.Color me interested as well. My KDL50W800B doesn't do anything above x2 when I tested. I'll have to give this a shot!bobrocks95 wrote:This is super interesting since I think it's the first time the low-lag Sonys have been proven to work (at least to some degree) on a setting above 2x?RaphM wrote:I got my OSSC this weekend and just finished setting everything up / digging through the settings etc... .
I was especially hyped about the line5x mode, finally got it to work and wanted to share some insights:
* My TV: Sony kdl55w755 (which is known for low input lag in game mode, 1080p screen), no other devices but a gscartsw_lite in the chain
* "Allow TVP HPLL2x" set to off
Initially 5x mode was not recognized, but with the above setting I was able to "trick" my TV into accepting the mode by switching between the "Line5x modes":
Usually a single "Generic 4:3" -> "320x240 optim." -> "256x240 optim" -> "Generic 4:3" cycle is enough and the TV will suddenly accept the image (and it also never dropped again, even on console resets).
Performing this trick is bit annoying though, maybe somebody got some advanced scaling settings that could help s.t. the output is accepted initially?
But anyway, I am super happy with the OSSC and am now connecting all my 240p consoles through it.
The Framemeister is still used for Shenanigans like 7x zooming into the Super Gameboy and interlaced sources (which is basically only my PS2), but for all other uses the super low input lag (I'm reaching ~1 frame results in the manual lag test of the 240p test suite) and perfect color processing of the OSSC make it my new #1 choice
I'm sure 480px2 remains broken, but for your x5 setup do the NES/SNES work?
Strikers1945guy wrote:"Do we....eat chicken balls?!"
Strikers1945guy wrote:"Do we....eat chicken balls?!"
Yeah the C series was when they switched to Android for the OS, right? Lag isn't bad, but I think it's in like the 30ms range, so nowhere near the great 2014 lineup.Xyga wrote:I see what you mean, RaphM's model is actually the KDL55W755C, of the 2015 series without the low lag and IIRC also different compatibility.
Damn that was too good to be true.
I'll still try the trick another time though, whatever. :p
Nope, all my EE/DE settings are at 0. (some metal gear shots are a little soft because the game uses a depth of field effect and sometimes motion blur)BuckoA51 wrote:Are you adding any softening to the image with the DVDO?
hmm, I do remember you posting a screenshot somewhere of the 240p test in 480p mode with OSSC line 2x enabled, was that generated by a Dreamcast? (did you account for the resolution weirdness, with the DTV setting?) I'll take a few more shots, and if I get a chance some direct captures. the only real difficulties I've noticed is that some games with odd internal resolutions can look weird. Virtua fighter 4 at 480i 4x can look a little bit rough (but testing the up sample 2x option makes it look a bit more natural, especially with added alternating scanlines). the only time I really use DVDO's DE/EE + OSSC is usually the 3X modes.BuckoA51 wrote:Hmm, I wonder why everything I tried on the Edge at 480p Line x2 looked so much more over-sharpened...
Anyway, just a quick cheeky post to say OSSC are in-stock now and shipping in 1-2 days. No queues, no pre-orders, just pay and get your unit. https://www.videogameperfection.com/pro ... converter/
interesting, have you ruled out the possibility that the CII processes analog component differently than digital full range HDMI? (are the sharpness setting neutral for both tested inputs?) I wonder if it would be worth comparing one of the more widely used component to HDMI transcoder's, just to see what results you would get. also, did you test RGB+OSSC as well as component on that same HDMI connection? I remember older component to RGB conversion devices losing sharpness because of difficulty with the color conversion process.Xer Xian wrote: Leaving aside the ridiculous brightness level of direct CII processing (which can of course be fine-tuned), bypassing the OSSC results in a clearly sharper picture imho. I tried changing the OSSC LPF settings but it didn't make a difference. The OSSC was set to generic sampling - maybe I should give optimized sampling a try? Or would it just be a matter of the CII performing digitization a tiny bit better?
well, that is kind of point of this device. using a modern display of high enough quality you can theoretically get a similar or better experience than a Pro or Pro-sumer grade CRT from the past. if OLEDs continue to evolve then that would be a likely possibility. and it's not like they ever made 65 inch+ BVM monitors (they physically couldn't, from what I understand).xga wrote:God damn the OSSC is freaking incredible! I'm currently playing the Saturn on a 65" LG C7 OLED (set to game mode) in x5 mode and it's almost like a religious experience! I kinda feel dirty in saying this, but I (almost) feel that I could forego my RGB monitors and BVM's with this device and an OLED TV. Whilst the usability could use some work (is there an overlay available for the remote? Hopefully marqs can squeeze in a menu system at some point), the end result is nothing short of spectacular.
