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 Post subject: Thread Split: Drakon's Modding
PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:43 am 



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Drakon wrote:
defor wrote:
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It works in a famicom. So far I've got it running just fine in a nes 2, av famicom, 1989 gpm-02 orginal famicom, and my sharp twin famicom. I like my top loaders.


Any chance you can show how you're fitting it in the twin? unless I'm mistaken, the nes board simply will not fit unless it's relocated entirely to not run into the cart slot.


Sure thing:

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Sorry about all the glue people.



didn't know that the Shmups forum allowed pics of gluey batter without making sure you were over the age of 18 to view them.

or in the words of someone else:

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...Drakon's work looks like Peter North shot his load all over it.


Anyone considering commissioning Drakon should take a look at the Video posted by Game-Tech as this is typical Drakon quality (which he does not give two F**Ks about).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... QMH-xp-WtI


Jdubs story to go with it (i linked to Skip's post this time Jdubs as its split up and easier to read):

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthrea ... ost3613998


Also I know its been linked but Phonedorks Drakon Horror story (JUST IN TIME FOR HALLOWEEN!):

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthrea ... ost3611368


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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available soon
PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:26 am 


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If your solder joints are nice and solid, you do not need massive amounts of hot glue to hold down the entire wiring. And even if you do need to secure your wiring, only use little globs each time the wires make an angle. Those wires at the top of the Twin Fami board don't even need hot glue, just solder them securely and you're fine.


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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available soon
PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:31 am 


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Yeah, "tacking" wires down is a good practice (of course you can just throw a square of electrical tape on there, as well). Not to toot my own horn, but I was pretty excited to be able to design the interface boards in UD-CPS2 to eliminate basically all hand soldering, save the power wires, which are monsters and won't be coming loose.
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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available soon
PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:19 pm 



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ApolloBoy wrote:
If your solder joints are nice and solid.


I think that's the issue. His solder joints are awful.

I should really post pictures of the NES I got from Drakon, but I've been resisting....

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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available now
PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:18 pm 


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leonk wrote:
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Honestly I use a 15$ paint removing heatgun, vice grips and thick gloves. I found a youtube video where krikzz (author of the everdrives) desolders through hole chips using pliers and a gas stove.


No disrespect but if you charge people 200$ for mods and have done a few of them, it blows my mind that you use this method to remove IC's from circuit boards. For 1/2 the cost of one of your mods, you can have a good desoldering station that will make your job twice as fast and making it look professional every time.

Using a heatgun to remove ICs is equivalent to doing fine woodworking with a chainsaw. You can do it, but it shows.


If I ever get the pleasure of meeting you in person I hope you can bring over a good desoldering station and give me a demo. I like using the best tools and methods possible.
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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available now
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:50 am 



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Drakon wrote:
If I ever get the pleasure of meeting you in person I hope you can bring over a good desoldering station and give me a demo. I like using the best tools and methods possible.


Jesus Christ, how does anyone tolerate you?

Here's some fine examples of the best methods possible, since this thread's already derailed too far.

Behold, a real commission which a real person paid real money for.
(sorry, i was told this was a commission Drakon made for somebody, removed)

Oh, and let's not forget the melted AV Famicom. I'm sure your trusty paint heat gun had something to do with this.
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Either step up your game or quit parading around like you really know what you're doing. There are countless modders that could do far better work than you and I'm sure most wouldn't even charge as much.


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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available now
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acidhammer420k wrote:
Drakon wrote:
If I ever get the pleasure of meeting you in person I hope you can bring over a good desoldering station and give me a demo. I like using the best tools and methods possible.


Jesus Christ, how does anyone tolerate you?

Here's some fine examples of the best methods possible, since this thread's already derailed too far.

Behold, a real commission which a real person paid real money for.
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Oh, and let's not forget the melted AV Famicom. I'm sure your trusty paint heat gun had something to do with this.
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Either step up your game or quit parading around like you really know what you're doing. There are countless modders that could do far better work than you and I'm sure most wouldn't even charge as much.



