Fair point. Sorry.Dochartaigh wrote:Also, this is the forum if you're looking to buy something: viewforum.php?f=17
Those were SOLD listings I looked up then, which eBay scrubs every 30 or 60 days or something like that. Like all of us looking for something that isn't produced anymore you need to either browse eBay a couple times a day or setup detailed alerts (preferably based off the list on page 1 so you're only getting alerted for COMPATIBLE units!!!Foxe wrote:I feel like I must be missing something then though. I don't see any compatible units at a good price according to the list on the first page. Do you have a link to any of these eBay listings I could take a look at? Sorry if I'm being stupid about this.
so eBay emails you every morning if there's any hits... then don't dilly dally but buy it immediately if it's still available or the other ~100ish people who ALSO setup alerts for these same exact units will buy it before you. Same process anybody uses to buy anything rare-ish on eBay.Gotcha. Thanks. Yeah, I set up alerts a while back but was curious if there were other areas I could hit.Dochartaigh wrote:Like all of us looking for something that isn't produced anymore you need to either browse eBay a couple times a day or setup detailed alerts (preferably based off the list on page 1 so you're only getting alerted for COMPATIBLE units!!!
GBS-C only does 480->240 right? These can do 1080->240. It should make for some fun situations with modern consoles especially with retro-inspired games. I'd imagine the new Shantae games would look pretty cool on a CRT.fernan1234 wrote:Any reasons left to still hunt for one of these for 240p downscaling after the GBS-C has been available?
OK that sounds like a good reason, though as long as you're fine having another element in the chain, there are plenty of good, cheaply, and easily available scalers that can do 1080p to 480p.Foxe wrote:GBS-C only does 480->240 right? These can do 1080->240. It should make for some fun situations with modern consoles especially with retro-inspired games. I'd imagine the new Shantae games would look pretty cool on a CRT.
I have a Corio, an Extron, and a GBS-C. Of all these solutions I find that the Corio is the easiest to set up and use. The GBS-C only does 480p-240p and you have to use a sync combiner to get the signal to play nice with a PVM or BVM. The first thing I tried to do with mine was downscale and I realized that I had to build my own sync combiner. My Extron works well but I seem to get some crushing/posterization with it that I don't get with my Corio. GBS-C is great for upscaling but the downscaling still has some snags.fernan1234 wrote:Any reasons left to still hunt for one of these for 240p downscaling after the GBS-C has been available?
Is that an Extron DSC HD unit? Yeah, I've noticed some of that too in some of the scaling modes. I've been using a Gefen scaler that doesn't seem to have these problems, though it outputs SDI instead of HDMI (though it's full chroma 444).Danexmurder wrote:My Extron works well but I seem to get some crushing/posterization with it that I don't get with my Corio.
I think Danexmurder is referencing an Extron Emotia. My biggest issue with those machines are their age, rarity, and price. They are very old machines and require maintenance. They also use obscure power supplies. If you're good at tinkering and enjoy soldering, that's no problem. For people that just want to play video games, the Emotia is going to be inconvenient and expensive to purchase and own.fernan1234 wrote: Is that an Extron DSC HD unit? Yeah, I've noticed some of that too in some of the scaling modes. I've been using a Gefen scaler that doesn't seem to have these problems, though it outputs SDI instead of HDMI (though it's full chroma 444).
I've noticed some color detail crushing from the output of a DSC 301 HD (and an HD-HD, which uses the same scaling engine). But it's not too noticeable though and overall the scaled output of these Extrons is great.orange808 wrote:I never noticed any issues with the Extron DSC 301 HD scaling engine.
Your other 240p downscaling alternatives are the DVDO iScan HD+ and the Aurora Dido Jr.fernan1234 wrote:I've noticed some color detail crushing from the output of a DSC 301 HD (and an HD-HD, which uses the same scaling engine). But it's not too noticeable though and overall the scaled output of these Extrons is great.orange808 wrote:I never noticed any issues with the Extron DSC 301 HD scaling engine.
And yes, they can't downscale down to 240p. I was thinking of them as an option to downscale FHD or HD content down to ED 480p, which a GBS-C (or the upcoming RT5X) can then downscale to 240p, as an alternative to a Corio2.
