Cloning the Gamecube component cable

[Lawfer]

Just an additional thought, your tests of GCVideo lite are using the Gamecube right? The Wii has worse component quality than the Gamecube - but does the Wii's lower quality originate in the process that converts the digital signal to analogue (component)? I don't know much about it, but I would imagine that this might be true (is there any other part of the signal chain that might explain this lower quality output?)

So my point is, GCvideo lite for Gamecube is not an improved analogue solution because the official component cable already has great digital-to-analogue conversion. But if the stock Wii has a worse digital-to-analogue conversion process for component, might it not be possible that in this case GCvideo lite component or VGA for Wii would produce significantly better image quality than stock component as it's conversion process is on par with that of the Gamecube?

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I forget if the difference was down to the DAC in the console or not though.

If I remember correctly, it is due to the Wii Video Chip itself (the ATI one), that's why even if you take the video directly from the digital output itself the resulting picture still isn't so great compared to other consoles.

[Extrems]

It's down to the DAC (AVE-RVL). Also, notice 480i doesn't have the analog bandwidth limiting problem.

[andykara2003]

Thanks Extrems, judging from your past posts it looks like you'd be the one to know. So that would confirm it - considering how much blurrier that 480p Wii screenshot is than the Gamecube equivalent, when i comes out, GCVideo lite for the Wii should be a nice upgrade for those using 480p with CRTs. I guess the lite's VGA output should be the same clarity as it's component?

[nmalinoski]

So my point is, GCvideo lite for Gamecube is not an improved analogue solution because the official component cable already has great digital-to-analogue conversion.

In my case, the GCVideo (lite or otherwise) would be an improved analogue solution because it's significantly cheaper and more accessible and available than the official component cable.

[andykara2003]

Of course :) I just meant on a technical level.

[leonk]

much like svideo; the days of TVs and AVRs having component input are numbered. In the future, only analog port to survive would probably be composite.

[mvsfan]

I dont really understand that. I mean, if your going to pay 2500+ for an Lg Oled, it should have some inputs besides hdmi. it should be included for that price.

but thats not the way everyone is going. before long tvs will all be hdmi only.

[nmalinoski]

I dont really understand that. I mean, if your going to pay 2500+ for an Lg Oled, it should have some inputs besides hdmi. it should be included for that price.

but thats not the way everyone is going. before long tvs will all be hdmi only.

This is already happening, because almost all modern electronics are HDMI-only; the world is moving on, so we better get started with retrofitting all the things with HDMI!

[andykara2003]

Or stockpiling CRTs..

[mvsfan]

the problem is CRTS are getting old. even if it sits in storage another 10 years, Its still going to need service.

Not to mention the main fault with sony crts.

theres 2 ics inside that start going bad after a while. then it takes a bunch of blinks of the light before it will turn on.

My sony wega needs both of these things done already. the picture is shrinking. (bad caps i think), and it takes at least 11 blinks before it turns on so i need to replace those ics.

I just keep putting off moving the thing out of my tv cabinet so i can pull the boards. I dont want to that shit is heavy.

[Einzelherz]

I would disagree solely for the fact that component can still carry HD signals so until 720p and 1080i go the way of SD I think it'll still be somewhat available. And the cost to have composite only (for universal capabilities) vs a combo board are very negligible.

[leonk]

I would disagree solely for the fact that component can still carry HD signals so until 720p and 1080i go the way of SD I think it'll still be somewhat available. And the cost to have composite only (for universal capabilities) vs a combo board are very negligible.

Wow .. 720p / 1080i .. that's soooo 2004 of you.

Most TV's sold today are 4K. How well does component support 4K?? I'm not happy component is going away .. but most people are not enthusiasts like us. They like the simplicity of 1 cheap cable that just works. TV manufacturers care about "thin as possible", "Cheap as possible" and "4K". Component doesn't help in any of these targets.

[Einzelherz]

When most cable and all broadcast signals fit over component in the year of our lord two thousand eighteen I don't care what the TVs are capable of.

[Lawfer]

I would disagree solely for the fact that component can still carry HD signals so until 720p and 1080i go the way of SD I think it'll still be somewhat available.

