Why hasn't anybody made a new Twinkle Star Sprites

[Special World]

I know some of you guys have programming / art / whatever skills. So my question is this: Why have none of you ripped off the design of Twinkle Star Sprites wholesale and made a fanservice pseudosequel? If I ever say I hate any of you, it's because you have not done this.

[drunkninja24]

Cause I lack any artistic or programmatic talent to do so

[KAI]

Cause nobody played La Petite Princesse.

[Kino]

The Phantasmagorias say hi.

[River]

never understood the love for this game.

[Patashu]

I know some of you guys have programming / art / whatever skills. So my question is this: Why have none of you ripped off the design of Twinkle Star Sprites wholesale and made a fanservice pseudosequel? If I ever say I hate any of you, it's because you have not done this.

Isn't that one touhou game literally this except touhou

[Special World]

I have played that one Touhou game

it was like Twinkle Star Sprites except bad and not good

I can get anyone I play with to immediately fall in love with TSS, if I had shown them Phantasmagoria I would have gotten an immediate "nope"

also I would love to play La Petite Princesse if I had any means of doing so

[Kino]

I have played that one Touhou game

it was like Twinkle Star Sprites except bad and not good

There's your problem. You played the Windows Phantasmagoria game.

Now go play the PC-98 Phantasmagoria. On lunatic.

You're welcome.

[Special World]

I don't have a PC-98...

[Squire Grooktook]

I have played that one Touhou game

it was like Twinkle Star Sprites except bad and not good

There's your problem. You played the Windows Phantasmagoria game.

Now go play the PC-98 Phantasmagoria. On lunatic.

You're welcome.

They're both excellent IMO.

I don't have a PC-98...

An emulator for one is fairly easy to set up.

[Lord Satori]

I don't have a PC-98...

Neither does anyone. Just get the Next emulator and find a torrent/download of the PC-98 Touhou games.

[Pretas]

Coincidentally, I just introduced TSS to a friend yesterday, with favorable results.

Is La Petite Princesse a true sequel, or more of a 3D remaster with some changes?

[KAI]

It's a sequel, Ran is older and there're new characters.

[Kino]

*kazoo solo*

[Cagar]

Because the original concept isn't fun and lacks organicity.

[PurpleTheGuy]

Now go play the PC-98 Phantasmagoria. On lunatic.

They say playing as Chiyuri in PoDD lunatic in-particular makes the game go to another level (From what I've seen, it's quite a lot of fun, yeah). I sure can't wait to play PoDD, when I get some other things done.

On another note: That, and yeah, I should go play Twinkle Star Sprites, I've been wanting to play that, especially since playing PoFV. I'm planning on getting the La Petite Princesse one for the PS2 (I don't have a Sega Saturn, at the moment, so I guess I'll start with this one), and I guess I could brief everyone in on how that goes, when I do get the game, and play it.

[Lord Satori]

fuck-ugly 3D backgrounds and boring Mariachi music

You just made an enemy out of every Touhou fan in existence.

First of all, bitching about a game because of it's graphics is stupid and shallow. Second of all, that is the single most idiotic description of a kind of music (or anything for that matter) I've ever seen in my life.

[trap15]

Complaining about graphics and music is very valid. A game is a harmony of video, audio, design and player feedback. Lacking in any department will hold something back.

[Squire Grooktook]

fuck-ugly 3D backgrounds and boring Mariachi music

You just made an enemy out of every Touhou fan in existence.

Eh, I like the games but I'd be lying if I thought the backgrounds looked attractive, and the music is very over-rated IMO (I like some of it, but a lot of it is just boring to me).

Complaining about graphics and music is very valid. A game is a harmony of video, audio, design and player feedback. Lacking in any department will hold something back.

Not necessarily. It really depends on the person, and some people simply don't care at all. Many, many, many of the doujin games I've played do not appeal to me at all visually. Sure if they had the best character designs and art ever, it would be nice, but it would be more of a bonus than anything. Like wise, good music is a plus, but I could always just pop in my own custom soundtrack if I don't like the ost.

For me at least, when I play a shmup, the gameplay design is the deciding factor. Everything else is just a bonus that appeals to a different side of the brain, a side of the brain which is not what I am immediately here for and can get my kicks off for from somewhere else if needed.

[Pretas]

Almost every Touhou song sounds like it was auto-composed by a program that randomly strings together various musical motifs with no rhyme or reason.

For better or worse, I never use custom soundtracks with games, because I prefer to experience each game as a self-contained entity that completely represents the effort and intent the creators put into it.

Not nessicarily. (sp)

Don't you mean "not NESiCArily?"

[Lord Satori]

Complaining about graphics and music is very valid. A game is a harmony of video, audio, design and player feedback. Lacking in any department will hold something back.

That sure explains why nobody likes those old school 3d games- oh wait...

