files seems slower in Windows 10 than in Windows 7, but I need to play around with saved searches and the like. I don't know if getting rid of saved searches to speed drive access is going to have any impact on how the Start menu searches operate. I'm hoping that the worst it will do is just get rid of file suggestions, which I don't want to show up in Start menu (a pretty useless way of organizing and using big collections of media, anyway).

gameoverDude · Post by **gameoverDude** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:04 am

Seems like Microsoft is getting a bit greedy, stripping Win10 of certain nice-to-have apps from 7. Think I'll stay with Win7 for quite a while. And if I did go to Win10, then I'd be looking for free alternatives to Movie Maker, Media Player, the DVD player, etc.

The solitaire game is adware in Win10. If you don't rent it for $1.49 a month or $10 a year, you'll get ads between games. Again, I'd rather find a freeware alternative. $1.49 a month isn't much but I don't like the rental concept. What next, are they going to make a Windows 10 Arcade which is free to download but you have to buy "tokens" to play the games in it instead of a one-time flat fee?

I'm perfectly happy with Win 7. W10 has a boatload of privacy issues. While there are workarounds, BOO to Microsoft for not allowing "opt out" on the Diagnostic Tracking.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:26 am

I don't care about solitaire.

I do care about the potential for performance wins in games and in everyday work (still working on this a bit).

gameoverDude wrote:BOO to Microsoft for not allowing "opt out" on the Diagnostic Tracking.

But they do.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:58 pm

Some notes:
"Language for non-Unicode programs" fixed Japanese doujin issues mainly

Alcohol 120% haters rejoice, there's a Mount command in the menu for ISOs! Unfortunately Windows isn't smart enough to toggle that with an "Eject" command if you reselect the ISO, so you have to go Eject from the new virtual drive. I also don't know if it'll support other formats, but it's a good step.
Sandboxie's Win10 beta version has been updating regularly, and their new hook version allowed me to install Soldier of Fortune: Payback (BARF!) and play it. Unfortunately, sound effects were pure siren static.
Just grabbed the most recent drivers off Microsoft Update Catalog for my sound driver. I don't know if it'll fix Payback (which I've deleted from Sandboxie) but I'll see if it gives sound to other games.

Another issue worth mentioning - old AMD cards have been dropped from new DirectX 12 feature support. I checked DxDiag in hopes it'd show the DirectX 9.0c compatibility - I guess it is - but instead I discovered that my card is only getting DirectX 11.2.

In other words, AMD has dropped support for old cards which probably could support Dx12, while nVidia cards from that time are still supported. While it remains to be seen if DirectX 12 will allow the oldest DirectX cards to remain up-to-date in Windows, it seems that you can't rely on driver updates past a certain point, and that point comes faster for AMD than nVidia.

cave hermit · Post by **cave hermit** » Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:21 pm

http://www.alphr.com/microsoft/microsof ... l-hardware

I can see so many false positives occurring.

And what constitutes "unauthorized hardware peripheral devices" exactly? Any USB device or hardware not licensed by Microsoft?

ZellSF · Post by **ZellSF** » Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:35 pm

cave hermit wrote:http://www.alphr.com/microsoft/microsof ... l-hardware

I can see so many false positives occurring.

And what constitutes "unauthorized hardware peripheral devices" exactly? Any USB device or hardware not licensed by Microsoft?

It's just sensational bullshit and I'm wondering why you're reading so crappy tech sites.

Microsoft are not disabling pirated software. Well not any more than they currently are.

szycag · Post by **szycag** » Mon Aug 17, 2015 8:50 pm

I was on the phone with my grandma for an hour because she updated to Windows 10, and it doesn't have drivers for whatever crappy Compaq display adapter is in her computer, so she was stuck at 1024x768. So be prepared for such calls if any of your older family members have Wal-Mart shitbox computers from 2009 and you told them to go ahead and opt in to the update.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:47 pm

I'm still waiting for Windows 10 to be ready for my comp (though it says it's compatible).

ED-057 · Post by **ED-057** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:36 am

I like Windows 2000.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:48 am

szycag wrote:I was on the phone with my grandma for an hour because she updated to Windows 10, and it doesn't have drivers for whatever crappy Compaq display adapter is in her computer, so she was stuck at 1024x768. So be prepared for such calls if any of your older family members have Wal-Mart shitbox computers from 2009 and you told them to go ahead and opt in to the update.

I've been telling people not to opt in straight away

Drivers should still be out there; the trick is searching for Windows 8 / 8.1 drivers if no Windows 10 ones come up. I had to do that to find some drivers from ASUS for my motherboard.

Also, I played Hover. Remember Hover? Works great, but without sound. Hover.ie just ain't the same.

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:11 pm

Very unlikely to "upgrade" to this myself.. don't feel right with the privacy stuff no http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... ot-to.html

And the interface agains hints at things they did with windows 8, those big buttons tailored to suggest you use a selected array of applications/software, limited customization and choice in general.. they are still trying to make money out of this stuff and that may well include personal information in the way that facebook does, and to what ends? where does it go, how is it protected, can we really not opt out of it completely and why? can't trust microsoft. And now this would be for a lot of things you do on your computer, not just what you decide to put online.

I only use (without buying) their systems cause it has best compatibility with games so far cause of monopoly. I'll just stick to 7.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:53 pm

I don't think the customization choices are fewer in Win10 than in Win7.

If you select privacy options at startup then you can opt out of basically everything. The only thing you should definitely keep active is crash reporting, as it ultimately helps your programs and drivers get fixed if they're broken, and that hasn't changed since the online component of Windows Error Reporting was first introduced way back when in XP (itself a logical extension of the even older Dr. Watson error debugger).

