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bahamutfan64 wrote:Even though certain pins aren't connected, I don't think I've ever seen them so blatantly unsoldered like they were here. I personally would just reflow everything.

You've enabled Enhanced DVI mode, right? Without it there won't be any audio over HDMI.
Yeah, enhanced DVI is enabled, volume is 255, and mute is no. I have neither analog or digital audio.
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Hmm....could we also see photos of the rest of the board? Specifically the soldering near the AV out.
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bahamutfan64 wrote:Hmm....could we also see photos of the rest of the board? Specifically the soldering near the AV out.
Yep, here you go: https://imgur.com/a/PzymnRw
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Yeah, nothing obvious from the images...again, I would personally remove the solder and replace it with non-leaded solder just to be sure.
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bahamutfan64 wrote:Yeah, nothing obvious from the images...again, I would personally remove the solder and replace it with non-leaded solder just to be sure.
I'm beyond my element at this point with the soldering. I've finally gotten comfortable with soldering things like InfiniKeys. The WiiDual is too small for my level of comfort. I'll likely need to find another modder at this point. The modder who did this was recommended but between the delays, poor communication and these issues, I'd prefer to find someone else. :-/
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bahamutfan64 wrote:Yeah, nothing obvious from the images...again, I would personally remove the solder and replace it with non-leaded solder just to be sure.
What’s wrong with leaded solder? Usually it’s the non-leaded stuff that causes issues, and leaded solder is easier to solder too.
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The original solder is lead free, and unless you flood the pins with lead based solder you can get a bad ratio of leaded/lead free which cracks easily and sets poorly.

Personally I flood the pins and clean the lead free off where im working.
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I was able to order an extra flex cable and I have a spare Wii. Any recommendations for someone in the US/Canada who might be able to attempt to fix my issue with the current Wii and then transplant the WiiDual if no luck?

I am still very uncomfortable dealing with soldering flex cables and am worried I'll mess this up. :(
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strygo wrote:I was able to order an extra flex cable and I have a spare Wii. Any recommendations for someone in the US/Canada who might be able to attempt to fix my issue with the current Wii and then transplant the WiiDual if no luck?

I am still very uncomfortable dealing with soldering flex cables and am worried I'll mess this up. :(

This probably sounds like a dumb question, but are you using the correct model Wii? I know it says all over the mod instructions how to find one you can mod, but I don't remember anyone asking you this yet. So I just thought I would check.

As to hiring someone to deal with it, I think if it was me, I might try to contact Dan and explain the situation and ask for a recommendation. If it turns out there's something wrong with the kit, it might help to make him aware of it before you go any further, that way if you are trying to get the kit repaired or something, you can hit the ground running. Either way, he might have a good idea about who to send it to.
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vol.2 wrote:This probably sounds like a dumb question, but are you using the correct model Wii? I know it says all over the mod instructions how to find one you can mod, but I don't remember anyone asking you this yet. So I just thought I would check.
Yep - it's the black Wii with GC compatibility. The mod itself works except for audio.
vol.2 wrote:As to hiring someone to deal with it, I think if it was me, I might try to contact Dan and explain the situation and ask for a recommendation. If it turns out there's something wrong with the kit, it might help to make him aware of it before you go any further, that way if you are trying to get the kit repaired or something, you can hit the ground running. Either way, he might have a good idea about who to send it to.
The modder was one of Dan's recommendations. I've got a mail into Dan but haven't heard back.
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Has anyone found that their GCvideo OSD menu can get opened/activated when using other IR remotes for unrelated devices? In my case, using the OSSC remote (certain key press combinations that I haven’t fully determined) sometimes opens the WiiDual menu. Once the WiiDual menu is open I can use the OSSC remote’s arrow buttons to navigate and toggle GCvideo options! Not at all expected, and somewhat inconvenient when I’m trying to use both devices at the same time...
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Should I be able to use an HD Retrovision SNES component cable with my GCDual? I tried hooking it up to my 20L5 this evening, and I didn't have any luck.

OSD Analog Output YPbPr:
https://i.imgur.com/1ai3bnP.jpg

OSD Analog Output RGB/RGsB:
https://i.imgur.com/9ybutXX.jpg

This is with the PVM input set to Component. Switching to RGB just made everything green.

