I've been trying for hours to tweak my new Framemeister with my NES but to no end...
I've tried on 2 different TVs, but I can't get rid of several problems :
- The image looks quite blurry
- The white is always sort of coloured
- Overall quality quite poor
I run on a French Pal Nes, with the original SCART cable connected to a EuroSCART to Framemeister XRGB mini passive adapter cable...
Here are some pictures in case it helps or triggers any idea...
You have some additional problems there like diagonal lines, but otherwise the blurry result looks like what I'd expect from running composite through the Framemeister.
Were you expecting true RGB out of your French NES? From what I understand those system just have a terrible internal conversion of composite to RGB for compatability reasons. There is no boost to quality. If anything it apparently looks worse than regular composite.
I wasn't expecting anything particular from the fact that my Nes is French, it just so happens that it's where I got it from lol
Overall I thought the result would really look slick, with neat and sharp pixels ; something comparable to what I'm actually having with the games provided with the Switch/nes library...
Is this impossible to get?
Coin_coin wrote: something comparable to what I'm actually having with the games provided with the Switch/nes library...
Is this impossible to get?
These expectations were just a little bit too high!
It's impossible from a stock NES. A NES with an RGB mod and a good converter (i.e. NOT the Framemeister XRGB-mini) can get you something comparable to the Switch NES library.
But if you want to stick to the original composite output, don't use the Framemeister, which is crap compared to the RT2X and OSSC for absolutely anything except deinterlacing. The video that Gara posted shows this well. IMO your best results scaling the original composite video with what is currently available is with a RT2X Multiformat. The upcoming RT5X and PixelFX Morph will probably be even better.
Here is for example what the RetroTINK 2X-Pro and RetroTINK 2X-Multiformat look like with NES composite video:
I doubt you're going to get much better out of NES composite, at some point you're just limited by the low quality signal: garbage in, garbage out. There's not much you can do to improve the NES video quality short of going with potentially expensive mods like the NESRGB.
Coin_coin wrote: something comparable to what I'm actually having with the games provided with the Switch/nes library...
Is this impossible to get?
These expectations were just a little bit too high!
It's impossible from a stock NES. A NES with an RGB mod and a good converter (i.e. NOT the Framemeister XRGB-mini) can get you something comparable to the Switch NES library.
But if you want to stick to the original composite output, don't use the Framemeister, which is crap compared to the RT2X and OSSC for absolutely anything except deinterlacing. The video that Gara posted shows this well. IMO your best results scaling the original composite video with what is currently available is with a RT2X Multiformat. The upcoming RT5X and PixelFX Morph will probably be even better.
Hyperbole much? You can absolutely get great quality upscale with rgb into a framemeister. What an asinine response here.
To the OP you've already got the framemeister, go ahead and download FirebrandX's profiles for it, and then get your NES RGB modded. What's happening is you're sending the framemeister poor quality video. Composite crams all the video information into 1 single cable which causes all kinds of interference and other issues. A proper RGB signal is going to get you those sharp pixels you're looking for at 240p, and then using one of FirebrandX's profiles will get you the rest of the way to 1080p. The Retrotink and the OSSC are absolutely great products, but there is no point in buying something else when you've already got a framemeister. Plus the RetroTink2X is only going to get you to 480p which you're tv is then going to do a soft blurry upscale to 1080p or 4k. If you're looking for a sharper image then the framemeister to 1080p or OSSC are the current ways to go, with what is currently available.
Johnpv wrote:there is no point in buying something else when you've already got a framemeister
I disagree, because an NESRGB with an install service goes for around $250 USD plus shipping the console both ways, while an RT2X-MF goes for $130. The Framemeister route is not at all the obvious choice, merely the much better quality of the two options, but at twice the cost. It's still a tradeoff.
Johnpv wrote:Hyperbole much? You can absolutely get great quality upscale with rgb into a framemeister. What an asinine response here.
It's an opinion, which is what we share around here along with info. The framemeister did have a great quality upscale for the standards we had several years ago, but now we have considerably superior options that IMO do make the FM look like crap in comparison (again, except for deinterlacing), and even better ones coming up soon.
Guspaz wrote:Here is for example what the RetroTINK 2X-Pro and RetroTINK 2X-Multiformat look like with NES composite video:
The added (though by no means large) benefits of the 2X-M also appear when you see the game in motion.
Coin_coin wrote:Thank you for your answer and it's sources!
I wasn't expecting anything particular from the fact that my Nes is French, it just so happens that it's where I got it from lol
Overall I thought the result would really look slick, with neat and sharp pixels ; something comparable to what I'm actually having with the games provided with the Switch/nes library...
Is this impossible to get?
Cheers,
Yeah, you had some pretty high expectations. Original hardware can look that good, but in the case of the Nes it requires modding. Your Framemeister can produce an absolutely stunning result, but you need to feed it a quality signal.
Check out these two My Life in Gaming videos, it touches on what to expect and the Nesrgb mod.
Thankfully many other consoles have RGB out of the box, so you will just need to buy the proper cables. You might also find the ones that cap out at s-video to be suitable enough through the FM. However, there’s only so much that can be done to clean up a composite signal.
Edit : sorry for the poor picture quality, but CRT refresh rate + pictures don't mix well ; also I think I'll never succeed in implementing a picture directly in the post...
That looks like a more recent 'HD CRT' which upscales 240p fed into it and doesn't really treat the signal any better than a LCD display. If you can find a standard definition CRT the composite signal would look even better.
