SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get one?
SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get one?
I'm looking to get into live-game streaming. Most of my consoles are RGB ready, and I have an XRGB-mini for the highest quality output. But I'd like to play on my PVM at the same time as capturing the audio and video with my PC.
So I figured I can have the RGB outputted from my consoles and distributed to a PVM and the Mini at the same time. The mini would be plugged into the Capture device via HDMI. (I haven't decided on which capture device to get yet -- most likely an AVerMedia live gamer)
I have the SCART cables for my consoles and XRGB-mini already, but I can't seem to find a SCART distributor so I can get it connected to the monitor.
My questions are:
- Does anyone know where I can get a 2-way SCART distributor of decent quality? This is different from a switcher since I want to have 1 device output 2 feeds simultaneously.
- Does the SCART distributor need to be powered/amped? If not, could I just make (or get someone to make) a SCART cable that splits off the signals?
I appreciate the help from you pros.
So I figured I can have the RGB outputted from my consoles and distributed to a PVM and the Mini at the same time. The mini would be plugged into the Capture device via HDMI. (I haven't decided on which capture device to get yet -- most likely an AVerMedia live gamer)
I have the SCART cables for my consoles and XRGB-mini already, but I can't seem to find a SCART distributor so I can get it connected to the monitor.
My questions are:
- Does anyone know where I can get a 2-way SCART distributor of decent quality? This is different from a switcher since I want to have 1 device output 2 feeds simultaneously.
- Does the SCART distributor need to be powered/amped? If not, could I just make (or get someone to make) a SCART cable that splits off the signals?
I appreciate the help from you pros.
Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
I barely remember it at this point, but I think Arasoi suggested that I get an Audio Authority AccessEz Model 985U. I haven't tried using it, however.
Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
I use a simple SCART splitter (not that exact model, just something similar and non-powered) and just plug it in "backwards" - that is, I used an adapter to change the male plug into a female one, plug my console into that, and lo and behold, from the two female plugs meant for input I output the signal to both my normal TV and TATE-TV at the same time.
I can't say if every model works both ways like that, but some certainly do.
I can't say if every model works both ways like that, but some certainly do.
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Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
Of course! Brilliant.Ghegs wrote:I use a simple SCART splitter (not that exact model, just something similar and non-powered) and just plug it in "backwards" - that is, I used an adapter to change the male plug into a female one, plug my console into that, and lo and behold, from the two female plugs meant for input I output the signal to both my normal TV and TATE-TV at the same time.
I can't say if every model works both ways like that, but some certainly do.
Thanks Ghegs.
Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
I'd also like to know of an exact model of SCART amplifier I can buy that is 1 input and 2 outputs. Can you really get away with non powered here?
Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
I'm going to assume it's any non-switchable SCART splitter, since I believe they are wired in parallel. Most splitter descriptions I've read state that when connected normally, one device should be set to stand-by/off.Thrill wrote:I'd also like to know of an exact model of SCART amplifier I can buy that is 1 input and 2 outputs. Can you really get away with non powered here?
As for non-powered, I think it should be OK for 2 outputs. There shouldn't be too much draw to cause troubles, but I'd be more worried of interference. I'll test my theory once I get my hands on one.
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Does anyone own a Hama SM-420 and a capture card? You can get it for 5€ on eBay quite often. I know a guy on another forum who bought one, but he stopped responding after he got it. I would also be interested in recordings from an unpowered splitter.
A general note about recording gameplay with commentary when you're playing on a CRT: remember to filter out the 15kHz noise. I just watched Trihex's stream yesterday and it was really annoying.
A general note about recording gameplay with commentary when you're playing on a CRT: remember to filter out the 15kHz noise. I just watched Trihex's stream yesterday and it was really annoying.
Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
How does one go about that?blizzz wrote: A general note about recording gameplay with commentary when you're playing on a CRT: remember to filter out the 15kHz noise. I just watched Trihex's stream yesterday and it was really annoying.