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Don't forget this travesty too:

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthrea ... ost3597775

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And the owner of the melted AV Famicom makes his appearance.

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthrea ... ost3611338


That first picture is not Drakon's. The GBA Genesis, although I agree looks bad, is not commissioned work. It is one of his personal projects he did for himself. Just wanted to clear that up before people start going off of assumptions or wild tangents.
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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available now
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:03 am 


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Thanks for posting the N-G.com thread, Lemony...I never did my research before when the issue of "Drakon is a dick" came up. I hope the guy gets some equipment and mends his ways (I don't mean "with liberal application of hot glue").

I wanted to echo another sentiment from the N-G thread which occurred to me while reading this thread; I think a "modding best practices" thread would be great.

Brb, researching who manufactures glue sticks for my next round of commodities trading


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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available now
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:27 pm 



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Drakon wrote:
Thanks for treating me like it is possible for me to improve. I am taking comments seriously and all future commissions I'll just tack down wires with small amounts of hot glue leaving the soldered connections open making it much easier to redo or change any work. I agree it makes more sense to tack wires down instead of covering them, it's cleaner and makes it easier to change any wiring or add components.


I seriously doubt you'll take any of these suggestions to heart. Your insistence on using a heat gun to desolder through hole parts shows that you are clearly not interested in changing your ways. I even provided links to get good quality affordable tools so you can't complain about cost despite your exorbitant fees. I can clearly see why you put that disclaimer on your website, it's so you can justify to yourself why you are committing highway robbery.

We all gave you a pass years ago when you were beginner (technically, you still are) with your excessive amounts of hot glue but not only did you not fix that problem, you seem to use even more of it. Just look at the work you did on the Twin Fami with the RGB board mounting. It looks like Peter North is making his come back. Honestly, I think the reason why you drench everything in hot glue is to make it harder for people reverse engineer your work and see what you did. With the way you talk, you make it sound like your techniques are the end all solutions. They are really nothing special and most of the time, they are ideas taken from other people.

If you want to solve the problem of dangling wires, use SHORTER wires. Shorter wires means less chance for interference right? That's something you always seem to be spouting but never quite fully understood the concept.

More importantly, you never seem to address the more damning parts of the accusations. Why don't you fully reimburse people when YOU damage their hardware? Whether it's be accident or outright negligence, it shouldn't matter. Their belongings are in your care and you are supposed to be completely responsible for it's well being. Not only is it the right thing to do, it should be the first thing to do when stuff like this happens.

Lastly, work on your attitude. You may be acting apologetic here but everywhere else, you're still mean spirited as always. We can play nice again and this will be all glue under the bridge when you can learn to treat people, especially your customers, with some respect and dignity. Customers don't always know the ins and outs of mods so if they have questions, answer it politely. They aren't asking because they are out to steal your super secret mod techniques. They just want some peace of mind and clear up any confusion about the bits of information they came across. If you truly know your stuff, explain it to people in a way they can understand and they'll come back for more. I ask my mechanic all the time what's wrong with my car when the check engine light comes. This is just for personal information and it's not like I'm going to run out and open a competing shop because I know a little. If he couldn't tell me what was wrong and how it was fixed, how could I trust with with further repairs? Sounds like he just wants to rip me off with unnecessary charges.


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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available now
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:40 pm 


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Drakon wrote:
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Thanks for posting the N-G.com thread, Lemony...I never did my research before when the issue of "Drakon is a dick" came up. I hope the guy gets some equipment and mends his ways (I don't mean "with liberal application of hot glue").

I wanted to echo another sentiment from the N-G thread which occurred to me while reading this thread; I think a "modding best practices" thread would be great.

