XRGB-mini Framemeister

[BuckoA51]

What kind of changes put?, Scalines?, Game_1?, Photo?, Standard? ...... Which?, 4:3 or 16:9? very thanks.

For all the basic settings please see the Wiki http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/XRGB ... AMEMEISTER

On the CRT, the emulators run just PERFECTLY. No lag at all, ultra smooth scrolling & sharp image quality, but on the Plasma and LED... they're terrible.

Should not be the case, what refresh rate settings are you using on the PC, which emulators? Don't output them at 640x480, output at your panels native resolution.

[8bitpower]

Should not be the case, what refresh rate settings are you using on the PC, which emulators? Don't output them at 640x480, output at your panels native resolution.

I am using MAME (for Arcade Games) & Fusion (for all Sega Consoles), both set at 640x480 60Hz because it's the best setting I've found for the SLG300, at higher resolutions the scanlines simply don't work (don't know why).

Edit: I've set the output at the panels' native resolution (with & without the SLG) but the outcome isn't good. My old CRT monitor definitely beats the Plasma or LED TVs when it comes to emulation. No way to solve this? Not even with the Framemeister?

[marqs]

Should not be the case, what refresh rate settings are you using on the PC, which emulators? Don't output them at 640x480, output at your panels native resolution.

I am using MAME (for Arcade Games) & Fusion (for all Sega Consoles), both set at 640x480 60Hz because it's the best setting I've found for the SLG300, at higher resolutions the scanlines simply don't work (don't know why).

Edit: I've set the output at the panels' native resolution (with & without the SLG) but the outcome isn't good. My old CRT monitor definitely beats the Plasma or LED TVs when it comes to emulation. No way to solve this? Not even with the Framemeister?

There should be no blur with the plasma TV at least. If you have set the output to match the panel resolution and refresh rate to 60Hz and the issue still persists, I'd go though the TV and emulator settings next. The default scaling algorithm in many emulators is bilinear, which looks blurry with pixel graphics. That would be noticable with the CRT too, though.

[BuckoA51]

Yes you're right you should use 640x480 with the SLG, but really there should be no need to use the SLG3000 with the PC in the vast majority of cases. Particularly when using a HDTV/flat panel, using the scanlines provided with the emulators usually gives the same or better results. Particularly with Mame where HLSL will give you much better results, unless your PC is old and cannot handle HLSL of course.

Of course I'm generalising here and some emulators have horrible scaling and scanline overlays.

[Popstars]

I am back with my results on a PS2, following Fudoh's advices.

For those interested, here is what seemed the best in my opinion, if anyone is interested :
- Picture Mode set to "Natural" (the "Movie" one has noise)
- Sharpness to 2
- H_Scaler to 5 or 6
- V_Scaler to 5

Question : what is the purpose of the "Under" value for the "Screen Setting" parameter ?

When you say "use 1080p output", what do you mean exactly ? For know I am going through the "D" input (plugged with component cables) and the HDMI output, with a forced resolution to 1024x768.
I (strangely !) also have a display when I select the HDMI input, but the default result is not good.

What is strange also is that the top and the bottom of the screen have a black borders, like if I was playing in 50Hz mode (my PS2 is PAL but it is modded and I am running US (=> 60Hz) version of the games).
If you add them to the borders on the right and left (4:3), then the games is running in a windows, which is a bit sad.
Any explanation or way to fix this ?

I also noticed sometimes some strange jaggies/shakings on polygons (the hands of the characters in a fight of Final Fantasy X-2 for instance), like they are duplicated.

Thanks,

PS : would it be the same type of configuration for the Wii ?

[BuckoA51]

with a forced resolution to 1024x768.

Why are you doing this exactly? Is that the resolution of your display?

[Popstars]

That's the resolution my TV automatically switches to when I power on the combo "PS2 + XRGB-Mini"
For games like FFX-2 it's a bit annoying because the TV seems to search for/ try to switch resolution between gameplay sequences and CG videos.