Does your gscartsw handle RGsB? That should sidestep the entire issue.Foxe wrote:I've been trying to read up on cables and connections for these Corio2s. The reading material on them maybe implies differences between the units? RGB lines are all 0.7 Vp-p but what about the sync lines? For the 750 it clearly states TTL sync, but for something like the 2355A it states Impedance 75Ω on the analogue output with no mention of sync. Is it safe to assume TTL sync here as well?
Also, none ever seem to mention what pins are used for csync in the case of RGBS. It seems to be a fair assumption that this is on the H sync line from the DVI-I port but I wanted to know if anybody confirmed this.
The reason I ask all of this is my ideal scenario is a Corio2 with a cable directly into my GScartSw. Video levels are fine but TTL sync would not be. A 470ohm resistor there seems to be enough. The idea seems straightforward, RGB off the analogue pins from DVI-I, 470ohm resistor between HSync and the csync pin on SCART, audio pulled as 3.5mm from an HDMI->DVI-D box (unless somebody has a better suggestion).
I don't know if anybody builds these, but I was planning on doing it myself. Thoughts? What does everybody else use to connect these guys up?
Oooooh. It does. I did not consider this as an option. Admittedly I know the least about sync on green. Is TTL/voltage not an issue in that case? I would assume not since the RGB lines are 0.7 Vp-p anyway. That's an excellent idea.orange808 wrote:Does your gscartsw handle RGsB? That should sidestep the entire issue.
I think that one only accepts NTSC and PAL standard inputs. If it follows the manufacturer's specs (and why wouldn't it?), it will not do what you want.Foxe wrote: There was a C2-1200 listed shortly ago that I picked up for ~$80. Output is VGA, I'm assuming it doesn't have anything strange about the VGA port. VGA->Scart should be easy then. Through other posts, it seems like the 1200 _should_ work but isn't listed as a known working model. The specification sheet lists the 1200 and 1250 side by side with the 1250 having a few bonus features.
Sorry, I'm a bit confused. Could you elaborate? It should be identical to the 1250.orange808 wrote:I think that one only accepts NTSC and PAL standard inputs. If it follows the manufacturer's specs (and why wouldn't it?), it will not do what you want.
To what end? The spec sheet is quite clear.kitty666cats wrote:Just use a HDMI to Component for input instead of HDMI to VGA. For output, you can just use 4 BNC cables or a special-made 4BNC input to male SCART output, that's easier than VGA to SCART as you wouldn't potentially need a sync combiner
You are right. 5000 series is the old lineup. 5100 is analog I/O only, and 5200 has some additional SDI ports on top of 5100. Usually I won't recommend 5000 series due to the lack of DVI (HDMI) I/O.Dochartaigh wrote:Thanks for the info! I will add to the list. Do you know any history of these model lines? It looks like the 5000's always seem to be of an older make (drastically different buttons, jog dial, etc.) but they're still C2's...Limera1n wrote:TVONE C2-5200, 7100, 7200, and 8110 confirmed at 240P. 8110 (which is the high-end model) also has a sharper image than all 5000, 2000 and 7000 series, especially at higher resolutions like 720P and 1080i. I got my 8110 at around USD$250.
From my experience, all 5000, 7000, and 8000 series should work.
Many of the others seem to all be switchers, which can also scale? Are you able to save different 240p profiles PER input? (up to 8 inputs it looks like, depending on model), or is it only 2x profiles for each of the 2x outputs many of these models have?
If you're using the HDMI output, the only thing I can think of is HDCP. Are you using anything to strip it?Foxe wrote:Has anybody had Playstation consoles not work with the Corio2? Wii U, Xboxes, Switch, classic consoles, all work fine. For whatever reason though, the PS3 and PS4 will display for a moment, and then drop entirely. The signal drops on my main TV as well which makes me believe that the console itself doesn't want to display for whatever reason. I have no clue why though. If anybody has an idea, please let me know.
