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 Post subject: Re: Sony lmd series LCD multi-format monitors (WXGA)
PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:36 am 



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Do you know if the X550 also has a rolling scan? If those large PVMs do and if they ever become affordable I'd be all over one.


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 Post subject: Re: Sony lmd series LCD multi-format monitors (WXGA)
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:34 am 



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Could anyone with an MEU unit tell me whether the fan on the unit always stays active when the device is switched on?


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 Post subject: Re: Sony lmd series LCD multi-format monitors (WXGA)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:50 am 



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Can’t get my used MEUWX2 to display on anything. Dunno if a lemon or you genuinely need a LMD. Has anyone got one to work on another non Sony display?


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 Post subject: Re: Sony lmd series LCD multi-format monitors (WXGA)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:09 am 


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strayan wrote:
Can’t get my used MEUWX2 to display on anything. Dunno if a lemon or you genuinely need a LMD. Has anyone got one to work on another non Sony display?


Didn't Fudoh said that it works on non-LMD? Though you need a monitor which supports 1280x768, did you try with one that support 1280x768?


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 Post subject: Re: Sony lmd series LCD multi-format monitors (WXGA)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:24 am 


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As said, there's no communication channel available in the connection between the two units, so it might be down to the sink's EDID data.


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 Post subject: Re: Sony lmd series LCD multi-format monitors (WXGA)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:41 am 



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Yeah tried with a monitor that takes 1280x768 and also connected to an Extron 301HD and Crestron HD scaler (surely should work with these in the chain?).

The fan on the unit doesn’t spin up so maybe the unit has a power supply issue? Front lights come on though...


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 Post subject: Re: Sony lmd series LCD multi-format monitors (WXGA)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:15 pm 


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 Post subject: Re: Sony lmd series LCD multi-format monitors (WXGA)
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:19 pm 



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Fudoh wrote:
As said, there's no communication channel available in the connection between the two units, so it might be down to the sink's EDID data.

How does one edit EDID data of a monitor?


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 Post subject: Re: Sony lmd series LCD multi-format monitors (WXGA)
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:25 am 


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There are small EDID minder boxes which can save the edid from a connected monitor (you would need somebody with a Sony LCD to program these) and which you plug between your source and your actual monitor.

Some boxes also allow you to load up EDID files through USB or other connections.

I would try to contact somebody with a LMD/LCD setup (here on the thread?) and maybe you can try a splitter setup, where the processing unit gets connected to the Sony LCD and a generic one at the same time - to see what happens in that case and the narrow down the problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Sony lmd series LCD multi-format monitors (WXGA)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:45 pm 



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strayan wrote:
Yeah tried with a monitor that takes 1280x768 and also connected to an Extron 301HD and Crestron HD scaler (surely should work with these in the chain?).

The fan on the unit doesn’t spin up so maybe the unit has a power supply issue? Front lights come on though...

I don't hear my fan running neither but it works. Guess you need the LMD monitor...


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 Post subject: Re: Sony lmd series LCD multi-format monitors (WXGA)
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:25 pm 



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I've seen two LMD models that use 640 x 480 panels. The 1410 and the 2020 (a 14" and a 20"). Personally, these are the only two LMDs I would even consider for retro gaming.

The native res of the panel is all that matters with flat screens. The supported resolutions are only the signals they can accept (and then scale (badly) to their fixed native res).

A native 640 x 480 panel is about as ideal as flat screens get for 240p gaming. 240p games on a cga CRT were always displayed using 480 lines (240 for the image and 240 lines left blank). Even without shaders or fake "scanlines", 240p content looked nice (ish) on all the 480p panels I have seen.

I have never heard of any retro gamers reviewing the 20" 480P LMD but there is a YouTube video with someone showing the 14" with various retro games. It looks OK but not as good as on a crt.

It is worth remembering that the response to the LMD line from the pro community was so poor that Sony reopened a Trinitron crt plant. While 480i CRT tv's are still being thrown away, why bother with these for retro gaming?


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 Post subject: Re: Sony lmd series LCD multi-format monitors (WXGA)
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:20 am 



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It is worth remembering that the response to the LMD line from the pro community was so poor that Sony reopened a Trinitron crt plant. While 480i CRT tv's are still being thrown away, why bother with these for retro gaming?


I agree with you but I can see the case for using one of these for retro. They're compact (compared to a CRT of equivalent screen size), should at least have better colors than any commercial stuff, no need to settle for "almost perfect" convergence and linearity and all those other things that LCD does have over CRT, much less expensive that pro monitors nowadays. I could see myself using one if my situation didn't let me keep a fat CRT around.


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 Post subject: Re: Sony lmd series LCD multi-format monitors (WXGA)
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:55 am 



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Fudoh wrote:
There are small EDID minder boxes which can save the edid from a connected monitor (you would need somebody with a Sony LCD to program these) and which you plug between your source and your actual monitor.

Some boxes also allow you to load up EDID files through USB or other connections.

I would try to contact somebody with a LMD/LCD setup (here on the thread?) and maybe you can try a splitter setup, where the processing unit gets connected to the Sony LCD and a generic one at the same time - to see what happens in that case and the narrow down the problem.


Looks the the HD fury Dr HDMi might do the trick. Why do I get the feeling that this whole exercise is going to end up costing me several hundred dollars :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Sony lmd series LCD multi-format monitors (WXGA)
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:37 am 


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There should be rather cheap Extron DVI EDID boxes that basically do the same.


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 Post subject: Re: Sony lmd series LCD multi-format monitors (WXGA)
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:44 am 



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Fudoh wrote:
There should be rather cheap Extron DVI EDID boxes that basically do the same.


Yeah saw those... but postage to Australia is the killer.


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 Post subject: Re: Sony lmd series LCD multi-format monitors (WXGA)
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:00 pm 



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fernan1234 wrote:
Classicgamer wrote:
It is worth remembering that the response to the LMD line from the pro community was so poor that Sony reopened a Trinitron crt plant. While 480i CRT tv's are still being thrown away, why bother with these for retro gaming?


I agree with you but I can see the case for using one of these for retro. They're compact (compared to a CRT of equivalent screen size), should at least have better colors than any commercial stuff, no need to settle for "almost perfect" convergence and linearity and all those other things that LCD does have over CRT, much less expensive that pro monitors nowadays. I could see myself using one if my situation didn't let me keep a fat CRT around.


I'm not sure on how great the early LMD color fidelity was or how much it really matters for old games. You can assume that it is better than the commercial monitors of their time but I suspect that today's commercial TV's would blow them out the water.

Space limitations are the only good reason to use a flatscreen for retro gaming but, if you had to, a decent plasma or any Oled is the way to go imo. The relative affordability of decent upscalers with minimal lag changes things.

Anyway, we're all just speculating on screen we haven't seen. If anyone here has a 20" 480p (native) LMD, please share your experience.


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