Dreamcast Stick MOD guide?

Diabollokus · Post by **Diabollokus** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:55 am

Got sick of waiting so just bought a DC stick, got the parts, anyone know of a link to a good stick (DC preferably!) mod site or pics>

I know Tychom has one but after more.

Tychom · Post by **Tychom** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:58 pm

The Shoryuken tech forum is always a good place to find information. While there's no single answer there you will find plenty of info in the larger stick threads if you take the time to read through em, lots of pics too.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:50 pm

This one helped me:
http://www.geocities.co.jp/AnimeComic-N ... dc/dc.html

It's got the color info you need for the Sanwa harness to match the color on the DC's PCB harness. It's in Japanese, but you can probably run it through a translator. THe pics will help too!

Daigoro · Post by **Daigoro** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:40 am

between the guide that Gaijin posted and Tychoms guide i modded my stick without any problems.

they should be enough. it's easier than it seems.

theevilfunkster · Post by **theevilfunkster** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:03 pm

Where's a good place to get the parts from and what should I be paying?

thchardcore · Post by **thchardcore** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:21 pm

Himura games. really the only place.

I wrote a guide on SRK, too tired to link you right now.

Diabollokus · Post by **Diabollokus** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:53 pm

Well I think I've got it going now be building her in a week or 2, got parts + screw sizes for mounting 3 x 12 mm

cheers tychoms webpage.

Just wiring to worry about now and lining up stick drill holes.

Anyone got a good shmup related high res stick pic?

KBZ · Post by **KBZ** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:26 am

the sanwa mod is actualy quite easy. I was able to finish it in an afternoon. Great results too!

tiktak · Post by **tiktak** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:28 pm

I thought about making new topic but I'll wrote in this one.

Few days ago I decided to make my new DC stick moded to play on PS1, an ultimate one

But now I consulted with an specialist who claims that sanwa and seimitsu aren't too good for 2d games because of long time of reaction. He compared for me sanwa and seimitsu sticks witch t-stick and it seems he is right. The second one has almost 1/2 shorter time of reaction.
I am afraid of spending some huge amounts of money for stuff I'd not be pleased.
And now I would like to hear your opinions for this:
how is dc stick in comparison to sanwa one (nvm the buttons)?
Please, make sure that money you spend won't affect your opinions;]

I must admit that mentioned dc stick seems quite comfortable for me now.

Ex_Mosquito · Post by **Ex_Mosquito** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:18 pm

I consulted with an specialist who claims that sanwa and seimitsu aren't too good for 2d games because of long time of reaction.

Eh?? what else would digital controls be used for if not 2D stuff. Ignore your so-called specialist.

tiktak · Post by **tiktak** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:59 pm

By that he meant shmups which I told him about. He knew that the precise is needed and he really is a spec, maybe just not into shmups Actually his work is connected with moding and installing sticks but if most of shmupers tells that sanwa is great I dont have other choice than to agree;]

elvis · Post by **elvis** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:16 pm

The only delay you'll get in using custom built sticks is if yoo use some sort of conversion circuitry (eg: PS2->USB converter, PS2->XBox converter, etc). There are some good ones around, but some add a noticable delay.

Wiring up your own sticks to a native pad will not add delay. We're talking microswitches here. Digital on and off. There's no "circuitry" or sorts between the microswitch and the pad's input, so no delay is added.

Plus, Sanwa and Seimitsu have great names out there in the industry, and are used in a great deal of high quality Japanese cabs. Hardware doesn't get that sort of reputation by being laggy.

I too vote to ignore the "expert". Having built and sold sticks and cabs of all different shapes, sizes and brands, I strongly disagree.

tiktak · Post by **tiktak** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:43 pm

But by delay he didnt mean lag but microseconds of full move of the stick, max and min angle and so on.

elvis · Post by **elvis** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:19 pm

tiktak wrote:But by delay he didnt mean lag but microseconds of full move of the stick, max and min angle and so on.

You're kidding? That just comes down to pad vs stick preferance, and nothing more. Use a stick for a while and you'll get used to it very quickly.

Plus, Sanwa sticks have a more than reasonable throw. And if they bug you, either get a bigger actuator and mod the stick, or buy a short-throw stick like a Euro-style Suzo or something similar.