If the HDRV cable should work, is there some menu option I need to toggle other than Analog Output? I tried to be exhaustive, but I could have missed something.
If not, how do people typically take advantage of the RGB out on a GCDual?
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Renaissance2K wrote:Should I be able to use an HD Retrovision SNES component cable with my GCDual? I tried hooking it up to my 20L5 this evening, and I didn't have any luck.

OSD Analog Output YPbPr:
https://i.imgur.com/1ai3bnP.jpg

OSD Analog Output RGB/RGsB:
https://i.imgur.com/9ybutXX.jpg

This is with the PVM input set to Component. Switching to RGB just made everything green.

If the HDRV cable should work, is there some menu option I need to toggle other than Analog Output? I tried to be exhaustive, but I could have missed something.
If not, how do people typically take advantage of the RGB out on a GCDual?
I'm assuming that GCDual has the same menu as WiiDual. Did you change the settings from YUV to RGB? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6MVe4tuJXE&t=277s
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vol.2 wrote:I'm assuming that GCDual has the same menu as WiiDual. Did you change the settings from YUV to RGB? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6MVe4tuJXE&t=277s
The options list isn't identical, but it's pretty simiar. (This could also be due to a version difference. My GCDual was installed recently, whereas the WiiDual is a few years old at this point.)

I posted some screenshots of the output using YPbPr and either flavor of RGB. RGB is a little better - it doesn't roll, for one thing - but it's still a mess.

It is hooked through an Extron Crosspoint, so I'll try going direct to the monitor next. I didn't think the Extron's sync fussiness extended to component input, but it's worth a try anyway.
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i was just posting that in case you picked it up on ebay and didn't know how to change the settings or something.

hmmm. i don't remember hearing about the GCD and WiiD having issues with PVM RGB (works fine on mine) but sometimes PVMs have sync issues, and you might be able to solve the issue with sync on green, i forget if GCD can do sync on green, but if it can, try it.
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Figured out another detail: this only happens with 480p video, which Swiss was forcing by default. 480i video looks fine, assuming everything is configured properly.

Even connecting the HDRV cable directly to the PVM, I get the scrolling and distortion. The same happens with an SNES SCART cable from Retro Access that I had lying around, but I'm not sure if that's intended to be compatible. Both look fine with an N64Digital, though.

Is it possible to view 480p video through the Multi Out on a GameCube with GCDual, or is that Digital I/O only?
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the wiidual does, but someone else will have to answer if the GCD also does. i feel like it would have to because not having to use the digital output of the GC seems like one of the main reasons to get the mod, right? otherwise just get one of those carby things or whatever.
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Just got confirmation from Extrems on Discord that the GCDual does not work with the HD Retrovision cable for 480p analog output. I'd need to build a custom cable. Starting to look into how feasible that would be - Retro Access has a custom cable builder, after all - but I'm short on details at the moment.
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If that's the case, check with him about these cables: https://retro-access.com/collections/wii


That's where my wiidual cable came from.
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I think the big issue there is that the GameCube uses a Nintendo Multi Out for its analog video, but the GCHD Mk-II uses the Wii component connector.

The GCDual creator did make an adapter that would let you use a Wii component cable with the WiiDual, but they haven't been in stock anywhere for a while.
https://www.black-dog.tech/gcdual-wii-c ... apter.html

I'm considering reaching out to Retro Access to see if they could make a cable with a Multi Out head that incorporates that circuit, but I don't know how feasible that is.

Man, this is getting complicated...
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Unseen wrote:"Fix resolution" is enabled, additional black video data is generated to properly center the Gamecube's video signal and make sure it processed in the correct aspect ratio by the receiver and if you have enabled line doubline, every line in the video data is duplicated by GCVideo.
Oh man having the ability to disable this feature now is a GODSEND. I can finally get a full screen image on my monitor without the silly black borders that it applies when processing DTV480p signals.
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I might already know the solution to this but wanted to bring it up regardless! I've been noticing that when I use an HDMI to VGA DAC to my CRT monitor, lines of distortion will frequently flicker on screen in RGB-F and RGB-L modes. It still happens SOMETIMES in ycr444 mode but it's a lot less common.
These are the DACs I've tried:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X5KD3R9?ps ... ct_details
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0122NXEEG/ref=emc_b_5_t
https://www.amazon.com/Tendak-Converter ... B01B7CEOVK

This is the voltage inserter I use to make the latter two work (also makes the top one a little more stable):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0767NKNQ3?ps ... ct_details

The top DAC seems to have a bad habit of dropping the picture for a moment every now and then, which probably doesn't have anything to do with the wiidual. The voltage inserter does help the top one a little bit but it still happens. Putting it through a powered hdmi splitter also doesn't change this. Fix resolution and Fix Sync Timing don't have any effect on this either.

