XRGB-mini Framemeister

wEEman33 · Post by **wEEman33** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:19 am

Sorry if this was answered already in this thread, but I couldn't find a "search thread" button on this forum.

Is there a link somewhere that shows the best settings to use for each system? I find the amount of options pretty overwhelming, and I have no idea what settings I should be using to capture footage.

The systems I'll be using are:

RGB output -- SNES, Genesis, N64
Component output -- PS2, GameCube, Xbox

gutsmanheavy · Post by **gutsmanheavy** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:26 am

Hi guys, I hate to be the "sign up and fix my problem" guy, but I can't find a solution to my problem with the mini and this site comes highly recommended!

I've just got my mini and have been having a play with it and have come across some issues with 60hz modes (I'm australian using PAL hardware)

-Modded PAL-AUS SNES (S-Vid) when switched 60hz has no colour and waves through the image
-Modded PAL-AUS Megadrive II (Composite) has the above problem in addition to the image being incredably over saturated when in 50hz
-Stock PAL-AUS Gamecube (Composite) when running in 60hz also has no colour

I assumed all 60hz was buggered, but the PS2 has no issues displaying full colour in 60hz mode. Crazy!

gutsmanheavy · Post by **gutsmanheavy** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:30 am

wEEman33 wrote:Sorry if this was answered already in this thread, but I couldn't find a "search thread" button on this forum.

Is there a link somewhere that shows the best settings to use for each system? I find the amount of options pretty overwhelming, and I have no idea what settings I should be using to capture footage.

The systems I'll be using are:

RGB output -- SNES, Genesis, N64
Component output -- PS2, GameCube, Xbox

Try this page: http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/XRGB ... e_consoles

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:58 am

@gutsmanheavy: the Mini does not support PAL60 through composite or s-video. I assume your PS2 is connected through component or RGB. That's why it works in 60Hz as well.

gutsmanheavy · Post by **gutsmanheavy** » Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:40 am

Fudoh wrote:@gutsmanheavy: the Mini does not support PAL60 through composite or s-video. I assume your PS2 is connected through component or RGB. That's why it works in 60Hz as well.

Ah! Now I really can't wait for the scart cables to arrive!

Thanks mate.

Ripthorn · Post by **Ripthorn** » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:37 pm

Hey guys, I need a little help here.

I'm having trouble in connecting my X'EYE with this adapter in my XRGB mini.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micomsoft-XRGB- ... 1490777841?
I decided to take this model instead of passive adapter because it seemed more future proof, because I intend to connect other consoles on XRGB Mini plus I've seen a lot of people complaining about sync issues.

My scart cable is the model with boosted raw sync bought with same seller.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-seller-Genes ... 1220275253?

The X'EYE is acting strange, game CDs do not play, music CDs plays but with reading difficulties.

I hooked it in my old CRT TV and is working without any issues.

I think the problem is with the sync stripper.

Is there any way to fix this?

PS: Sorry for my crap english

zakruowrath · Post by **zakruowrath** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:07 am

Wanted to know if anyone else had weird pinkish red lines when running a PS3 through the Mini when deep colour is enabled.

I unplugged it and went directly into my TV, lines disappeared, so I'm guessing the mini doesn't like it, haven't tried the 360 yet being it has deep colour enabled as well, but if I get the same results I'll be sure to turn it off too.

TheRetromancer · Post by **TheRetromancer** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:57 am

zakruowrath wrote:Wanted to know if anyone else had weird pinkish red lines when running a PS3 through the Mini when deep colour is enabled.

I unplugged it and went directly into my TV, lines disappeared, so I'm guessing the mini doesn't like it, haven't tried the 360 yet being it has deep colour enabled as well, but if I get the same results I'll be sure to turn it off too.

...why on G-d's green earth are you running an HDMI capable console through the Mini?!

austin532 · Post by **austin532** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:45 am

TheRetromancer wrote:
zakruowrath wrote:Wanted to know if anyone else had weird pinkish red lines when running a PS3 through the Mini when deep colour is enabled.

I unplugged it and went directly into my TV, lines disappeared, so I'm guessing the mini doesn't like it, haven't tried the 360 yet being it has deep colour enabled as well, but if I get the same results I'll be sure to turn it off too.

zakruowrath wrote:...why on G-d's green earth are you running an HDMI capable console through the Mini?!

Which Deep Color option are you talking about? The one on the Mini or PS3? The Deep Color option on the PS3 gave me nothing but problems. Pretty sure only certain displays support Deep Color anyway so there is no reason to enable it. Maybe it's just me but it looks like the Sharpness is set too high which can cause those lines to appear.