It can also do 1080p, though not all displays accept 1080p though component.

[leonk]

When most cable and all broadcast signals fit over component in the year of our lord two thousand eighteen I don't care what the TVs are capable of.

keep on living in a delusional world where component has any hope of survival. I'm sure praying to Jebus every night might make it so.

[andykara2003]

I suppose if you have a decent transcoder you'll never have to worry.

[bobrocks95]

Is broadcast television still getting the numbers to drive innovation these days? I think a significant portion have moved on to streaming services.

[Xer Xian]

Is broadcast television still getting the numbers to drive innovation these days? I think a significant portion have moved on to streaming services.

I have no idea, anyway don't tell the japanese..

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3127181 ... sting.html
https://www.redsharknews.com/production ... one-at-ibc

[andykara2003]

I wonder - would 8K even be detectable vs 4K on a 55 inch screen from say 6ft?

[leonk]

I wonder - would 8K even be detectable vs 4K on a 55 inch screen from say 6ft?

Since when did consumers purchase anything based on logic vs numbers? Anyone remember the megapixel race of digital cameras from a decade ago?

[ApolloBoy]

So what’s going on with these projects, I can’t seem to follow this goddamn thread anymore since it went off into so many tangents...

[Harrumph]

I wonder - would 8K even be detectable vs 4K on a 55 inch screen from say 6ft?

No. https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-si ... lationship

[tjstogy]

So what’s going on with these projects, I can’t seem to follow this goddamn thread anymore since it went off into so many tangents...

Lol exactly my feelings

[leonk]

truth is the most up-to date info is posted on twitter. So much easier to snap a picture and post now that photobucket screwed us all.

[citrus3000psi]

So what’s going on with these projects, I can’t seem to follow this goddamn thread anymore since it went off into so many tangents...

Here is my info:

GCPlug (HDMI Plug N Play Solution) - Done - Files Posted
GCMax (Analog/HDMI Plug N Solution) - Done, need to do a write up as the install is not self explanatory. On this you can not use both HDMI and analog at the same time, as the cables conflict.
GCHDMI (Internal HDMI only Solotuon) - Done - Files Posted
GCDual - Done - Selling self install and installation servies - After kits get going I will release files. I plan to start contacing people next week to get kits going (if all goes to plan)

WiiHDMI - Design scrapped as the WiiDual will work in its place. If you don't want dual, then some components can be omitted to lower the cost.
WiiDual - More testing needs to be done. - Might change design for the billionth time as I'd like it to be able to output RGB and HDMI simultaneously. The current HDMI location doesn't allow this.

Once the Gamecube is done I plan to work on Wii as my main project.
During downtime, I've been working on a 3DO RGB mod, SNES Dejitter RGB Bypass, Colecovison RGB, SDI Mod for Nuon Player.

[Lawfer]

WiiDual - More testing needs to be done. - Might change design for the billionth time as I'd like it to be able to output RGB and HDMI simultaneously. The current HDMI location doesn't allow this.

Is this related to the reason why Analogue could only do either RGB or HDMI on the Analogue Nt, but not both?

[citrus3000psi]

Is this related to the reason why Analogue could only do either RGB or HDMI on the Analogue Nt, but not both?

Pretty sure it was hardware design, like how NESRGB and HiDef Nes won't work together.

[Ikaruga11]

Apologies if I sound ignorant, but shouldn't GCDual/WiiDual be called GCTrio/WiiTrio? From my understanding, you can output three major signals: digital HDMI, analog RGB and analog YPbPr.

[nmalinoski]

Apologies if I sound ignorant, but shouldn't GCDual/WiiDual be called GCTrio/WiiTrio? From my understanding, you can output three major signals: digital HDMI, analog RGB and analog YPbPr.

My assumption was that 'Dual' refers to the ability to output both analog and digital.

[Lawfer]

Apologies if I sound ignorant, but shouldn't GCDual/WiiDual be called GCTrio/WiiTrio? From my understanding, you can output three major signals: digital HDMI, analog RGB and analog YPbPr.

My assumption was that 'Dual' refers to the ability to output both analog and digital.

Yep.