Seriously though, I never said complaining about music wasn't valid, I just feel that he hasn't played any Touhou beyond 6, which has the most dated graphics of all of them. The whole mariachi thing has me completely dumbfounded and I have no idea what he's talking about, really. Maybe he's complaining about Zunpets, idk. If the music were as poor as he thinks it is, there probably wouldn't be as many Touhou music remix albums out there, would there? As for the graphics, they get better and better with each game. Also keep in mind that this is one guy doing this, and the only 3d portions are in the background of the game. I'm not saying it isn't important, I'm just saying that most of the time, it's enough to convey where you are.

If ANYTHING was holding these games back at all, it would be ZUN himself for not paying attention to the western market for so long and not having Mima return, not the background or the music.

[trap15]

Almost every Touhou song sounds like it was auto-composed by a program that randomly strings together various musical motifs with no rhyme or reason.

I'm curious if we're even listening to the same thing. The music is absolutely the strongest point of almost all Touhou games. There were a few games where the music was pretty assy (looking at the early Windows games in particular here), but for the most part they're fantastic soundtracks.

[Squire Grooktook]

Almost every Touhou song sounds like it was auto-composed by a program that randomly strings together various musical motifs with no rhyme or reason.

There are definitely some tracks that appeal to me, and I like pretty much the entirety of EOSD and PCB's osts (after that the osts gradually started to become less even and memorable overall for me), but I don't think the music is anywhere near the entire library of magnum opus's that the fanbase makes it out to be.

For better or worse, I never use custom soundtracks with games, because I prefer to experience each game as a self-contained entity that completely represents the effort and intent the creators put into it.

Like I said, it varies from person to person. For me, things like gameplay, visual art, audio, story, etc. are all appealing to completely different sides of the brain, so when I go into an experience with the intention of experiencing one thing (maybe a good, competitive scoring system, or exhilarating patterns, or something like that) I find myself judging it almost entirely based on that.

Like, if I was to evaluate shmups on a 1 to 10 scale, music audio or story would never add to or subtract from that score even a single point. There are other types of games where that harmony of elements might actually make a difference for me, but shmups definitely aren't one.

Not nessicarily. (sp)

Don't you mean "not NESiCArily?"

Sorry, I fixed.

[Lord Satori]

music audio or story would never add to or subtract from that score even a single point.

You and I are two very very different people.

[Jeneki]

Why hasn't anybody made a new Twinkle Star Sprites

Are you trying to end the world? Such a game would create an Event Horizon Of Awesome large enough to gravitationally collapse the planet.

Yes I'm being silly.

[Formless God]

Complaining about graphics and music is very valid. A game is a harmony of video, audio, design and player feedback. Lacking in any department will hold something back.

It's perfectly fine to complain about graphics and music, but never ever disregard an entire game because of them. A game consists of a lot of things, but some things are considerably more critical than the others. What sets video games apart from other media? Game rules. Challenge. Feedback. Interactivity. Without these, a game instantly falls apart.
If somebody looked at Battle Garegga and went "who plays this 2D, outdated, bleepy boopy shit?" you'd want to tell them to fuck off. It's the same kind of logic secondaries like Mr. Kino likes to spout.

[Squire Grooktook]

Complaining about graphics and music is very valid. A game is a harmony of video, audio, design and player feedback. Lacking in any department will hold something back.

It's perfectly fine to complain about graphics and music, but never ever disregard an entire game because of them. A game consists of a lot of things, but some things are considerably more critical than the others. What sets video games apart from other media? Game rules. Challenge. Feedback. Interactivity. Without these, a game instantly falls apart.
If somebody looked at Battle Garegga and went "who plays this 2D, outdated, bleepy boopy shit?" you'd want to tell them to fuck off. It's the same kind of logic secondaries like Mr. Kino likes to spout.

It kind of depends on the genre too. A survival horror game with shitty graphics and art would be a serious detriment. A visual novel or a story focused game with a shitty story would be a detriment. etc. etc.

[gray117]

There's a thread about someone not having time to play a game... and you're asking someone (or some people) to make one

Doesn't matter how talented you are this would take a lot of time. Most likely you'd also be looking at some kind of group that would have to coordinate and agree to make a decent homage/spiritual successor - maybe no more than 2 or 3 people, but that's already x3 the amount of difficultly not only getting something off the ground, but also finishing it.

Making a bit of art, or a bit of music is a pretty big investment. Making a complete game is a huge undertaking, let alone to the scope/execution that would be required for this kind of game... After all what's the point? ... it's always easy to think 'I want more', answering what that 'more' should be is a difficult thing...

... if there's not a reason to motivate you to make/play it, why make it all, especially if the original still offers what anyone [from a limited crowd] would want from it?

[Formless God]

It kind of depends on the genre too. A survival horror game with shitty graphics and art would be a serious detriment. A visual novel or a story focused game with a shitty story would be a detriment. etc. etc.

Well, most survival horror games do have shitty graphics, and the ones that look pretty somehow didn't end up being that enjoyable. It's all in the gameplay.
A visual novel needs a digestible story because it is just a novel, not a game. Attaching little notes saying "if you choose option A go to page X, otherwise go to page Y" in a novel doesn't suddenly turn it into a game.

[CStarFlare]

The reason there's no new sequel is that it's unnecessary. TSS needs no fixes or additions and can still be as engaging competitively as it ever was.