I to would like to know why you have the PS3 hooked up to the Mini. Lack of HDMI ports?

zakruowrath · Post by **zakruowrath** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 9:24 am

austin532 wrote:
TheRetromancer wrote:
zakruowrath wrote:Wanted to know if anyone else had weird pinkish red lines when running a PS3 through the Mini when deep colour is enabled.

I unplugged it and went directly into my TV, lines disappeared, so I'm guessing the mini doesn't like it, haven't tried the 360 yet being it has deep colour enabled as well, but if I get the same results I'll be sure to turn it off too.

zakruowrath wrote:...why on G-d's green earth are you running an HDMI capable console through the Mini?!
Which Deep Color option are you talking about? The one on the Mini or PS3? The Deep Color option on the PS3 gave me nothing but problems. Pretty sure only certain displays support Deep Color anyway so there is no reason to enable it. Maybe it's just me but it looks like the Sharpness is set too high which can cause those lines to appear.

I to would like to know why you have the PS3 hooked up to the Mini. Lack of HDMI ports?

Its the setting on the PS3. I do notice a very slight change in colours on my HDTV when deep colour is on, so I guess my display supports it, but I can live without it. I didn't even know you could adjust the sharpness on the HDMI ports on the mini being I'm not upscaling anything, they're just pass thrus.

And yea, the reason is lack of HDMI ports. I did test the 360, no problems there. Just nice to know it's not only my PS3 and Mini combo.

TheRetromancer · Post by **TheRetromancer** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:44 pm

zakruowrath wrote:Its the setting on the PS3. I do notice a very slight change in colours on my HDTV when deep colour is on, so I guess my display supports it, but I can live without it. I didn't even know you could adjust the sharpness on the HDMI ports on the mini being I'm not upscaling anything, they're just pass thrus.

And yea, the reason is lack of HDMI ports. I did test the 360, no problems there. Just nice to know it's not only my PS3 and Mini combo.

If I were you, mate, I'd get an HDMI hub - they're not expensive at all. Running your PS3 through any device that will alter the signal is doing it a disservice.

TheShadowRunner · Post by **TheShadowRunner** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 9:16 pm

Because the cost of raw material has increased, Micomsoft revised their prices, +2000yen for the Mini!
http://www.micomsoft.co.jp/micomsoft_news.htm

soupbones · Post by **soupbones** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:01 am

Hey all - just got one and have been messing around with the settings...until I set it to deep color mode.

Now I can't get a picture at all - including the menu to shut deep color off.

Any ideas what to do here?

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:03 am

IIRC: If you switch to DVI mode using the remote, deep color should get disabled right away.

soupbones · Post by **soupbones** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:14 am

soupbones wrote:Hey all - just got one and have been messing around with the settings...until I set it to deep color mode.

Now I can't get a picture at all - including the menu to shut deep color off.

Any ideas what to do here?

Still nothing - I switch to dvi and still no menu, then back to hdmi and same results.

Anyway to reset the settings without going through the menu screen?

blizzz · Post by **blizzz** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:17 am

Wouldn't this be the ideal use case for the safety button (セーフティー)? Press it for a couple seconds and the Framemeister goes back to factory settings.

soupbones · Post by **soupbones** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:21 am

blizzz wrote:Wouldn't this be the ideal use case for the safety button (セーフティー)? Press it for a couple seconds and the Framemeister goes back to factory settings.

Thanks! Gotta get that remote overlay I guess

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:02 am

The X'EYE is acting strange, game CDs do not play, music CDs plays but with reading difficulties.

Wait... are you seriously suggesting hooking your console to the mini stops it reading discs correctly

TheRetromancer · Post by **TheRetromancer** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:00 pm

I think it's more likely that the X'eye has an internal short on the connector's RGB lines that causes issues with playback.

braiboo · Post by **braiboo** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:05 pm

hello
i have had a xrgb mini for about a week now and am struggling.I bought it to get all my old consoles in the attic running well on my pc monitor.upgraded firmware to 1.11 and ran through hdmi
started with a psone and ps2 slim both uk pal units through the white red yellow video inputs on the front of unit,looked blocky and blurry with unclear fmv tried everything i could to make it look better untill i hooked it directly into my samsung tv and it looked just as bad...i guess rose tinted glasses made me expect too much

so then i tried a megadrive 2 through euro scart to euroscart adapter i managed to get a picture once(not sure how) that looked ok,but the framemeister is constantly cycling off and on to black screen every 2 seconds or so even when the megadrive is unplugged or switched off this even effects the xrgb menu and i have to wait till it comes back on to change a setting.
im not very computer literate and all the settings and terminology baffle me
at the moment im feeling a bit disillusioned with the whole thing and tempted to ebay the whole lot,for the amount of money i have layed out i could have built a emulator pc and a new ps4 or something.
any advice would be appreciated greatly .thanks

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:44 pm

1) Forget composite, go RGB for everything you can, component for everything else.
2) Your Megadrive probably just has a bad cable
3) Read the Wiki and take your time, we all had to start somewhere.

