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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:08 pm 



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Hrm, I was super excited for the CPS1 version, but that looks very precarious. I'm guessing you have no intention of a more CPS1-specific board which isn't going to jut out so far from the PCB form factor?


BTW, I tried to capture footage from my CPS2HDMI via a black magic intensity and it was completely hopeless at locking onto the signal. Do we have a list of capture solutions which support the CPS2HDMI? Including audio+video


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 10:54 am 


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fluxcore wrote:
Hrm, I was super excited for the CPS1 version, but that looks very precarious. I'm guessing you have no intention of a more CPS1-specific board which isn't going to jut out so far from the PCB form factor?
At least for pre-assembled boards it's most convenient and economical to stick with one common design even though it's not most optimal fit for CPS1/3. That's assuming majority of the buyers are installing it to CPS2, so things might change if there's suddenly a massive interest in a model optimized for CPS1.

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TW, I tried to capture footage from my CPS2HDMI via a black magic intensity and it was completely hopeless at locking onto the signal. Do we have a list of capture solutions which support the CPS2HDMI? Including audio+video
The only "non-standard" charastetistic is 59.64Hz, otherwise the output should be de-facto 1080p. Perhaps that's out of the range supported by black magic intensity which would be a bummer but hardly surprising consideríng the inflexibility of capture cards (compared to TVs/monitors).


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 7:25 pm 


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RGB wrote:
Installed my CPS2 digital AV, it works a charm!

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If anybody's looking for a solution to interface the HDMI modded CPS2 without a supergun, I started this project - https://homearcadesystem.wordpress.com/cps2ioi/

The design files and BOM are also available at OSH Park - https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/Zjf0XU71

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Do you have a part number for the through hole JAMMA connector on this board. I can't seem to find one for the life of me.
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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 9:44 pm 


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Arthrimus wrote:
Do you have a part number for the through hole JAMMA connector on this board. I can't seem to find one for the life of me.
This seems like a suitable one, but I can't confirm.


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:04 am 


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marqs wrote:
Arthrimus wrote:
Do you have a part number for the through hole JAMMA connector on this board. I can't seem to find one for the life of me.
This seems like a suitable one, but I can't confirm.

Yes that one works. Thanks for tracking it down, don't know why I was having so much trouble finding it.

Incidentally the PCB house that I used to manufacture the I/O board for me has a minimum order quantity of five copies of the PCB, so I went ahead and assembled five of the I/O boards and kick harnesses. I only need one so if anybody else wants one I have four more I/O boards and Kick Harness adapters available. PM if interested.
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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:55 am 


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Preliminary code and instructions for CPS1 installation are now in repo. Adaptation for CPS1 video is complete, as well as for YM2151 OPM. The remaining part is to figure out the best place to extract MSM6295 voice audio (which unfortunately isn't used on the board I have).

Minor changes to cps1_adapter will be made as well (there is also an option to make a L-shaped adapter PCB to prevent anything sticking outside of CPS1 A-board boundary). It should be also noted that the current adapter board can be properly mounted on certain A-board revisions only (89626A-4 and probably its DASH version too). A different adapter would be needed for 88617A revisions.


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:13 am 



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@Arthrimus, I'd like to snag one of those boards from ya. Can't PM you. Maybe it's because I'm new?


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:30 pm 



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marqs wrote:
Preliminary code and instructions for CPS1 installation are now in repo. Adaptation for CPS1 video is complete, as well as for YM2151 OPM. The remaining part is to figure out the best place to extract MSM6295 voice audio (which unfortunately isn't used on the board I have).

Minor changes to cps1_adapter will be made as well (there is also an option to make a L-shaped adapter PCB to prevent anything sticking outside of CPS1 A-board boundary). It should be also noted that the current adapter board can be properly mounted on certain A-board revisions only (89626A-4 and probably its DASH version too). A different adapter would be needed for 88617A revisions.


Nice, nice!

I'm guessing due to the way you've written this, that the clock differences between DASH and non-dash (i.e. 10MHz vs 12MHz) won't cause issues for the HDMI device?


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:43 pm 


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fluxcore wrote:
I'm guessing due to the way you've written this, that the clock differences between DASH and non-dash (i.e. 10MHz vs 12MHz) won't cause issues for the HDMI device?
The PPU clock is still 16MHz so I don't expect any difference in video timings.


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:11 pm 



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I wouldn't mind grabbing one or two of those IO and kick harnesses off you Arthrimus. Do you have any left?