In all my years of using arcade hardware, I have NEVER heard anyone complain that the travel distance of a stick was to blame for the "microseconds" added to their reaction time. That's a new one!

tiktak · Post by **tiktak** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:21 pm

Good to hear that, I never even touched sanwa and thats why I wanted this opinion. Thank you.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:00 am

Your friend is a moron. Arcade controls in Japan (where shooters are made) are only Sanwa or Seimitsu. :/

SAM · Post by **SAM** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:19 am

theevilfunkster wrote:Where's a good place to get the parts from and what should I be paying?

I have got some left over from my last project.
Sanwa JLF (Red Ball Top)
Sanwa Octagonal restrictor plate (GT-Y)
Acetac DC Joystick part (Free)
Hori 24mm Buttons (Free)
Sanwa OBS-24A (Yellow)
Sanwa OBSF-30RG (Blue)

PM me if you are interested.

Diabollokus · Post by **Diabollokus** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:47 pm

started mod, got the stick screwed in place looks good. question though before I fukk it up.

I'm going to start soldering the stick wires, I have a 5 pin harness connected into my JLF 8TPY, was just going to cut the 5 wires connected to the original DC stick, match up the wire colours and solder them, the only 1s different in colour are the RED and GREEN wires, the guide gaijin posted in japanese gives pretty much that image 3 quarters of the way down the page was going to follow it.

But, tychoms guide says the pin layout is different??? Do I need to change the order of wire colour soldering?

Any advice would be really appreciated

ReKleSS · Post by **ReKleSS** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:40 pm

It depends on which way the PCB on the stick is facing. Figure out which way you want it and just follow the wires and traces yourself - it doesn't take long, and it lets you orient the PCB whichever way you want. If you really want I can find out how I did it, but it's not that hard to just check it yourself.
-ReK

elvis · Post by **elvis** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:13 am

Multimeters: essential items. Helps you do all sorts of wonderful things, like finding out which siwtch matches which trace.

oxtsu · Post by **oxtsu** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:12 am

Diabollokus wrote:But, tychoms guide says the pin layout is different??? Do I need to change the order of wire colour soldering?

Any advice would be really appreciated

One could follow the traces visually or with a multimeter as others have suggested. I happen to have a pinout in front of me at the moment so I'll save you the trouble :)

Sanwa JLF-TP-8Y [Pins up, looking at the bottom of the stick, read left to right]

1-Ground/Earth, 2-Down, 3-Up, 4-Right, 5-Left

Sega/Agetec stick [encoder PCB side, read top to bottom]

1-Left
2-Down
3-Right
4-Up
5-Ground/Earth

btw, I'm glad that you finally got your Agetec sorted, Diabollokus.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:51 pm

While oxtsu's post is probably spot on, it's still work for retards like me. THis link might help:
http://www.geocities.co.jp/AnimeComic-N ... dc/dc.html

The love is on the chart. If you pu the sanwa stick in the way that he says (w/ the harness jack facing OUT -- away from the innards of the control like this) then the leads are as follows

Code: Select all

Sanwa Harness | DC Harness | Direction
Orange        | Brown      | Up
Red           | Orange     | Down
Yellow        | Yellow     | Left
Green         | Red        | Right
Black         | Black      |Ground

Good luck!

Diabollokus · Post by **Diabollokus** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:16 pm

Thanks guys, Think thats all I needed. Got it. orientate stick right way then match the colours

BTW: Oxtsu, no I never got my agetec sorted, had to buy another one off ebay as Dantesinferno screwed me, out of item and money. so this stick is working around at a total cost of £70 about $125 to mod a flippin DC stick. first mod I want it to work.

Buttons I think is easy enough I'll leave them until I get the stick done, I have those crimp things which oxtsu sent + plastic covers, Got a drimel to widden the metal holes a little. If I'm not mistaken no soldering is required when crimping? just cut the plastic and expose the wires, attach 2 black wires together in one terminal and in the other the single coloured wire,

metal thing attaches to button terminals, (2 metal things per button), wires to ends of metal thing, conect them, then encase in plastic

I'll get it back to it later this evening, have it tested them try buttons tomorrow. Thanks again

oxtsu · Post by **oxtsu** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:02 pm

Diabollokus wrote:BTW: Oxtsu, no I never got my agetec sorted, had to buy another one off ebay as Dantesinferno screwed me, out of item and money. so this stick is working around at a total cost of £70 about $125 to mod a flippin DC stick. first mod I want it to work.

Well, that's sorry. It will be worth it in the end at least.