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Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
My Shinybow scart switch is a matrix switcher, so you can output a single source to two monitors at the same time.
Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
Nice! that's a more elegant solution.broken harbour wrote:My Shinybow scart switch is a matrix switcher, so you can output a single source to two monitors at the same time.
I'm assuming this is what you're talking about?
http://www.shinybow.com.tw/pro/detail.p ... f=58&pa=58
Edit: Holy crap. I just read what these go for...$150+!
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I have the 6 input version but yea.... this seems to be the best solution for you.
Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
Knowing how finicky SCART can be I am frankly astounded that setup works for youI use a simple SCART splitter (not that exact model, just something similar and non-powered) and just plug it in "backwards" - that is, I used an adapter to change the male plug into a female one, plug my console into that, and lo and behold, from the two female plugs meant for input I output the signal to both my normal TV and TATE-TV at the same time.
I use one of Keene's 1:5 splitters and it works well, though of course overkill for what you need. http://www.keene.co.uk/electronic/keene ... -/SDA.html
Sometimes they come up on ebay for a fraction of that cost though.
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Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
Anybody want to comment on the AccessEz posted upthread? You need RCA connectors and the inputs are labeled for component, and it's discontinued, but there's still quite a few available for far less than $150 - more like $50.
Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
Yeah it looks interesting, but it's not really what I'm looking for. Like I mentioned in the original post, I'm looking to distribute RGB from my consoles via my SCART connections. The AccessEz you posted, I'd either have to use composite or convert my RGB to component which is just another conversion step that I'm not willing to do.Ed Oscuro wrote:Anybody want to comment on the AccessEz posted upthread? You need RCA connectors and the inputs are labeled for component, and it's discontinued, but there's still quite a few available for far less than $150 - more like $50.
Cool, thanks. I'll keep an eye out for one, hopefully I don't have to pay too much just to split-off a video signal.BuckoA51 wrote: I use one of Keene's 1:5 splitters and it works well, though of course overkill for what you need. http://www.keene.co.uk/electronic/keene ... -/SDA.html
Sometimes they come up on ebay for a fraction of that cost though.
I've found this site that has some really good information on various switchers:
http://www.videogameperfection.com/av-g ... h-roundup/
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Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
That's Bucko's site. Great resource, used it many tmes.opt2not wrote: I've found this site that has some really good information on various switchers:
http://www.videogameperfection.com/av-g ... h-roundup/
Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
I should have recognized that in his sig! Nice job BuckoA51!broken harbour wrote: That's Bucko's site. Great resource, used it many tmes.
Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
You would need either a low-pass filter or a band filter. I don't use any streaming software, so I can't say if there's an easy way to do it in XSplit or OBS. You will most likely need VAC and a program that can handle live audio streams and VST plugins. Something like this should do the trick: HiLoFilteropt2not wrote:How does one go about that?blizzz wrote: A general note about recording gameplay with commentary when you're playing on a CRT: remember to filter out the 15kHz noise. I just watched Trihex's stream yesterday and it was really annoying.
Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
It's for component video isn't it? We're after an RGB splitter here.Anybody want to comment on the AccessEz posted upthread?
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Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
I was under the impression that if you had RCA connectors that it'd work. Voltage levels should be about same and I don't think there's anything in the device that's fiddling with the signal. Yes, if you want to deal only with SCART plugs, the other devices shown here all look more compelling - though I think that you could still buy SCART to RCA connectors, and back if needed, while still staying far under the price of some of the SCART distributors.
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This is some great info. Thanks!blizzz wrote:You would need either a low-pass filter or a band filter. I don't use any streaming software, so I can't say if there's an easy way to do it in XSplit or OBS. You will most likely need VAC and a program that can handle live audio streams and VST plugins. Something like this should do the trick: HiLoFilter
I'm thinking I should try and pick up one of those simple SCART splitters for now, like Ghegs linked, and give that a go. It's much cheaper, available, and at least with it being SCART it'd be easy to open up and see what's happening inside. I just need to find some Male to Female adapters.
Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
Forget the plugin I mentioned yesterday, it messes up the other frequencies.
Here's what you can use to filter the 15kHz CRT noise: VSTHost, Kjaerhus Audio: Classic Auto-Filter
Settings
Filter: Band Restrict (for some reason it doesn't say BR in VSTHost)
Frequency: 15kHz (15.5-15.7kHz)
Feedback: 0%
Mix: 0:100
If you have two soundcards you can use a headset to test it. Just open a video with bad noise, set Stereo Mix (or Wave) as input and your headset on the second sound card as output. You can use the mix slider to compare original (100:0) to filtered (0:100). If you don't have a seperate headset you can also record the audio in VSTHost, or use Audacity to check the filter.
For live broadcasting you would use your microphone as input and either your default audio device or a VAC line as output.
Here's what you can use to filter the 15kHz CRT noise: VSTHost, Kjaerhus Audio: Classic Auto-Filter
Settings
Filter: Band Restrict (for some reason it doesn't say BR in VSTHost)
Frequency: 15kHz (15.5-15.7kHz)
Feedback: 0%
Mix: 0:100
If you have two soundcards you can use a headset to test it. Just open a video with bad noise, set Stereo Mix (or Wave) as input and your headset on the second sound card as output. You can use the mix slider to compare original (100:0) to filtered (0:100). If you don't have a seperate headset you can also record the audio in VSTHost, or use Audacity to check the filter.
For live broadcasting you would use your microphone as input and either your default audio device or a VAC line as output.
Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
Typically no, if you feed RGB through a component switch or splitter usually it won't work properly. There usually isn’t enough bandwidth for the full range of RGB through a component switch, unless it’s designed for component and RGB.I was under the impression that if you had RCA connectors that it'd work.
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http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=30061
There is also a diagram from a few years back (which I found easily weeks back...but finding this forum link again proved far too difficult today, for some reason) Fudoh drew up with the model in question in the chain, though I forget what it was switching.
Note also on the product's description page that the 985u is designed to tackle HD component sources.
Fudoh, if you're reading, could you clarify this?
There is also a diagram from a few years back (which I found easily weeks back...but finding this forum link again proved far too difficult today, for some reason) Fudoh drew up with the model in question in the chain, though I forget what it was switching.
Note also on the product's description page that the 985u is designed to tackle HD component sources.
Fudoh, if you're reading, could you clarify this?
Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
Perhaps an obvious suggestion, but does your PVM have an RGB analogue pass-through output?
Mine does.
Mine does.
Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
Unfortunately neither of my PVMs have an RGB output pass-through, they only have composite and s-video outs on the other lines.BubbaMc wrote:Perhaps an obvious suggestion, but does your PVM have an RGB analogue pass-through output?
Mine does.
Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
Along this same topic (apologies for Thread Bump of great magnitude) my PVM is the 1910, which has BNC ports for input *and* output. If I am guessing correctly, this means I can display the console video via RGB SCART to BNC, then do BNC outs to SCART into a SyncStrike, VGA that to an SLG3000, and finally VGA into a capture card, right? Since my PVM can function as both the display *and* the A/V splitter amp, I do not need to get an external one, yeah?
Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
What will you be feeding to the Slg 3000? It must be 480p. You need to add an upscaler like the "ebay cga to vga" to the chain for it to work.
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Ah, thanks, that's an important piece of the puzzle. One more device for the chain gang!
Re: SCART Distributor -- not a switcher - know where to get
You mean this thingie here? http://www.ebay.com/itm/CGA-EGA-YUV-RGB ... 1200469581Drjebus wrote:Ah, thanks, that's an important piece of the puzzle. One more device for the chain gang!