Arthrimus wrote:
marqs wrote:
Arthrimus wrote:
Do you have a part number for the through hole JAMMA connector on this board. I can't seem to find one for the life of me.
This seems like a suitable one, but I can't confirm.

Yes that one works. Thanks for tracking it down, don't know why I was having so much trouble finding it.

Incidentally the PCB house that I used to manufacture the I/O board for me has a minimum order quantity of five copies of the PCB, so I went ahead and assembled five of the I/O boards and kick harnesses. I only need one so if anybody else wants one I have four more I/O boards and Kick Harness adapters available. PM if interested.
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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:36 pm 


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I'm working on my install and have a question about hooking up +5v and Ground. In the instructions they are using an unused ccx terminal. On my motherboard all of the CCX terminals are populated. Can I still just solder them up to the legs of the cap on that spot?


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
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Danexmurder wrote:
I'm working on my install and have a question about hooking up +5v and Ground. In the instructions they are using an unused ccx terminal. On my motherboard all of the CCX terminals are populated. Can I still just solder them up to the legs of the cap on that spot?
Yes, that's OK. There are also many other places to tap +5V and GND in case those are cumbersome with the caps populated.


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:21 pm 


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marqs wrote:
Danexmurder wrote:
I'm working on my install and have a question about hooking up +5v and Ground. In the instructions they are using an unused ccx terminal. On my motherboard all of the CCX terminals are populated. Can I still just solder them up to the legs of the cap on that spot?
Yes, that's OK. There are also many other places to tap +5V and GND in case those are cumbersome with the caps populated.


Thanks for the info! I almost just ran the wires to the through holes on above the Jamma edge but just ended up soldering to the legs of the capacitor. I wrapped up the rest of the soldering last night. Looking forward to putting it all back together and trying it out tonight or tomorrow. Going to install a Gelid Silent 6 fan while I've got it open.


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:23 pm 


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I finished my install and got it up and running last night! It really looks phenomenal on my 4K panel.

The only issue I ran into was that I wasn't getting audio over HDMI. Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Edit:

My jumpers are bridged and I checked continuity with a multimeter.


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
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Danexmurder wrote:
The only issue I ran into was that I wasn't getting audio over HDMI. Any suggestions?
Can you check whether analog audio still works? There was one strange case in which audio (both digital and analog) stopped working after installation which was subsequently resolved by changing coax cable to a better quality one.


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
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marqs wrote:
Danexmurder wrote:
The only issue I ran into was that I wasn't getting audio over HDMI. Any suggestions?
Can you check whether analog audio still works? There was one strange case in which audio (both digital and analog) stopped working after installation which was subsequently resolved by changing coax cable to a better quality one.


I haven't checked the analog audio yet. Good call. I'll try that out tonight and report back. If you have a source for particularly good coax cable please let me know. I just grabbed what I could find on amazon.


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
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marqs wrote:
Danexmurder wrote:
The only issue I ran into was that I wasn't getting audio over HDMI. Any suggestions?
Can you check whether analog audio still works? There was one strange case in which audio (both digital and analog) stopped working after installation which was subsequently resolved by changing coax cable to a better quality one.


I checked into the analog audio last night and can confirm that it doesn't. I have no audio at all.

This is what my Coax installation looks like.

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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
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Is the X68000 hardware similar enough to the CPS to make an internal CPS2AV type mod a possibility?


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
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Danexmurder wrote:
I checked into the analog audio last night and can confirm that it doesn't. I have no audio at all.

This is what my Coax installation looks like.
Try disconnecting the coax below oscillator and ensure that analog audio is restored. RG-174 or similar coax should be good for the mod.
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Is the X68000 hardware similar enough to the CPS to make an internal CPS2AV type mod a possibility?
The board is designed for systems with up to 16bit parallel video data and serial (I2S) audio, I'm not sure how close that is to signals you can extract from X68000 internally.


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
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marqs wrote:
Danexmurder wrote:
I checked into the analog audio last night and can confirm that it doesn't. I have no audio at all.

This is what my Coax installation looks like.
Try disconnecting the coax below oscillator and ensure that analog audio is restored. RG-174 or similar coax should be good for the mod.
xterc wrote:
Is the X68000 hardware similar enough to the CPS to make an internal CPS2AV type mod a possibility?
The board is designed for systems with up to 16bit parallel video data and serial (I2S) audio, I'm not sure how close that is to signals you can extract from X68000 internally.


I disconnected below the oscillator and can confirm audio works. I did use RG-174 but I’ve got another coax cable I can try. Should I just do that?


