Analogue announces the Super Nt for $189 (SNES)

[Seraphic]

Feb. 2018 release

Comes in four colors for $189 plus shipping costs of $37 from what I hear.
The controller costs extra so add another $39.99 plus $200 for a SD2SNES cart.
So for about $400 you get it all.

I just wonder why the NES nt cost $500 and this cost $250 or so when you add everything together?
Anyway, I am still in for a Black one.

https://www.analogue.co/pages/super-nt/

Compatibility
- SNES cartridges, Super Famicom cartridges*
- Region Free
- Worldwide Compatibility [PSU: 100-240v, 50-60hz]
Video
- HDMI 1080p/720p/480p
- NTSC & PAL Support
- Lag free, zero signal degradation
Audio
- 48KHz 16 bit
- Digital audio via HDMI
Special Features
- Original-style SNES/SFC Controller Ports
- SD card firmware updating [via Super Nt SD card slot]
Other Features
- Scanline options
- Scaler options
- Horizontal position adjust
- Horizontal stretch
- Vertical position stretch
- & more

[RGBSource]

It's confirmed to be the work of Kevtris! Now to decide which case style to order.

[mario64]

It's confirmed to be the work of Kevtris! Now to decide which case style to order.

Super Famicom all the way!!!

[citrus3000psi]

Still wish there was an HDMI addon board I could install in to my SNES. But I'll take whatever I can get.

[Xer Xian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77uZNHvyu-Y

Super Nt is a reference quality video game system with reference quality video and audio quality.

If anyone's still not getting it - this thing has Reference. Quality.

(I would surely buy this if it could play ROMs off the SD card.. also a PC Engine core would be nice.. please?)

[Fudoh]

if it could play ROMs off the SD card..

isn't this what everybody expects it to do in the first place ?

[Seraphic]

if it could play ROMs off the SD card..

isn't this what everybody expects it to do in the first place ?

Yes, but do you think they included a msu1 chip onboard?
That is the one really nice feature the SD2SNES has.

[Fudoh]

There is no actual MSU1 chip, is there ? It's a implementation within the FPGA on the SD2SNES. If the FPGA on the Super Nt has enough gates, there's not reason why Kevtris shouldn't be able to run the "MSU1 chip" on the onboard FPGA.

[ZellSF]

This is going to be the one product in the universe that's going to be harder to get than the Super NES Classic Edition isn't it?

48Khz audio? Isn't the SNES 32Khz? Forced resampling?

[Fudoh]

48Khz audio? Isn't the SNES 32Khz? Forced resampling?

Neccessary for HDMI output. Which target device would be able to handle the raw 32khz signal ?

[Seraphic]

There is no actual MSU1 chip, is there ? It's a implementation within the FPGA on the SD2SNES. If the FPGA on the Super Nt has enough gates, there's not reason why Kevtris shouldn't be able to run the "MSU1 chip" on the onboard FPGA.

I think there is an actual MSU1 chip.
At 28:40, mylifeingaming says there is an enhancement chip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuHA3k-y6PE

[ZellSF]

48Khz audio? Isn't the SNES 32Khz? Forced resampling?

Neccessary for HDMI output. Which target device would be able to handle the raw 32khz signal ?

According to Wikipedia's HDMI page, HDMI supports 32khz just fine. Not sure which devices will accept it though.

[bobrocks95]

Incredibly glad they've dropped their luxury product BS, that was my number one complaint with what they were doing. "Aircraft grade aluminum" is marketing speak for "$300 more than it needs to be."

It would be ridiculous if they were claiming to be preserving game history and still charging $500. So this is good.

[Fudoh]

I think there is an actual MSU1 chip.

I really think it's a concept of a chip that has never produced in silicon and only exists in emulation and via FPGA, but hey, somebody please correct me, if that's wrong.

[orange808]

No 240p output?

Why?

Hide the feature and make me use the Konami Code (or something) to unlock it.

It should be there.

[cyborc]

Bummed that there's no analog RGB output like the NT. Perhaps they did this to cut costs or save FPGA resources?

