UltraHDMI group-buy ROUND 7 - 2021-01-30 UPDATE

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alucard971 wrote:
Kithron wrote:Is there any way of James contacting me in the future? I want to change from UltraHDMI to N64Digital and James still has my N64 that I shipped to him and at 341 for the spreadsheet.
Wanted to bring it up to his attention.

Got in contact with Dan to see if I could get on the list but I can wait a bit.
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alucard971 wrote:If you plan on buying an N64Digital this Sunday, note there was a slight price increase due to part cost. PixelFX split the difference, so its only a $10 difference. Not a deal breaker at all.

https://twitter.com/PixelFXco/status/14 ... 25280?s=19


At the moment, they are going down the list. Whenever they get to your number in line they will ask you if you want a refund. Until then, the email he posted on the origin of this thread will work. It will take some time to get to it as I'm sure they are being destroyed with various other emails right now, but it will be answered. Julian will also occasionally update everyone on this forum and will go through and read responses. He will reply to you then in his mass update post.
Wrong again.

They haven't issued refunds at all since the end of last year after crying about the paypal fees they were being charged to do so. Many have requested refunds repeatedly and been outright ignored by the scam brothers citing lack of funds to doing so after they misappropriated the money and are banking on new orders to fund those from 2 years ago.
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alucard971 wrote:At the moment, they are going down the list. Whenever they get to your number in line they will ask you if you want a refund. Until then, the email he posted on the origin of this thread will work. It will take some time to get to it as I'm sure they are being destroyed with various other emails right now, but it will be answered. Julian will also occasionally update everyone on this forum and will go through and read responses. He will reply to you then in his mass update post.
Thanks for giving people helpful information and keeping things positive here!
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The goal is to get people playing as soon as possible. Any action counterproductive to that is asinine. Any information I can give to get product in hand, I will make sure I post it here. It doesn't matter if that's Ultra HDMI, N64Digital, or anything else that becomes available.
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alucard971 wrote:Didn't read a word of it, Lethal. Don't have to. You obviously have a mental deficiency.
I wish bans were permanent or Tapatalk blocking was working again!
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Fatal wrote:
Ghegs wrote:Alright, let's take a breather. Image spamming, fishing for reactions and wild off-topicness ends here.
Imagine being such an illogical coward that instead of banning those running a ponzi scheme scam on a website you moderate and the puppets blindly supporting it you instead take the ball-less easy way out and censor the whistleblower exposing what’s taking place. Until now I didn’t think it was possible to be this logically backwards. Must have something to do with living in a socialist country where bringing attention to corruption will have your life line of benefits cut off.
You guys, he thinks he is a "whistleblower exposing what’s taking place" :lol: :lol: :lol:

Our white knight coming to rescue us from a ponzi scheme :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thank god for Lethal... I mean WTF... I mean Fatal :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Just got the shipping notice for my N64Digital — thanks Dan!

I sent it directly to the Turners who already have my N64 and cash deposit!
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Jeffryyyy wrote:Just got the shipping notice for my N64Digital — thanks Dan!

I sent it directly to the Turners who already have my N64 and cash deposit!
You sent you N64D to the turners place?
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FWIW, I was able to secure an N64Digital thanks to Dan’s generous offer. I requested a refund from the Turners and received it same day to help cover the cost of the N64Digital. Someone else in line can take my unit earlier than they would have otherwise, I’ve got a mod sooner, and all is well! I’m thankful to the Turners for their organizing this group buy and dealing with people kindly, even if they didn’t have to.
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Lopenator wrote:
Jeffryyyy wrote:Just got the shipping notice for my N64Digital — thanks Dan!

I sent it directly to the Turners who already have my N64 and cash deposit!
You sent you N64D to the turners place?
Not their home address, but to a PO Box
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I feel bad for the folks that haven't received their refunds from these scammers yet. I just don't understand how they treat potential customers with such utter disrespect and just have a snotty attitude overall. YouTubers like RetroRGB and MyLifeInGaming have all said to stay away from these clowns, glad PixelFX has a better product and 1000000x better customer service and they deliver when they say they would, unlike these guys.
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DinoHunter wrote:I feel bad for the folks that haven't received their refunds from these scammers yet. I just don't understand how they treat potential customers with such utter disrespect and just have a snotty attitude overall. YouTubers like RetroRGB and MyLifeInGaming have all said to stay away from these clowns, glad PixelFX has a better product and 1000000x better customer service and they deliver when they say they would, unlike these guys.
Yup
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DinoHunter wrote:I feel bad for the folks that haven't received their refunds from these scammers yet. I just don't understand how they treat potential customers with such utter disrespect and just have a snotty attitude overall. YouTubers like RetroRGB and MyLifeInGaming have all said to stay away from these clowns, glad PixelFX has a better product and 1000000x better customer service and they deliver when they say they would, unlike these guys.
Do you mind citing where/when RetroRGB and MLIG called our the Turners? Would you cite where the Turners have had a snotty attitude for their customers? They have been pleasant in every interaction I have seen. When people are calling them names and making up lies about them, they continue to maintain respect.
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sanfordseven wrote:I went through a serious battle with COVID a few weeks ago, even though vaccinated. Thankfully things turned around for me, although I’m dealing with some tough post-COVID issues including Myocarditis, fatigue, major chest pains, etc. At one point during my ordeal, trying to think humorously I imagined that my UltraHDMI kit shipped from the group buy and once I was feeling well again I could throw that bad boy into my N64 and play some WCW vs NWO with my 8 year old son, on my Sony 65” X900H TV…

