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 Post subject: Re: Shinybow 2840 vs Retrotek SCBV1P3
PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:40 pm 



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If anyone gets a new Fusion, try to test it on a scope. Maybe he updated the design?: https://youtu.be/c_fiL-Z_Wig


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 Post subject: Re: Shinybow 2840 vs Retrotek SCBV1P3
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:02 pm 



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So.. I’m re-arranging the retro room and finally testing out the Fusion I’m not sure if it’s the gscartsw Switch or the fusion that’s causing the problem link is below, but it seems it only happens on select games and now all that I notice.


https://youtu.be/82nAhrmOk8M

Anyone know how to fix the problem? Or can point me into the direction of the cause. Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Shinybow 2840 vs Retrotek SCBV1P3
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:04 pm 


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Go-Kyo wrote:
So.. I’m re-arranging the retro room and finally testing out the Fusion I’m not sure if it’s the gscartsw Switch or the fusion that’s causing the problem link is below, but it seems it only happens on select games and now all that I notice.


https://youtu.be/82nAhrmOk8M

Anyone know how to fix the problem? Or can point me into the direction of the cause. Thanks


Well, if it consistently happens on that intro, it should be easy to figure out if it's the Fusion by skipping the gscartsw and plugging straight into the Fusion.


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 Post subject: Re: Shinybow 2840 vs Retrotek SCBV1P3
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:12 pm 



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Yeah, seems like it’s the Fusion even with the direct connection it does it, thing is it’s not a constant seems like only on transitions in screens on some games it occurs. Looks like I’ll have to pick up the Shinybow -.-


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 Post subject: Re: Shinybow 2840 vs Retrotek SCBV1P3
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:17 pm 


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Go-Kyo wrote:
Yeah, seems like it’s the Fusion even with the direct connection it does it, thing is it’s not a constant seems like only on transitions in screens on some games it occurs. Looks like I’ll have to pick up the Shinybow -.-


Since that transition flashes an all-white screen it makes me think that the Fusion isn't properly attenuating its sync signal, and the voltage is getting too high for the display. Do you notice it on any other white or very brightly-colored screens?


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 Post subject: Re: Shinybow 2840 vs Retrotek SCBV1P3
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:50 pm 



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bobrocks95 wrote:
Go-Kyo wrote:
Yeah, seems like it’s the Fusion even with the direct connection it does it, thing is it’s not a constant seems like only on transitions in screens on some games it occurs. Looks like I’ll have to pick up the Shinybow -.-


Since that transition flashes an all-white screen it makes me think that the Fusion isn't properly attenuating its sync signal, and the voltage is getting too high for the display. Do you notice it on any other white or very brightly-colored screens?


Yep, white transitions that flash gives the same issue with other games I just tested Yoshi Island and same deal. I left the game on for a few and the areas that it will happen it’s not as pronounce as before but still slight distortion

Edit Update: So just received the Shinybow, and I’m still having those video glitches I’m not sure what it can be I launched RetroPi loaded the same game and there’s no issue. I tried different male to male RGB Scart cable that did not help. Now I’m thinking it’s the television set but I’m uncertain. On Yoshi island as I mention causes the same problem. https://youtu.be/p_g8B4rzNdo

I by passed my Scart Switch directly to the Shinybow and it still occurs, power on the Sega Genesis and popp’d In Vector man when I destroy the television sets there’s a effect that gives off a flash and I can see it there as well. Anyone know what can be the cause?


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 Post subject: Re: Shinybow 2840 vs Retrotek SCBV1P3
PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:55 am 



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retrorgb wrote:
maxtherabbit wrote:
just a thought, it would be a bit hacky and tricky, but the $50 ebay transcoder I linked should work perfectly with any resolution if you remove and bypass the sync stripper on board and only feed it CSYNC

If someone in the US has one, I can try to test it. LOL, I seem to have a history of borrowing stuff and reviewing it six months later though. I'm trying really hard to get better about that, but no promises... :)



I know this is old post but i took a chance and ordered said transcoder. After i have a go with it for a bit i dont mind shipping it out to you.


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 Post subject: Re: Shinybow 2840 vs Retrotek SCBV1P3
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:54 pm 



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Well, if nothing else, maybe post pics of the inside?


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 Post subject: Re: Shinybow 2840 vs Retrotek SCBV1P3
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:49 pm 


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retrorgb wrote:
Well, if nothing else, maybe post pics of the inside?

the inside is the outside lol - the ebay pics show the whole PCB

it's a variation of Ace's BA7230LS design


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 Post subject: Re: Shinybow 2840 vs Retrotek SCBV1P3
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:38 am 



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retrorgb wrote:
Well, if nothing else, maybe post pics of the inside?


I will post pics but yea simple board on a acrylic backplate. Lol looks like he kept the left and right rca ports from his scart version on mine. Anyway i will be testing mine tonight on my retroarch setup with crt emudriver.