It's there a way/use to change manually the resolution directly at XRGB-Mini level, and should it be done to improve the expected quality ? Or is the XRGB-Mini automatically selects the best resolution regarding of the source ?

[BuckoA51]

You set the resolution in the HDMI or DVI output menu.

[Popstars]

I saw that but the HDMI result is very ugly (oversaturated colors + images does not fit the screenà. Should it be the one I am expected to use ?

I am in the "PS2 > Component Cables > DVI cable" configuration as the INPUT, and HDMI as the OUTPUT.
So I am expected to use "OUTPUT : DVI" in the XRGB-MINI, don't you think ?


PS : I am not familiar with the DVI format. Is it supposed to be good like RGB ? Crap like RCA ? Or in-between ?

[Fudoh]

You mean D-Terminal (not DVI). D-Terminal is component. Usually about as good as RGB and with the added benefit of bring ED/HD-capable.

BuckoA51 was refering to the output configuration: HDMI mode has HD timings, DVI mode has VESA timings.

[BuckoA51]

I saw that but the HDMI result is very ugly (oversaturated colors + images does not fit the screenà. Should it be the one I am expected to use ?

If it's a 720p panel, use 720p output, if it's 1080p use 1080p or 720p if you want to use scanlines. Oversaturated colours, I'm sure you can troubleshoot that.

[marqs]

I saw that but the HDMI result is very ugly (oversaturated colors + images does not fit the screenà. Should it be the one I am expected to use ?

If it's a 720p panel, use 720p output, if it's 1080p use 1080p or 720p if you want to use scanlines. Oversaturated colours, I'm sure you can troubleshoot that.

Hopefully it's not a 1366x768 panel - some of those ''HD ready" TVs can't even show 1024x768 pixel perfect...

If you have XRGB-Mini outputting RGB (HDMI supports both RGB and YCbCr - you can check which one is used in the status menu), oversaturated colors may be caused by incorrect RGB range. Mini outputs full-range with most inputs, while TVs expect limited range by default with HDMI. Try to check in the TV menus if you can change the RGB range to 'full' - otherwise, you have to match the ranges by tuning brightness and contrast settings on Mini.

[Popstars]

Thanks guys. For info, I am using a 32" Full HD TV (Bravia KDL-32W4000).

Yes I meant "D-Terminal", not "DVI", my bad.
In noob terms, what is the difference between HD timings and VESA timings ? Which is best ?

Do you confirm that the XRGB-Mini only has one OUTPUT plug, which is HDMI ?
If so, how is it technically possible that somehting is displayed when choosing the "D-Terminal" option in the "output menu" ?

I'll try your advices and let you know.

[MMJuno]

Do you confirm that the XRGB-Mini only has one OUTPUT plug, which is HDMI ?

If so, how is it technically possible that somehting is displayed when choosing the "D-Terminal" option in the "output menu" ?

Yes. It only outputs HDMI.

D-Terminal is an input selection. There is no D-Terminal output selection.

I feel like this shouldn't need to be asked, but if the colors are oversaturated, have you tried simply turning down the Saturation setting in the Color menu..?

[broken]

Currently rocking a XRGB-mini with a Dell S2440L display and while it looks great, I need something larger and less glossy.

Anyone have a recommendation on a 27 to 32 inch TV that is available in the USA today with low input lag?


Couple requirements:

At least 2 HDMI
Speakers built in
Low input lag
Non super glossy screen and chassis
Current model that can be purchased

[Smashbro29]

I'm starting to see why profiles are such a suggested feature. Imagine being able to have a profile you can name for every console? Awesome.

[akumajo]

1.08 : http://www.micomsoft.co.jp/XRGBmini_v1_08.zip

［お知らせ］ XRGB-mini ファームウェアVer1.08を公開しました。現在販売中の製品に入っているバージョンと同じですので、最近ご購入の方は更新しなくても大丈夫です。セーフティーボタン使用時の位置ズレを改善します。

[chronic1]

whaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAT? :0 Can't wait to read, from those in the know, what is included with this release!