I̶ ̶a̶m̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶.̶ ̶I̶'̶m̶ ̶s̶u̶r̶p̶r̶i̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶H̶D̶C̶P̶ ̶w̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶n̶ ̶a̶f̶f̶e̶c̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶.̶ ̶I̶ ̶r̶e̶m̶e̶m̶b̶e̶r̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶ ̶i̶n̶f̶o̶r̶m̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶a̶b̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶H̶D̶C̶P̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶C̶o̶r̶i̶o̶'̶s̶ ̶s̶e̶t̶t̶i̶n̶g̶s̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶w̶e̶l̶l̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶a̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶b̶i̶t̶s̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶i̶n̶f̶o̶r̶m̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶f̶r̶o̶m̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶s̶i̶t̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶u̶r̶n̶ ̶o̶f̶f̶ ̶H̶D̶M̶I̶ ̶o̶u̶t̶p̶u̶t̶.̶ ̶ ̶D̶o̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶r̶e̶c̶o̶m̶m̶e̶n̶d̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶s̶t̶r̶i̶p̶p̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶H̶D̶C̶P̶?̶nmalinoski wrote:If you're using the HDMI output, the only thing I can think of is HDCP. Are you using anything to strip it?
You are right - HDCP encrypted HDMI sources will not display properly through TVONE. In most cases, all you get is a black screen. There are workarounds. One would need an HDCP stripper device, often in the form of HDMI audio splitter. What I usually do is putting such a stripper/splitter between the HDMI source and TVONE to remove the HDCP protection. Not all HDMI audio splitters double as a HDCP stripper, but some do. You might have to buy from different Chinese companies and trial and error.Foxe wrote:I̶ ̶a̶m̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶.̶ ̶I̶'̶m̶ ̶s̶u̶r̶p̶r̶i̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶H̶D̶C̶P̶ ̶w̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶n̶ ̶a̶f̶f̶e̶c̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶.̶ ̶I̶ ̶r̶e̶m̶e̶m̶b̶e̶r̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶ ̶i̶n̶f̶o̶r̶m̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶a̶b̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶H̶D̶C̶P̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶C̶o̶r̶i̶o̶'̶s̶ ̶s̶e̶t̶t̶i̶n̶g̶s̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶w̶e̶l̶l̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶a̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶b̶i̶t̶s̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶i̶n̶f̶o̶r̶m̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶f̶r̶o̶m̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶s̶i̶t̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶u̶r̶n̶ ̶o̶f̶f̶ ̶H̶D̶M̶I̶ ̶o̶u̶t̶p̶u̶t̶.̶ ̶ ̶D̶o̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶r̶e̶c̶o̶m̶m̶e̶n̶d̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶s̶t̶r̶i̶p̶p̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶H̶D̶C̶P̶?̶nmalinoski wrote:If you're using the HDMI output, the only thing I can think of is HDCP. Are you using anything to strip it?
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So it doesn't seem related to HDCP. I've gotten each console to work completely at least a tiny percentage of the time. Wii U and Switch seem to work almost perfectly. Amazon Fire Stick and PlayStation consoles will most often work for about 15 seconds and then drop video. On the rare occasion when resetting various devices (the HDMI splitter, the Corio, both) things will work perfectly, never dropping video. The problem is it's so inconsistent. Things I've tried with no change in behavior.
Various HDMI Splitters
Turning on devices in particular order (Seems to work some times)
- Best results have been console -> splitter -> Corio.
GScartSw's sync regeneration and sync on green stripping.
Things to try still:
RGBs instead of RGsB, have to build a new cable for that though.
Reflashing firmware on Corio.
Potentially change resolution settings? No clue if it's related to something being wrong in the XML.
This was what I needed apparently. The blue Orei brand splitter seemed to do the trick. A bit annoyingly I have my HDMI source going to a 4K splitter with audio extraction with a single source going to the new splitter for the Corio. PS4 and others seem to work perfectly now, no drop outs so far.kitty666cats wrote:The black + blue ‘Orei’ brand 1:2 HDMI splitter will strip HDCP (and almost certainly any splitter that implements that same generic design). But you wanna watch out for the image being dropped on some of aforementioned splitters, most likely just gotta make sure you have a good PSU, but some people claim to have better luck when *actually* using both outputs and not just using the splitters strictly as HDCP strippers. Though they absolutely do support 1 singular output O_o