Smashbro29 · Post by **Smashbro29** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:00 pm

So I guess it doesn't like Sonic 2's multiplayer.

Spoiler

blizzz · Post by **blizzz** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:14 pm

Yes, this has been reported before. For some reason the Framemeister can't display the multiplayer.

Smashbro29 · Post by **Smashbro29** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:49 pm

blizzz wrote:Yes, this has been reported before. For some reason the Framemeister can't display the multiplayer.

Any other game where is straight up gives up like that? Does adding Knuckles improve anything?

zakruowrath · Post by **zakruowrath** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:22 pm

blizzz wrote:Yes, this has been reported before. For some reason the Framemeister can't display the multiplayer.

Which is weird considering if you play the Sonic Jam version of Sonic The Hedgehog 2 on the Sega Saturn, it has no problem with the multiplayer in 480i and single player in 240p.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:24 pm

Any other game where is straight up gives up like that?

The Wreck-it-Ralph MD rom uses the same video video and hence doesn't work. 480i from other systems (Saturn for example) is no problem at all, it's something weird about the MD's video timing while using this mode...

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:51 pm

480i from every other system I've tried has worked just fine on the Mini.

Interestingly though, I was hooking up my new system today and found that the Extron 190 RGB interface I have will not allow interlace to be displayed. The picture would appear but shake (like the venerable XRGB3 B1 field doubling but way worse) and lose sync now and then. At one point, the mini even recognised the signal as 240p! Tried with DDSP on and off, same problem. Xbox wouldn't work either, but for some reason PS2 worked fine. Swapped it out for a 580xi and all is well again.

Dobiqwolf · Post by **Dobiqwolf** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:24 am

braiboo wrote:hello
i have had a xrgb mini for about a week now and am struggling.I bought it to get all my old consoles in the attic running well on my pc monitor.upgraded firmware to 1.11 and ran through hdmi
started with a psone and ps2 slim both uk pal units through the white red yellow video inputs on the front of unit,looked blocky and blurry with unclear fmv tried everything i could to make it look better untill i hooked it directly into my samsung tv and it looked just as bad...i guess rose tinted glasses made me expect too much
so then i tried a megadrive 2 through euro scart to euroscart adapter i managed to get a picture once(not sure how) that looked ok,but the framemeister is constantly cycling off and on to black screen every 2 seconds or so even when the megadrive is unplugged or switched off this even effects the xrgb menu and i have to wait till it comes back on to change a setting.
im not very computer literate and all the settings and terminology baffle me
at the moment im feeling a bit disillusioned with the whole thing and tempted to ebay the whole lot,for the amount of money i have layed out i could have built a emulator pc and a new ps4 or something.
any advice would be appreciated greatly .thanks

The red, white and yellow cable is the worst thing you could use, it is called a composite cable, avoid it, get rid of it.
Because you said you were not technical I will try to explain in simple terms what you can use (if I make a mistake more experienced users are welcome to correct me).
First for PS1 and PS2 you need to use a RGB scart cable EU(pal), now before you jump online to buy one (you can use the cable on both consoles) you have to make sure it is a RGB cable, many cheap cables online are composite on scart and will not work with the mini RGB input.
Sadly I can't help you much with the megadrive, it could be a faulty cable or a faulty console or the sync setting on the mini.
Do not hesitate to ask questions here, the mini even with all its faults is a great device.
If you do not feel comfortable asking here feel free to pm me and I will do my best to direct you on right path.

keropi · Post by **keropi** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:52 am

^ 99% the megadrive needs the SYNC LEVEL to be adjusted , it needs to be increased - the setting is on the VISUAL SET menu

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:58 am

Dobiqwolf wrote:Because you said you were not technical I will try to explain in simple terms what you can use (if I make a mistake more experienced users are welcome to correct me).
First for PS1 and PS2 you need to use a RGB scart cable EU(pal)

Indeed I think you've missed something vital. The pinout matters: Using Euro SCART pinout for RGB on the Framemeister is bad! Do not do this! Instead buy a cable wired for the JP-21 pinout, or buy a "SCART to mini adapter" for use with the Euro SCART pinout cable. This info comes from here.

Note that the RGB-21 and SCART cables look identical; they just are wired differently.

shmups.system11.org

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