Plugging the wiidual into my A/V receiver or an HDMI switch seems to resolve the line distortion completely (although bad things still happen with the top DAC), but the former is a bit cumbersome to bring to smash tournaments! Not quite sure how an HDMI switch would resolve the problem where a voltage injector wouldn't but hey, I certainly don't mind grabbing an extra one of those. (since the one I used to test belongs to my parents)

Even though I have that solution I still just wonder what's going on in the first place. Maybe the voltage injector isn't powerful enough? That's all I could guess. I know an HDFury DAC would probably solve the issue but uh... yeah I think I'll just wait on the retro access cable I ordered before going that far. :P
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Alborix wrote:I might already know the solution to this but wanted to bring it up regardless! I've been noticing that when I use an HDMI to VGA DAC to my CRT monitor, lines of distortion will frequently flicker on screen in RGB-F and RGB-L modes. It still happens SOMETIMES in ycr444 mode but it's a lot less common.
These are the DACs I've tried:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X5KD3R9?ps ... ct_details
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0122NXEEG/ref=emc_b_5_t
https://www.amazon.com/Tendak-Converter ... B01B7CEOVK

This is the voltage inserter I use to make the latter two work (also makes the top one a little more stable):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0767NKNQ3?ps ... ct_details

The top DAC seems to have a bad habit of dropping the picture for a moment every now and then, which probably doesn't have anything to do with the wiidual. The voltage inserter does help the top one a little bit but it still happens. Putting it through a powered hdmi splitter also doesn't change this. Fix resolution and Fix Sync Timing don't have any effect on this either.

Plugging the wiidual into my A/V receiver or an HDMI switch seems to resolve the line distortion completely (although bad things still happen with the top DAC), but the former is a bit cumbersome to bring to smash tournaments! Not quite sure how an HDMI switch would resolve the problem where a voltage injector wouldn't but hey, I certainly don't mind grabbing an extra one of those. (since the one I used to test belongs to my parents)

Even though I have that solution I still just wonder what's going on in the first place. Maybe the voltage injector isn't powerful enough? That's all I could guess. I know an HDFury DAC would probably solve the issue but uh... yeah I think I'll just wait on the retro access cable I ordered before going that far. :P

https://www.amazon.com/Portta-3-5mm-Aud ... B003O55U8K

^ Definitely one of the best right here. The external PSU is needed for PS3/PS4. Does that USB powered HDMI voltage-injector thingy make the Tendak compatible with PS3/PS4?
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kitty666cats wrote:https://www.amazon.com/Portta-3-5mm-Aud ... B003O55U8K

^ Definitely one of the best right here. The external PSU is needed for PS3/PS4. Does that USB powered HDMI voltage-injector thingy make the Tendak compatible with PS3/PS4?
It should, since lacking power is part of the reason the ps3/ps4 wouldn't be compatible with the tendaks. However, I bought the DAC you linked to and... yep, it doesn't have the problem at ALL. THANK YOU, that simplifies things. @_@ The only issue I see is that it's darker in RGB-F than the others. (can't tell if it's black crush or I just need to turn up the wiidual's brightness) RGB-L looks fine though, and YCR444 actually looks the best. So I guess I'll keep it in that mode for now! At least until I get the retro-access cable...
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https://www.retrorgb.com/gcvideo-firmwa ... eased.html

New version of firmware released,

I wonder if dan will update his fork? I forget what was said about flashing the original release to his board?
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I hope he does. I have a Samsung TV and could use those fixes.
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Let's hope for an update from Dan.
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Can we use ikaris .dol for update wii dual 1.0 and 1.1?

Or we need to wait for dans update?
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You guys did read the issues on github right?
The update softens the image for some non Samsung tvs.

I'd be holding off till it's sorted.
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When the fix is out (though it's only been mentioned as affecting a TCL TV right now), does anyone know which firmware version is suitable for the Carby? Or will I have to wait for Insurrection Industries to release a build of the firmware themselves?
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