paradigm wrote:Hair - you're a tool. Don't ever have children. As a matter of fact, next time you see your mother give her a slap from me for not having an abortion.
My Mom's dead.
I only have fun with a shmup if it is challenging, and Futari *Original* is not challenging enough to be fun for me. Why would I waste my time trying to 1cc it when only a couple parts of level 3, and the entire level 5 plus boss are fun? It's not a good ratio. It is often called one of the easier Cave games (in original mode only), so I'm not sure why my opinion is so strange to you. Cave's easiest stuff is still challenging, but not much fun (Futari Original, Deathsmiles lvl 1) I prefer Cave's harder games and modes (Futari Maniac, Deathsmiles lvl 3). I am not claiming to be good at them. I play shmups to be challenged. Do you have a problem with that? Or do you have a problem with Futari Original being too easy for me to have fun with? I haven't mastered Original mode, but sorry man, when I fired Futari up for the
first time and no missed the first 2 stages with no bombs, and then no missed stage 3 using 2 bombs, I'm yawning. Level 4 more yawning. Only lvl 5 was fun. So I moved on to Maniac.
That quote you requoted was taken out of context. Right after saying original was too easy and boring I said that I enjoy maniac and find it challenging.
You said "if you can't 1cc a shmup, you can't call it easy". As in, if one lacks the ability to 1cc a game, they can't call it easy. That's wrong on many levels.
First of all, no one has ever said otherwise so your post was pointless. I never said Dangun Feveron was easy, I specifically said it wasn't. I said there are aspect of its gameplay that as easier than other Cave games for me. It's easy to pick up and play. It's not easy. I just put it below the "hardest" group of Cave games.
Second of all, while a 1cc is a important step for scoring, does it really mean you can call a game easy when you 1cc it? Why not say "if you can't no miss a game without using any bombs, you can't call it easy"? Hell, for real scoring a 1cc is the minimum. I think to call a game easy you have to be able to no miss it several times a day, for weeks, never dying once. But that doesn't matter in this thread because...
Thirdly, the games being classified as "easy" in this thread are only being compared to other hard games. If a Cave fan enjoys the games but currently lacks the ability to 1cc any of them, they can still classify one as being in the "easy" group, while others are harder. It is not like one needs to be good enough at shmups to 1cc any game to be able to tell the difference between DDP and DDP DOJ.
As for Futari Original, yeah I said it was easy, and yeah I could 1cc with very little practice. But instead of that boring chore I play maniac.
Skykid wrote:Sure, but that's a matter of choice. I took it in the context that if you've played the game to such a degree that you're aiming for a clear, but haven't managed to achieve it, you can't realistically call it easy. I'd go with that.
I think we can all go with that... problem is this is a thread about ranking Cave games based on difficulty. No one has said a game that they cannot clear is easy, so paradigms original post, which you said was a good one, made no sense whatsoever.
Obviously if you try and fail at something, it isn't easy for you. How does that have anything to do with what anyone has said in this thread?
He quoted me saying Futari Original was easy from another thread, and I could absolutely 1cc that no problem. I just don't understand what is point is supposed to be.
I'm pretty sure something I said was just totally misunderstood. I haven't tried to 1cc Dangun Feveron. I think it would be pretty hard for me to get through the game without making any mistakes. But I never said it was easy. I was simply using it as an example of a hard game with aspects that are easier than other hard shmups. My point being that games can be hard in many different ways, so it can be hard to compare sometimes when there isn't a huge gap between the challenge of the two games (like Deathsmiles lvl 1 and DOJ)