[Lawfer]

"Engineered with an FPGA. No emulation. 1080p."

"No emulation", yet this is not actual (SNES) hardware, can't do 240p like actual hardware, can't do RGB Analogue output like original hardware, only HDMI and will output 480p, 720p and 1080p and there is mention of FPGA, so isn't that actually emulation?

[Harrumph]

I guess that means jwdonal can forget being able to recoup for the development of his version. Shame, cos he seems like such a nice guy (not that Kevtris isn't, ofc).

[Harrumph]

there is mention of FPGA, so isn't that actually emulation?

Not again... That topic has been beaten to death already, let's save us some space in this thread please.

[Lawfer]

there is mention of FPGA, so isn't that actually emulation?

Not again... That topic has been beaten to death already, let's save us some space in this thread please.

Nope sorry, I'd like know what I am actually buying.

No emulation.

The core functionality of the system is engineered directly into an Altera Cyclone V, a sophisticated FPGA.

Isn't that contradictory?


Unlike say the Analogue Nt and the Consolized Game Gear which use actual official hardware boards, this seems to be like the Analogue Nt Mini but for SNES games.

[citrus3000psi]

They are saying its not emulation because they don't want their device group in with all the crappy Rasp Pi style devices. This is cycle accurate emulation etc.

[Lawfer]

They are saying its not emulation because they don't want their device group in with all the crappy Rasp Pi style devices. This is cycle accurate emulation etc.

Okay I understand, makes sense, thanks for the info.

[bobrocks95]

No 240p output?

Why?

Hide the feature and make me use the Konami Code (or something) to unlock it.

It should be there.

What's your use case scenario for 240p?

[Seraphic]

Found some new information:
https://retronauts.com/article/622/the- ... ed-to-sell

"We've been working on developing just the FPGA part for 14 months, virtually 24/7," says Taber. "But it's perfect. Literally 100% perfect. We tested 100% of the library; zero issues. Nobody has made a complete FPGA SNES before. [It's] easily 10 times as complex as an FPGA NES, like the Nt mini.

"Kevin joined Analogue full time late last year. He's been working on the SNES FPGA core for the last 14 months — a mind-blowing amount of work and effort into just that single aspect of the product."

Taber admits that analog video was a necessary (if somewhat ironic) casualty of the drive to a sub-$200 price point. "Super Nt is HDMI only," he says. "No analog out. The original SNES and SFC output RGB natively and are pretty reasonably priced, so it wouldn't really be offering much [from a perservation standpoint] to incorporate analog output. It increases the price substantially, and we wouldn't have been able to keep it under $200.

"If enough people are interested in having analog out, we'll make a limited edition with one. Otherwise, it's identical to the HDMI output on the Nt mini."

[orange808]

No 240p output?

Why?

Hide the feature and make me use the Konami Code (or something) to unlock it.

It should be there.

What's your use case scenario for 240p?

I like turtles.

[Lawfer]

No 240p output?

Why?

Hide the feature and make me use the Konami Code (or something) to unlock it.

It should be there.

What's your use case scenario for 240p?

I like turtles.

You don't say! And I like 240p on CRTs.

[bobrocks95]

No 240p output?

Why?

Hide the feature and make me use the Konami Code (or something) to unlock it.

It should be there.

What's your use case scenario for 240p?

I like turtles.

Are you being sarcastic/flippant or what?

[citrus3000psi]

Is 240p even listed in the HDMI spec? I would assumed its line doubled/tripled via integer scaling.

[Lawfer]

"If enough people are interested in having analog out, we'll make a limited edition with one. Otherwise, it's identical to the HDMI output on the Nt mini."

Interesting, thanks for that, I might need to keep an eye out for that if they ever decide to do it.

Is 240p even listed in the HDMI spec?

Nah, HDMI doesn't do 240p, the lowest it can do is 480i.

[Chocograph]

Meh. I just can't. I own a 1chip and the FM and now the OSSC and yet I prefer to play retroarch on pc and my Vita. I can't.