[Konsolkongen]

Looks like the only change is about the Safety button. A button I have never used

Well at least they released 1.08. So hopefully that means they are working on 1.09 when not designing computer desks and whatnot.

EDIT: Without having a source input at the time, it looks like they changed the Auto Scaler GAME preset to 5/5 rather than 6/6 as it was before...?

EDIT2: Nope that's only when there's no input detected. Whit my Saturn detected it defaults to H6 V6 again

Was it H5 V6 or H7 V6 that was recommended for a sharper image? Either way looks pretty similar to me.

[Popstars]

For info, this firmware is the one I got installed by default.

So I tried with HDMI output, in 1080p_60.
Both in HDMI and D output, I have black borders at the top and bottom of the screens. I reminds me of a 50Hz Mega Drive in 1990

If it can help the diagnostic, here is the "Status" info I get when using the D output :
720x576iPCM
1024x768pVLOCK

and with HDMI :
720x480iPCM
1920x1080pVLOCK
I am not sure it is correct as the ratio of the XRGB-Mini menus is not good (larger than high)


Another point : it seems the configuration is shared between the HDMI and D output. So any change in HDMI affects the D, and vice versa. Isn't there a way to save some profiles, one for each output or one for each system connected to the XRGB-Mini ?

The results I managed to get using the D ouput is now quite good (minus the borders), so I am a bit afraid to touch anything
Is it supposed to be significantly better using HDMI ?

PS : saw that the wiki has been updated with the suggested config for PS2, good if it can help others !

[Fudoh]

H5 is the sharpest setting for 240p content.

You're not supposed to switch between DVI und HDMI output. The correct setting depends on your display. If your using a Full HD TV set, why would you use XGA output ?

[Konsolkongen]

So I tried with HDMI output, in 1080p_60.
Both in HDMI and D output, I have black borders at the top and bottom of the screens. I reminds me of a 50Hz Mega Drive in 1990

Considering that the Mega Drive outputs (for the most part) in 320x224 in a 240p resolution you will have small black borders at the top and bottom of your screen. This is correct.

EDIT: Thanks Fudoh.

[Fudoh]

And PS2 has heavy underscan anyway...

[Shining]

I might be getting a US 1CHIP-03 SNES soon that will be hooked up to the Mini with an official PAL Gamecube cable. I have the option of letting the seller mod it for c-sync, or should i leave it as it is?

[Fudoh]

Mine isn't. I don't see a reason.

[BuckoA51]

This was discussed a few pages back and I posted some comparison shots. On the XRGB3, using c-sync instead of composite video for sync improved picture quality significantly, eliminating a dot-crawl type effect on red areas of the image. Running the exact same cable on the mini however, there was no difference between the composite video for sync and the raw c-sync.

Edit - comparison shots are on page 128 - http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... start=3810

[Shining]

Mine isn't. I don't see a reason.

This was discussed a few pages back and I posted some comparison shots. On the XRGB3, using c-sync instead of composite video for sync improved picture quality significantly, eliminating a dot-crawl type effect on red areas of the image. Running the exact same cable on the mini however, there was no difference between the composite video for sync and the raw c-sync.

Edit - comparison shots are on page 128 - http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... start=3810

Oh, thanks. And the cable itself should not be a problem with composite video output? All i know is that it works great with a 1CHIP-01.

[BuckoA51]

Not sure what you mean, you can use a c-sync modded console, a regular console with a regular SCART cable or a regular console with a c-sync SCART cable and they should all work the same with the mini.

[Shining]

I'm not that technical and i just wanted to rule some things out before making a decision. Thanks for the help

[Fudoh]

can't hurt, but you won't gain anything by getting it modded either - easy as that.