Unfortunately, the 104° fever was influencing my imagination. Laughter is the best medicine.

In all seriousness, oh how I wish this group buy would have turned out more positively. I’ve been sitting on my N64 for a couple years now waiting for my prepaid kit, but I’m not sure what to think anymore. Before my COVID hit, I was scheduled to be in the Newnan, GA area and hoped that a visit might help me expedite something. Frustrating…

Does anyone have a good source for me getting my hands on a N64Digital kit since I don’t feel confident I’m gonna see this UltraHDMI kit soon. Before I die, whenever it’s my turn I hope to figure this out. Hope all of you are safe and healthy.
In case you didn't get the emails SanfordSeven, looks like it's been finished, shipped, and should make it to you Wednesday! Sorry it took so long to check for you.
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Any way to make them give me a refund, tryna file a claim as an unauthorized transaction past 180 days and these scammers don't respond
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AbnormalAdept wrote:Any way to make them give me a refund, tryna file a claim as an unauthorized transaction past 180 days and these scammers don't respond
Oh, man, someone hacked your paypal over 6 months ago and sent money to a stranger on the internet to get another notoriously unreliable stranger on the internet to develop and manufacture a product that didn't physically exist yet?

I'm sorry you got hacked, since that's the only way such a transaction could be unauthorized. Otherwise it looks like the only scammer is you, making frivolous if not fraudulent claims to a financial institution.

I hope over the past 6+ months you've learned what a group-buy is.
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skitals wrote:learned what a group-buy is.
Clearly, something no one should ever even think about being a part of.
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fernan1234 wrote:
skitals wrote:learned what a group-buy is.
Clearly, something no one should ever even think about being a part of.
Unless they fully understand the potential consequences.
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ldeveraux wrote:Unless they fully understand the potential consequences.
If you fully understand them then it's obvious you shouldn't :P
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PayPal told me to go here and report them. https://www.ic3.gov/Home/ComplaintChoice/default.aspx

Maybe I will
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AbnormalAdept wrote:PayPal told me to go here and report them. https://www.ic3.gov/Home/ComplaintChoice/default.aspx

Maybe I will
I think you should wait for your N64D, because chances of there ever being another group buy are zero.
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Just throwing this out there, I managed to snag an N64Digital so I will be cancelling my group buy. I’m currently 343 on the list. Hopefully this will one day help one other person get closer to an UltraHDMI. OP, if you read this I have sent an email confirming I have requested a refund and that you may subtract PayPal fees incurred through the refund. Thank you, and good luck to everyone moving forward.
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ldeveraux wrote:
AbnormalAdept wrote:PayPal told me to go here and report them. https://www.ic3.gov/Home/ComplaintChoice/default.aspx

Maybe I will
I think you should wait for your N64D, because chances of there ever being another group buy are zero.
Will we all get a refund ?
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Lopenator wrote:
ldeveraux wrote:
AbnormalAdept wrote:PayPal told me to go here and report them. https://www.ic3.gov/Home/ComplaintChoice/default.aspx

Maybe I will
I think you should wait for your N64D, because chances of there ever being another group buy are zero.
Will we all get a refund ?
Not everyone wants a refund
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ldeveraux wrote:
Lopenator wrote:
ldeveraux wrote:
I think you should wait for your N64D, because chances of there ever being another group buy are zero.
Will we all get a refund ?
Not everyone wants a refund
You failed to read the question correctly.

A page ago a new user came in and gave praise for such a fast and easy refund process.
Bit funny he's the only one.

Lots of new faces here...
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Syntax wrote: You failed to read the question correctly.

A page ago a new user came in and gave praise for such a fast and easy refund process.
Bit funny he's the only one.

