GameFAQs top 10 shmups of all time

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:39 am

Dylan1CC wrote:
Rob wrote:Of course Takumi deserves #1.
Takumi is/was a promising company which peaked with GW2 and Mars Matrix. Night Raid and GWG remind me of when Raizing was on the outs and produced 1944 The Loop Master. If they can rebound and produce a worthy sequel to MM (and show some renewed effort after their lackluster effort with GWG's presentation), then they will be a more steady company IMHO. Right now, unless they start becoming more active they are null as far as I am concerned.

I think they delivered on their promise with those games. Anything else is bonus. Steadiness is not for disturbed genius such as Takumi's.

LoneSage · Post by **LoneSage** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:44 am

The 194x series, appropriately enough, takes World War II as its setting. No aliens or space ships here, just "actual" antique weapons and ships.

Haha, what the fuck...I wonder if he even got to the last boss.

1 or 2 of his were fine (Gradius V) the rest were not so fine (SNS 2).

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WarpZone · Post by **WarpZone** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:41 am

freddiebamboo wrote:Don't see why people are mocking this guy for having an opinion that doesn't match their own.

So the guy likes giga wing, not a crime and he backs up his selections with some knowledge and enthusiasm, and a bit of controversy is never a bad thing.

Agreed. Also the list seems to acknowledge multiple games of a series in one entry rather than, say, giving each DP game a slot. And really for the people that are going to be reading that list, it makes it more interesting and gives it some variety.

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:48 am

OK, I should go easier on the guys too..

But then should this be top ten best, or groundbreakers?

i.e. IMO GigaWing introduced the reflect barrier and was the groundbreaker, but Mars Matrix refined it and became the better game. DonPachi set the stage, but DDP took it further and became the better game.

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:34 am

"The shmup genre is one of the few left alive (barely) that still manages to hold on to its oldschool gameplay and difficulty while still making steady advancement. Help out us shmup junkies by buying at least one if you ever see one! We have to keep the dream alive. If the shmup dies, we all die a little inside."

Now that's rad. You have to give them credit for that.

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:37 am

I think this is an excellent list!

There's many things I don't agree with (e.g. no 16-Bit console shmup like Compiles, TF, GoT, etc), but a lot of it is just a matter of opinion, of course.

And it's always good to choose something controvertial as number 1.

Hopefully it will serve to educate some of the idiots at gamefaqs.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:32 am

doctorx0079 wrote:"The shmup genre is one of the few left alive (barely) that still manages to hold on to its oldschool gameplay and difficulty while still making steady advancement. Help out us shmup junkies by buying at least one if you ever see one! We have to keep the dream alive. If the shmup dies, we all die a little inside."

Now that's rad. You have to give them credit for that.

I agree. I thought it was a very admirable statement myself. Wow, an "admirable statement" coming from Gamefaqs?

I dunno about "barely" alive though. The past few years have seen a small surge in new titles.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:42 am

My top shooter at the moment is DDP DOJ.

Posting stuff like that on the internet is just asking for trouble.. you'd get less crap for saying you were a terrorist

D · Post by D » Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:29 am

and when they do DO something for shooters at gamefaqs, what do we do?

bVork · Post by **bVork** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:40 am

What an oddball list. There are maybe two games (Ikaruga and SnS2) that would be in my personal top 10. Of course, I'm drawn more towards earlier games like Recca and Space Invaders.

Strikers 1945 doesn't belong on any list. Zero Gunner 2 is easily Psikyo's finest moment.

But hey, at least the list has caused debate, rather than an all-out flamewar. It'll be interesting to compare this list to the upcoming annual top 25 ranking.

umi · Post by **umi** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:02 am

Gigawing is so underrated... and it has a couple of my favorite all-time shmup moments in there: Level 5 (trippy), and the last boss (the bio-mech station, not the "true last boss"). I like Gigawing better than Gigawing 2 (except for the soundtrack) as well, so at least in my eyes he has picked the right Gigawing for the list (Haven't played Generations...). R-Type Delta (THE best r-type, and one of the best shmups ever) and Raiden (give me Raiden DX over the original, but they all just improved on the original so it makes sense), are also on there, and so they deserve to be.

Mad props to him. I believe it's called an "opinion" :P Also, must you have played every single shooter to be allowed to form a top ten? Nup... you can tell he's got passion, in any case. Written by anyone on this board? :P

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:10 pm

The only problem I have with top ten anythings in general is that my mind tends to change according to my mood. Don't think I could honestly put together a definitive list of my fave's. I know DDP and Giga Wing 2 would be in the top five, and that's about it. Fair play to the guy though, and amybe it'll spread the word a little amongst less knowledgable gamers.

Edge · Post by **Edge** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:37 pm

Wow!
This list is pretty well chosen. Offcourse I don't agree with every game, but I like that they came up with their own opinions, instead of just listing games because they are famous. I like seeing Giga Wing on #1

Which I think is a great shmup and it's one of my alltime favorites, I think this game is pretty underrated by many.