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 Post subject: Re: Shinybow 2840 vs Retrotek SCBV1P3
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:08 am 



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Just saw this thread. I'm the creator of both the VGACTV1 and the SCBV1P3. The VGA version does 240p to 1080i and the SCART Version is 240p/480i only but I'm working (very slowly) on an upgrade to both and a new product that will allow either version to do 240p to 1080i and accept any kind of sync including sync-on green. Already have a protype and testing.

There is no technical faults with either product, although retrorgb disagrees with oscilloscope capture he claims but I don't see any problems on the scope. We can agree to disagree. Literally 100's of people have bought my products, almost zero returns. 100's of good reviews. But I honestly don't really care what people buy or what people think is better, I make almost no money off my products and it's more of a side hobby.


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 Post subject: Re: Shinybow 2840 vs Retrotek SCBV1P3
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:15 am 



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Fusion916 wrote:
Just saw this thread. I'm the creator of both the VGACTV1 and the SCBV1P3. The VGA version does 240p to 1080i and the SCART Version is 240p/480i only but I'm working (very slowly) on an upgrade to both and a new product that will allow either version to do 240p to 1080i and accept any kind of sync including sync-on green. Already have a protype and testing.

Is 1080i a limitation of the hardware you're using?


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 Post subject: Re: Shinybow 2840 vs Retrotek SCBV1P3
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:52 pm 



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nmalinoski wrote:
Fusion916 wrote:
Just saw this thread. I'm the creator of both the VGACTV1 and the SCBV1P3. The VGA version does 240p to 1080i and the SCART Version is 240p/480i only but I'm working (very slowly) on an upgrade to both and a new product that will allow either version to do 240p to 1080i and accept any kind of sync including sync-on green. Already have a protype and testing.

Is 1080i a limitation of the hardware you're using?


Technically there is enough analog bandwidth in the path to support 1080p, but I don't want to "claim" 1080p support because 1080p over component is not widely supported (im not sure this was ever industry standard), there is also a cable limitation, and I can't properly test it. But for sure 720p/1080i is fine though.


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 Post subject: Re: Shinybow 2840 vs Retrotek SCBV1P3
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:13 am 



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Fusion916 wrote:
nmalinoski wrote:
Fusion916 wrote:
Just saw this thread. I'm the creator of both the VGACTV1 and the SCBV1P3. The VGA version does 240p to 1080i and the SCART Version is 240p/480i only but I'm working (very slowly) on an upgrade to both and a new product that will allow either version to do 240p to 1080i and accept any kind of sync including sync-on green. Already have a protype and testing.

Is 1080i a limitation of the hardware you're using?


Technically there is enough analog bandwidth in the path to support 1080p, but I don't want to "claim" 1080p support because 1080p over component is not widely supported (im not sure this was ever industry standard), there is also a cable limitation, and I can't properly test it. But for sure 720p/1080i is fine though.

Neat! I only ask because I recently hooked up an old first-gen Xbox 360 and was surprised to see that it would do 1080p over YPbPr component, and that my equipment supports it.


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 Post subject: Re: Shinybow 2840 vs Retrotek SCBV1P3
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:46 am 



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Hoagtech wrote:
I would really like to find a component RGB transcoder that outputs at 480p.

The only problem I ran into with my CSY is that it outputs at 240p and wont allow to me use scanline generators.

LCD sets have bad luck interpreting 240p as 480 i and support 480p properly.


Would a GBS8200 or GBS8220 do the trick?
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 Post subject: Re: Shinybow 2840 vs Retrotek SCBV1P3
PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:50 pm 



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Fusion916 wrote:
Just saw this thread. I'm the creator of both the VGACTV1 and the SCBV1P3. The VGA version does 240p to 1080i and the SCART Version is 240p/480i only but I'm working (very slowly) on an upgrade to both and a new product that will allow either version to do 240p to 1080i and accept any kind of sync including sync-on green. Already have a protype and testing.

There is no technical faults with either product, although retrorgb disagrees with oscilloscope capture he claims but I don't see any problems on the scope. We can agree to disagree. Literally 100's of people have bought my products, almost zero returns. 100's of good reviews. But I honestly don't really care what people buy or what people think is better, I make almost no money off my products and it's more of a side hobby.

I emailed you about this and you never responded. I have a video coming up that compares all of these converters. I tried working with you to help improve yours, but you don't seem to think there's anything wrong with it, so I'll just include all the info in the video so people can see for themselves. This is not an "opinion". There is no "agree to disagree". Video specs are clear, as are testing methods and yous was by far the worst of all the converters we tested.

To anyone that has already purchased one: Fusion's device will NOT cause damage to your equipment. The problems will only effect the quality of the signal, or cause it to not work at all. This is not a safety issue, just a quality one. Unless these problems are fixed, I strongly recommend people buy one that's built to specs, but if you already own one and aren't having any problems, there's nothing to worry about.


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 Post subject: Re: Shinybow 2840 vs Retrotek SCBV1P3
PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:18 pm 


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the "linuxbot" ones on ebay really seem like the best value going right now - granted I've never used one :lol:

I do think they look like a reasonably good implementation based on the PCB pics and I know ace's design is solid (though I don't know how closely linuxbot followed the original design)


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