Lots of new faces here...
This took 2 minutes of sleuthing to figure out. Said he joined the GB in August 2020. He is number 316 on the list. The brothers have had his N64 in their possession since September 2020. He had his N64D shipped directly to the Turners to have installed. Check the notes on the sheet:
"Japanese gold N64. Offered to refund the difference for N64Digital nearly-free install service. He had an N64Digital kit delivered to me directly from Pixel FX. He graciously offered to help with our tornado disaster situation by requesting only $100 USD refund instead of $159 USD. THANK YOU! Participant acquired N64Digital kit directly from Pixel FX, so we performed the discounted installation service."
This is 100% in-line with what has been stated. Not only is at all documented right there on the sheet, it is known they are trying to get all these N64 consoles out of their possession they have been holding for months/years as they have been displaced multiple times. There is nothing shady about this. Anyone who has their N64 in the Turner's possession sends them a kit to install they will gladly get the console off their hands and refund you less the install price.

For anyone that is not following along... you will not get a refund until you are on-deck at which time the Turner's will contact YOU. If they have your console in their possession you might jump the line because the Turner's are greatly burdened holding all these customer consoles for months on end and being displaced multiple times. If you scored a N64D and want the Turner's install service you might get an early refund in the course of settling that second transaction.

If you don't like any of that, don't join a group-buy they host in the future (as if). There have been many updates on the spreadsheet lately. Things continue to move along despite Lethal posting FUD under 20 different usernames.
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I think you should wait for your N64D, because chances of there ever being another group buy are zero.[/quote]
Will we all get a refund ?[/quote]Not everyone wants a refund[/quote]

I thought it was obvious that I was talking the people who wanted refunds. I guess it wasn't that obvious to you.
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I thought it was obvious that I was talking the people who wanted refunds. I guess it wasn't that obvious to you.
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Lopenator wrote:I thought it was obvious that I was talking the people who wanted refunds. I guess it wasn't that obvious to you.
"To see a list of upcoming people who he can contact/ship to he assigns them in order and then starts working his way through, eventually reassigning the kits that were refunded or switched to N64Digital.

[...]

When he gets to you he will see your cancelation request and contact you with your refund option. Sorry it’s taking so long but it’s the only way he can manage it given all that has happened."

I don't know why this is so hard for people to grasp. When your name comes up on the list they look up your emails and go over the options. If your number hasn't been called you aren't getting squat yet. The only exception is people that mailed their consoles to them early and were being stored in a tornado damaged house. They are trying to expedite getting those out of their possession because they do not have a safe place to store all of them anymore. They are working through the list and the spreadsheet has been updated almost daily this month.
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Lopenator wrote:
ldeveraux wrote:
AbnormalAdept wrote:PayPal told me to go here and report them. https://www.ic3.gov/Home/ComplaintChoice/default.aspx

Maybe I will
I think you should wait for your N64D, because chances of there ever being another group buy are zero.
Will we all get a refund ?
This is the part I'm concerned about. No worried yet. Updates to the spreadsheet and kits being installed/delivered is progress. So that rightly earns them confidence points. But will it continue to the end of the list? That's where my confidence ends.

If they had to refund everyone now, could they? Or perhaps, "how many people will the Turners have to pay Out of pocket to refund and will they be able to when that day inevitably comes?"
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I asked politely about profits. CZroe said they aren't making a profit on kits. Okay, fine. What I really want to know is how they're paying the workshop's rent if their personal finances are so dire. If they aren't making a profit on kits/installations/cables...something...then how can they pay overhead? Given their public statements about personal finances after the disaster, it doesn't seem likely they can pay out of pocket. Which gives rise to worry about misappropriation of entrusted funds (embezzlement). I'M NOT SAYING THEY DID! Maybe it's all on credit cards and loans. IDK, that's why I asked.

But since there hasn't been an answer to that question or a POF, it is time to escalate the rhetoric and spell out the concerns that require a POF to alleviate.

Asking whether or not "everyone" will get their kits is a poignant question. Another way to ask it is, are the kits being delivered to customers now being paid for with funds entrusted by customers further down the list? Unless all the money is tangable (kit on hand, ordered from Marshall, or money in an account), the answer depends upon profits OR the Turner's personal finances. If they are truly not making a profit then they will have to increase the price or the money will run out before "everyone" gets their kit. And if they raise prices, that means that everyone left on the list is subsidizing the cost of the turners business expense under false pretense. There would be an issue of misappropriation to address. I don't think anyone would have felt safe joining this GB if they knew funds were going to be used to pay rent for their workshop. Not unless they felt confident that the turners would make sufficient profit to still be in business by the time their kit would ship. And lets be honest. If they're a small business making profit, they should get a loan from a bank and sell kits already ordered or on hand.