Because some of you disagree with their games, does not mean that they know nothing about shmups. Yeah maybe they don't know every shmup, but honestly who knows EVERY shmups and have it played properly.

Besides I'd agree with many games on there:

Gradius V and Giga Wing would be in my top 5 for sure. Also R-Type Delta is ace. Just missing DoDonPachi, but if they like DonPachi more.

I was surprised that this list was made so well and obviously with some insight in the gameplay. Not like some GW2 reviews I've read reccently...

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:20 pm

bVork wrote:Strikers 1945 doesn't belong on any list. Zero Gunner 2 is easily Psikyo's finest moment.

It's Strikers 1945 Part 2, actually.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:00 pm

Kiken wrote:
bVork wrote:Strikers 1945 doesn't belong on any list. Zero Gunner 2 is easily Psikyo's finest moment.
It's Strikers 1945 Part 2, actually.

Yes it is.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:30 pm

Dylan1CC wrote:
Kiken wrote:
bVork wrote:Strikers 1945 doesn't belong on any list. Zero Gunner 2 is easily Psikyo's finest moment.
It's Strikers 1945 Part 2, actually.
Yes it is.

just barely.

Alpolio · Post by **Alpolio** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:13 pm

Well, I can't agree with any list that doesn't include Darius.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:20 pm

The list should have been the 5 aforementioned, GW2, MM, Battle Garegga and a couple horis to keep some folks from crying.

G. Darius, Border Down, Salamander 2...are they not excellent?

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:17 pm

like 90% of gamefaqs, that list was complete bullshit... namely, GIGA WING IS NOT ZOMG TEH BEST EVAR.

llabnip · Post by **llabnip** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:24 pm

Good list... reasonably well thought out and some real winners there. My top 10 would be very different (and include more older games) , but then again, everyone's top 10 shmups would likely be different. His is no worse than mine.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:11 pm

Dylan1CC wrote:
Kiken wrote:
bVork wrote:Strikers 1945 doesn't belong on any list. Zero Gunner 2 is easily Psikyo's finest moment.
It's Strikers 1945 Part 2, actually.
Yes it is.

This is a very confusing exchange. Kiken might be saying: Strikers II is the best Psikyo game. Or he might be saying: The 10th game on the list is Strikers II.

I agree with Kiken, if he's saying the latter.

Look again at the original list. HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT STRIKERS 1945 I! He's talking about the US PS1 release, Strikers 1945. But that's Strikers II.

So bVork's original comment misses its target. (Unless bVork is also talking about Strikers II.)

Frogacuda · Post by **Frogacuda** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:14 pm

Some really dumb decisions particularly favoring earlier games in series for no reason. Nobody likes Donpachi more than Dodonpachi. NO ONE. It wasn't as polished of a game. And Raiden over Raiden 2? Gigawing over Gigawing 2? What gives?

Dale · Post by **Dale** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:19 pm

The whole thing is one guy,s opinion. I like it when people have bizare top pics If he would have picked something for number one like Radiant Silvergun it would be a little disapointing becuase thats what everyone picks this makes it more interesting. Besides everyones entitled to there own opinion.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:20 pm

Frogacuda wrote:Nobody likes Donpachi more than Dodonpachi. NO ONE.

CMoon.

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:54 pm

From personal experience...

#1. ESPGaluda
#2. Ikaruga
#3. Einhander
#4. R-Type Delta
#5. Mushihime-sama
#6. Dodonpachi DOJ
#7. Gradius V
#8. Mars Matrix
#9. G-Darius
#10. R-Type Final

anyone else?

Post by **nZero** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:12 pm

Frogacuda wrote:And Raiden over Raiden 2?

Yes.

Damocles · Post by **Damocles** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:14 pm

Rob wrote:
Frogacuda wrote:Nobody likes Donpachi more than Dodonpachi. NO ONE.
CMoon.

And me.

jp · Post by jp » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:27 pm

My top 10 would be:

1. Radiant Silvergun
2. Hyper Duel
3. Border Down
4. Mars Matrix
5. Soukyugurentai
6. Battle Garegga
7. Game Tengoku
8. Thunder Force III
9. Salamander 2
10. Gokujyo Parodius

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:27 pm

Frogacuda wrote:And Raiden over Raiden 2?

Isn't Raiden DX the obvious choice? Or are we not distinguishing 2 and DX for these purposes?

Frogacuda wrote:Gigawing over Gigawing 2? What gives?

I still like the look of GigaWing better than GigaWing 2. Gameplay-wise they are both seriously challenging for me at this time-- maybe in a few years I'll be a better judge. Since GigaWing was more innovative, I will in fact be putting it higher on my top 25 list. Unless, of course, someone here can convince me to do otherwise.

kemical · Post by **kemical** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:35 pm

i play donpachi more than dodon, and i play raiden more than raiden 2, although i admire raiden 2 more than raiden, and i admire dodonpachi more than donpachi, maybe some day i will play it more..