Thanks marqs and Matt for providing an amazing piece of kit! I'm now a believer!
My kdl55w755C has no problem with 2x-4x, so no "trick" needed there (I find it a bit funny this methodology seems to now be officially called "the trick"dadjumper wrote:Has anyone else had confirmed success with this cycle trick on a Sony W series TV?
I'm waiting for my OSSC in the mail right now and I have a 40W730C. I'm hopeful I can get something other than 2x out of it. Will post and confirm when it arrives.
I assume this trick works for 3x and 4x as well?
).Oh, that's interesting about 3x and 4x! Thanks.RaphM wrote:My kdl55w755C has no problem with 2x-4x, so no "trick" needed there (I find it a bit funny this methodology seems to now be officially called "the trick"dadjumper wrote:Has anyone else had confirmed success with this cycle trick on a Sony W series TV?
I'm waiting for my OSSC in the mail right now and I have a 40W730C. I'm hopeful I can get something other than 2x out of it. Will post and confirm when it arrives.
I assume this trick works for 3x and 4x as well?
As some pointed out that model is a 2015 one running on Android (mind the "C", so its not super low-lag like the 2014s and may have different compatibility - since I found no definitive measurements online I'm getting a Leo Bodnar device as well as the parts for the OSSC DIY lag test to measure my display and will post the results here).
Why waste money on an expensive LB now ? You have the OSSC you don't need one.RaphM wrote:I'm getting a Leo Bodnar device as well as the parts for the OSSC DIY lag test to measure my display and will post the results here).
Strikers1945guy wrote:"Do we....eat chicken balls?!"
I'm obsessive with taking measurements (for example I got a cheap oscilloscope to verify the sync signal of all my consoles), so of course I also want to get a comparison between LB and the OSSC DIY solution.Xyga wrote:Why waste money on an expensive LB now ? You have the OSSC you don't need one.RaphM wrote:I'm getting a Leo Bodnar device as well as the parts for the OSSC DIY lag test to measure my display and will post the results here).
(unless because the LB works on batteries you plan to go on a journey measuring lag in shops and run like a true rebel)
.I meant to mention in the latest newsletter, there's one in the works.is there an overlay available for the remote?
Well you should know Extron Crosspoint BNC outputs are TTL level, which is too high voltage level for OSSC (or any device) SCART input! You need to add extra resistor (470 Ohm) to the SYNC signal(s) to lower them to acceptable SCART levels to protect the OSSC SCART input.Tapeworm wrote:If I am going to be assigning my OSSC to one of my Extron Crosspoint outputs, is there anything I should be aware of or anticipate on the Extron side of things? Do the dip switches in the back have an impact?
Optim modes give a sharper image on my Panasonic Plasma. Generic modes don't require as much messing about which the sampling settings though, so I just stick with them.Xer Xian wrote: maybe I should give optimized sampling a try? Or would it just be a matter of the CII performing digitization a tiny bit better?
Well I haven't ruled that out, but I'd certainly be surprised to learn that the CII has a sharper processing on analog inputs vs. digital.. I'm confident that sharpness was set to 0 (neutral) on both inputs, but I'll check that out again to be sure.Blair wrote:interesting, have you ruled out the possibility that the CII processes analog component differently than digital full range HDMI? (are the sharpness setting neutral for both tested inputs?)
Thanks, I really need to mess with the optim modes and adv.timings setting someday. Hopefully that'll give a little extra kick to the (already great) picture quality. In the meanwhile, if other members have a similar - or different - experience with the OSSC+CII combo, please share it here or PM me! Thanksbonzo.bits wrote:Optim modes give a sharper image on my Panasonic Plasma. Generic modes don't require as much messing about which the sampling settings though, so I just stick with them.