All that said, if you're happy with Windows 7 and don't need DirectX 12 (or fear your games / hardware won't support it) then sticking with Windows 7 is okay for now. I'd upgrade before the window of opportunity passes, though.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:56 am

I'll upgrade with my old Windows 7 Home basic key, get the Win10 key and a clean install ISO... then put back my Win7 Home Premium HDD. The switch to 10 will happen when they stop all their spying BS, or once 7 is useless, whichever occurs first.

Ji-L87 · Post by **Ji-L87** » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:41 am

I know I mentioned this back on the first page but, has anyone managed to change their log-on wallpaper without resorting to regedit shenanigans?

As in, the actual screen where you type in your password, not the lock-screen. It just bothers me that I couldn't find any buttons or settings for it, which I don't understand why. I can't be the only one not liking the so-called "hero wallpaper".

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:03 am

Specineff wrote:I'll upgrade with my old Windows 7 Home basic key, get the Win10 key and a clean install ISO... then put back my Win7 Home Premium HDD. The switch to 10 will happen when they stop all their spying BS, or once 7 is useless, whichever occurs first.

That seems like a good plan - Windows 7 Home Premium is the highest tier that gets Windows 10 Home, instead of Pro.

As for the spying stuff, it's a slow drip of news, some good, some bad:

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/21247 ... cked-games

As for the phoning home stuff, it doesn't look problematic to me, but it's early days yet:
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/21 ... t-to-do-so

Ji-L87 wrote:I know I mentioned this back on the first page but, has anyone managed to change their log-on wallpaper without resorting to regedit shenanigans

There is this, but I'm not fooling with it:
http://windows.wonderhowto.com/how-to/c ... 0-0163238/

Ji-L87 · Post by **Ji-L87** » Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:44 pm

Ed Oscuro wrote:
Ji-L87 wrote:I know I mentioned this back on the first page but, has anyone managed to change their log-on wallpaper without resorting to regedit shenanigans
There is this, but I'm not fooling with it:
http://windows.wonderhowto.com/how-to/c ... 0-0163238/

Yeaaaaah, looks a bit too risky for me. Maybe more programs like this will be made in the future tho'

QXC · Post by **QXC** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:00 pm

Dead thread bump, but what do you guys think of W10 now? There's a lot of stuff going on about aggressive updates for older versions now, as well as more details about what it takes to completely disable all of the telemetry functions. Plus microsoft is rolling out ads in the start menu.

Xyga · Post by **Xyga** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:01 pm

Reviewed my opinion: it's shit, even shittier than 8 before the 8.1 update.
(but not Vista-bad)

The pseudo start menu and search function were a smoke screen, even more so than 8 they're in fact turning Windows into a stupid mobile OS.
It's screaming: "I was created for people who don't even want to learn to use a computer, and I will take them by the hand to the store".

Problem 1: contrary to Android and iOS it's absolutely not intuitive, and no matter what they do it will never be, or it won't be Windows at all anymore.
Problem 2: for their desktop or laptop computer people want a fucking desktop windows OS, not a designer's fantasy with ads and tons of built-in spyware. I thought Microsft somehow got that after the Win 8 and Xbone debacles, apparently I was very wrong.

On the positive end it seems to be very light and running smooth even on dirt-cheap laptops, but so did 8.1

Anyway the hate will keep on growing and they'll have to release a new version soon, because that one will forever remain a failure.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:32 pm

I don't think it's that bad. It's easy to bring up programs - just start typing at the Start menu. I guess there might be some users who relied on the Start menu for finding programs and program shortcuts, but that wasn't true for me for a very long time. I don't even have any drives indexed and I don't use the live tiles.

A lot of old games are usable now that I've found out about the -forcesimplewindow compatibility hack. DirectDraw is still too slow for me but I think that can just be fixed with brute force even if Microsoft doesn't speed up the emulation.

Beyond that I have no complaints. Even with my old motherboard's rather spotty support for the OS, startup times are so quick that I don't really care about not being able to sleep or hibernate.

The file replace dialog, which I complained about before, is actually better than the one from Windows 7 now that I'm used to it - aside from it not immediately opening to the file compare dialog (probably necessary to keep hamfisted users from blindly merging folders) it is actually much faster to merge a lot of files, since you don't have to click through every last file.

No way it's as bad as Win8 which had no quick entry into the file structure or desktop to speak of.

ZellSF · Post by **ZellSF** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:14 am

I upgraded (temporarily) to Windows 10 on my main computer. I found no differences between it and the Windows 8 install I was on.

I've never given a crap about the built-in start menu since they removed the classic start menu with Vista. Classic Start Menu (the 3rd party program) is my start menu. Never understood why people rely on Microsoft for that when the third party alternatives are so good.

I like the new notification center, it's a much needed change. Sadly, it doesn't work with focus follows mouse, so I get little use of it. I didn't exactly get much use of the balloon notifications either, so no change there.

I also like the new 1px borders on Windows. I've hated for a long while that Microsoft just wastes space for no reason on window borders and that finally ends with Windows 10. If only it was working perfectly. ATM place a window on the left side of the screen, close it and reopen it it will open again but adjust itself slightly to the right and to the top to compensate for borders that are no longer there... really annoying if you want to use all your desktop space.

Don't like the new visual style. It's basically the same as Windows 8 except you no longer get to choose titlebar color. It's fixable, but I hope one day Microsoft will realize people want less eye searing white on their screens. When they do I hope they also realize that not everyone likes blue.

Compatibility wise all the software (including games) I had worked perfectly on Windows 10. Most of my hardware too, except for some reason my Nvidia 670. I assume that's already fixed though.

All in all once they fixed the remember position bug for Windows, it'll be a painless transition for me. Unlike Windows 8 however, Windows 10 offers no new features for me so it will just be upgrading for a slightly more optimized OS and nothing else.

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