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
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Danexmurder wrote:
I disconnected below the oscillator and can confirm audio works. I did use RG-174 but I’ve got another coax cable I can try. Should I just do that?
Yes, you could try that, and try also to keep cable length at minimum. Can you also check where the clock trace leads on your board? If there is a buffer before some sinks, its output might be a better place to tap clock signal.


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:31 pm 


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marqs wrote:
Danexmurder wrote:
I disconnected below the oscillator and can confirm audio works. I did use RG-174 but I’ve got another coax cable I can try. Should I just do that?
Yes, you could try that, and try also to keep cable length at minimum. Can you also check where the clock trace leads on your board? If there is a buffer before some sinks, its output might be a better place to tap clock signal.


I desoldered the old RG-174 and put in some RG-316 instead. I fired it up and it worked right away. Not sure why it didn’t like the other one but that did the trick!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:50 am 


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Try using only RG59 cables for digital audio. Everything else will be slightly to completely out of spec and may introduce various issues.


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:54 pm 



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Hi,

I have one of these coming in the mail any day now. I have done some installs of other mods but usually need help with part picking and some clear videos/photos/instructions of the install. I was hoping for some kind of YouTube video showcasing an install of this but couldn't find any. Seems scouring some forums for snap shots of others finished results is all I am coming across. Is there a more detailed / descriptive overview of the install?

Also, anyone have links for the recommended cabling? I see some "RG-174" and "RG-316" on amazon but in a quantity I am sure to never use. Also ribbon cable or gauge of cable recommended for everything else.


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:42 pm 


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I installed mine this afternoon and I found the docs in GitHub pretty clear. RGB posted a complete install in another forum as well.

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I guess I'll add my own installation pic

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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
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That's a really nice install!

Do you remember where you got that ribbon cable from? What gauge it is? How about the coaxial cable? Some here seem to have better luck with some than others.


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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
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How are you guys flashing your cyclones? Ive got a usb blaster clone. Have used it on various projects successfully. The most recent was flashing an ossc. I am trying various releases of quartus that supports the cyclone 10. Im updating the blaster driver from the driver library of each release. On my win 10 pc, it blue screens whenever i open the programmer interface in quartus. On my win 7 pc, i get blue screen sometimes. Sometimes im able to get to the point of loading the jic file, but then programming fails. I tried auto detecting the jtag chain (win 7 pc) and quartus resulted in jtag chain not being found. Any help appreciated. Time for a usb blaster II?

Oh and what is maximum resistance the coax can be rated?

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 Post subject: Re: CPS2 digital AV interface
PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:03 am 


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Kavas wrote:
Do you remember where you got that ribbon cable from? What gauge it is? How about the coaxial cable? Some here seem to have better luck with some than others.


I just went to a local electronics shop and got some 28AWG ribbon cable and asked for some coax cable which can be soldered. It's marked as Emelec Q11-75 (I think it's a local Spanish brand). The cables is not too thick so it wasn't too unwieldy to solder, but seems to work fine.

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How are you guys flashing your cyclones?


Mine came pre-flashed from VGP. I guess I'll need to buy a usb blaster to flash the CPS1 fw when my second board arrives.


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Thanks hugo. I got my board from vgp. Assuming it must also be pre flashed then, but over 24 hours with the question posted on their forum on whether its pre flashed or not and no response. :/

Assuming mine is preflashed, i must be doing something wrong witht he install then. Which brings me back to my question about the coax cable. Had some 75 ohm coax on hand. Looks like coax everyones talking about here is 50 ohm. Could that be the problem?

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I am interested in trying the CPS1 branch of the project. I was looking into how to hook it up. I am confused about the audio. It appears that two I2S bus are going to the same pins of the FPGA. I have looked at the schematic, pictures, and Quartus pinout. Does audio really work if WS and BCK are tied together from the YM-2151 and the WM8782?
This is the path the signals appear to take:

OKI M6295 DAO --> WM8782 AINL/AINR
YM2151 oCM --> WM8782 MCLK
YM2151 SO --> I2S_DAT pad --> FPGA SDOUT pin 11
YM2151 oC1 --> I2S_BCK pad --> FPGA BCKO pin 22
YM2151 SH1 --> I2S_WS pad --> FPGA LRCLKO pin 10
YM2151 SH2 --> unused
WM8782 DOUT --> FPGA VSync pin 28
WM8782 BCLK--> FPGA BCKO pin 22
WM8782 LRCLK --> 74LVC112 --> FPGA LRCLKO pin 10

I am also confused what the 74LVC112 is accomplishing.
Should each audio signal have a separate pin of the FPGA?
Great work and thank you for making it open source!


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