Mischief Maker wrote:Skykid wrote:Black Panther being irritatingly pedestaled for no obvious reason
"No obvious reason?" Really? C'mon!
I'm gonna throw the words of the guy I just recommended back in his face. As
a grown-up movie, Black Panther is more Marvel warmed-over mediocrity. But
a kid's movie,
yes! I will say it's an important film.
In
a cinematic landscape where black characters are always criminals, victims, or token friends, can you name ANY other movie, fantasy or otherwise, that's depicted such
a positive vision of
a society run entirely by Africans? Even utopian Star Trek TNG
failed horribly at that. 12 years
a slave is indisputably
a better film in every aspect, but what 6-year-old kid is going to be playing with
a Solomon Northup action figure?
Richard Pryor explained the value of this way back in 1982.
Yes, Disney is
a soulless corporation that's cynically using social justice as
a marketing hook. As if other forms of marketing are more honorable? Is the art world going to be harmed if Black Panther makes more money than Transformers, featuring positive role model
Jazz?
And yes, I know Paul Joseph Watson puts himself in that group of people like Sam Harris, Dave Rubin, and Jordan Peterson that imply alt-right arguments while being careful not to fully commit to them, even claiming to be somehow on the left. That's what I was referring to when calling him a "classical liberal" in sneer quotes. They're called the "alt-light" and thanks to the Kochs and the Mercers it's a profitable gig. How do you think the College Republicans are always able to pay thousands of dollars for youtubers and twitter trolls to give talks at their campuses? Bake sales?
I don't think you get what I've been saying here. The fact it's an all black cast in
a big budget blockbuster superhero bonanza isn't lost on me; what's bothering me is people saying the quality of the movie is far beyond its actual worth based solely on identity politics, and people who criticize it as being racist - which is absurd. If it's as Neorichie and others have claimed - distinctly average MCU dross - then it has every right to be labeled as such.
Also, if you think Jordan Peterson is implying alt-right arguments either you haven't got all your dogs barking or you haven't watched enough of his lectures and interviews to know that as
a a professor of psychology he approaches topics of identity politics and similar from the perspective of his trade, and he is much closer to center left politically.
I also don't think because Dave Ruben, Sam Harris or the likes of Milo the provocateur or Ben Shapiro voice opposing views to leftist ideologies automatically makes them in line with alt-right either. Views are views, politics is politics. These people are airing voices and opinion - that doesn't make them Nazis.
For example, Sam Harris is against the Muslim faith in the extreme, but does that qualify
a person automatically as
a white supremacist? Of course not. You can be generally liberal and still disagree wth something at the same time.
At the moment the views and methods of the extreme left are far more fascistic in nature than the arguments of media popular liberal right wingers because they won't permit the opposition to have
a voice and they condemn that opposition for even attempting to speak. Black Panther is case in point: you aren't allowed to criticize it on the very basis that to do so is somehow based in racial prejudice.
Personally I believe the left have some fair arguments. I personally think some of Trump's immigration policies are appalling and I can't believe they're deporting families who have lived in the US for over 20 years. But the way the radical left is attempting to silence any opposing viewpoints is dangerous.