The Turners advertised this as a pool of money to attract a purchase order. That's still their position. It was never supposed to be a small business loan. That's what banks are for.

I'm not saying anything nefarious is happening, but if entrusted funde were used to pay bills it "may" explain why they can't refund everyone now and why they can't provide POF without admitting guilt. They might have switched to a business model without telling everyone in the hopes it'd prevent making an bad situation worse (it would definitely piss people off). The way to know is if they start asking more at the point of contact. When you're up to bat they ask for $20 more before they can ship. That more is needed to include the DAC or because the final price was higher than they originally estimated. Better yet, hiding the profit margin in shipping.

This could be a legitimate extra expense or a way to cover the misappropriation. How would we know? When faced with the prospect of finally getting your kit after 2-3 years of waiting, you're more likely to agree to this seemingly reasonable request for more money.

That's pure speculation and goes away if the entrusted funds are intact. A POF would answer that question definitively. Otherwise we have to "trust" them and hope for the best, like good little sheeple. "Shhhh, good little sheeple. I'm not fleecing you!"

It's been 2 weeks and still no answer. Over a month since I first brought the topic of POF up. They're busy, I get that. It's why I set an arbitrary 1 month as a reasonable amount time for them to get it done (it's not hard, unless you don't have the money). I said by October I'll start to worry. After that a non-answer will tell a disciplined investor everything they need to know. Namely, not to touch them with a 10" pole without a lawyer present.

"Banned user" was correct in calling that a Ponzi scheme. I don't think they intended for it to turn out that way. And I'm not convinced it's happening...yet! At any point, a legitimate business can unintentionally become a Ponzi scheme. I doubt very many Ponzi scheems intended to become one from the start. They morph into one when unless one is very careful not to touch that escrow account for anything except paying Marshall. "Banned User" was a dick about it and jumped to conclusions too quickly, then went on a tantrum that got him banned. He was blowing the whistle at a wave that look like a shark fin, before getting out the binoculars to be sure. Digging in his heels when he got called out for it is what got him banned.

He was completely right to be concerned, but jumping to conclusions helps nobody! Everyone should be concerned by what "look like a shark fin." The Turners can prove they still have the money or the kits. Or they can refuse to provide POF in a reasonable period of time. After that time has elapsed people are be completely within their rights to seek a legal resolution if they still refuse to refund. Anything short of that not likely to accomplish anything (Paypal is beyond the dispute resolution window for most users. And good luck getting your credit card company to issue a charge back on a purchase from 2 years ago). Even a legal battle might not accomplish anything and cost you much more than you lost. You should be prepared to accept that money is gone and nothing can be done about it. That there will be no consequences for the Turners. The world isn't always fair.
TL;DR
1) POF shows the money is still available and proves their innocence. Or...
2) They admit to misappropriation of funds and accept the consequences (how many times in history has that happened?). Or...
3) Admit nothing. Have a hidden profit margin to pay for future kits and avoid accountability. AKA, stall...stall...stall and hope it turns out okay in the end.

Without #1, there is a high likelihood people at the end of the list will be SOL when the time comes. Or if they get the formula for #3 right, it's possible to calculate exactly how much each user will need to pay extra to pay for the remaining customer's kit/refund. Then hide the cost in shipping, DAC, or extra charge because the initial estimate was low. Some legitimate sounding reason that's not the truth. Otherwise users could see #3 is happening by posting exactly what they paid and the services selected. If that price increases over time, then we'd know. However, shipping varies according to the customer. How can you know it doesn't cost that much to ship? They can adjust their installation fee on the fly all they want (that's their prerogative). There's no way for you know they're raising the fee to subsidize future kits/refunds. They have plausible deniability.

Here's a philosophical question for you. Obviously the last 50 users will care if they get screwed because the turners go bankrupt before they get them a kit or refund. But, at the end of this, if everyone either gets a refund or a kit, will anyone care how the Turners got there? Each day that goes by without POF one is another day for them to charge Paul more to pay for John's kit/refund. If they stall long enough and get #3 right, we may never know if they dipped into entrusted funds and had to overcharge later customers to make up the difference.

In the mean time, you'll just have to sprinkle pixie dust, think happy thoughts, and fly high in ignorant bliss while getting fleeced, like good little sheeple. Or not! They could be on the Up'n Up...IDK. Only time, or a timely POF, would answer this definitively.
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I would like to be here to witness them live up to their word or not. But each time some asks for POF again, my will to stick around dwindles. Keep beating that dead horse, and no one will witness what happens to the last 50 people.
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