Brb, researching who manufactures glue sticks for my next round of commodities trading


Thanks for treating me like it is possible for me to improve. I am taking comments seriously and all future commissions I'll just tack down wires with small amounts of hot glue leaving the soldered connections open making it much easier to redo or change any work. I agree it makes more sense to tack wires down instead of covering them, it's cleaner and makes it easier to change any wiring or add components.

If you're interested in making amends, there's somebody who never got properly compensated for a damaged A/V Famicom.

Don't treat us like marks here. You have a long way to go to combat this free publicity you've gathered over the years.

Once I dug a little hole for myself rep-wise on the 'net but I didn't keep digging - I got right out of it and everybody's much happier. Maybe it's not realistic at this point to expect that you can right every wrong but you certainly can stop digging in.


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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available now
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Ed Oscuro wrote:
If you're interested in making amends, there's somebody who never got properly compensated for a damaged A/V Famicom.

Don't treat us like marks here. You have a long way to go to combat this free publicity you've gathered over the years.

Once I dug a little hole for myself rep-wise on the 'net but I didn't keep digging - I got right out of it and everybody's much happier. Maybe it's not realistic at this point to expect that you can right every wrong but you certainly can stop digging in.


Last I talked to him he thanked me for the service and said everything is good. Then the bash-fest began. If he really wants more money back all he has to do is ask.
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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available now
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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available now
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Ed Oscuro wrote:
I've heard that one before.


So it's my fault when someone tells me everything is good? I don't read minds sorry.
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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available now
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Not to further the bashing, the moral of the story is: for any modder (or technician, repairman, etc.), if you don't have the money/means and willingness to totally replace what you are working on if you botch the job, don't touch it.
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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available now
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Not to further the bashing, the moral of the story is: for any modder (or technician, repairman, etc.), if you don't have the money/means and willingness to totally replace what you are working on if you botch the job, don't touch it.
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That's not bashing.
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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available now
PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:22 am 



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Drakon wrote:
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If you're interested in making amends, there's somebody who never got properly compensated for a damaged A/V Famicom.

Don't treat us like marks here. You have a long way to go to combat this free publicity you've gathered over the years.

Once I dug a little hole for myself rep-wise on the 'net but I didn't keep digging - I got right out of it and everybody's much happier. Maybe it's not realistic at this point to expect that you can right every wrong but you certainly can stop digging in.


Last I talked to him he thanked me for the service and said everything is good. Then the bash-fest began. If he really wants more money back all he has to do is ask.


I asked for MY money back for your worse-than-garbage work (full story to come with pics and video) and you denied me.

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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available now
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Have any of you guys filed PayPal claims against Drakon? I really hope some people who got swindled out of hundreds of dollars were able to get their money back that way at least.


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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available now
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Can we get a MOD in here to take all this talk of scammers, con artists, and crappy installers and move it elsewhere? It's cr*pping on an otherwise fine, once in a decade forum thread!! (I'm sorry for even trying to teach people how to desolder at this point.. but damn!)


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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available now
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jdubs wrote:
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If you're interested in making amends, there's somebody who never got properly compensated for a damaged A/V Famicom.

Don't treat us like marks here. You have a long way to go to combat this free publicity you've gathered over the years.

Once I dug a little hole for myself rep-wise on the 'net but I didn't keep digging - I got right out of it and everybody's much happier. Maybe it's not realistic at this point to expect that you can right every wrong but you certainly can stop digging in.


Last I talked to him he thanked me for the service and said everything is good. Then the bash-fest began. If he really wants more money back all he has to do is ask.


I asked for MY money back for your worse-than-garbage work (full story to come with pics and video) and you denied me.

-Jim


The system worked, you said yourself it was working. Nothing was damaged. By the time you contacted me it was probably over a year since I finished building the machine, you could have done anything to it in that time. When it was here I tested everything and it all worked for me. Very different scenario. If you need further explanation we can talk over pm.
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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available now
PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:10 pm 



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Anyone thinking about hiring Drakon to do their NES mods should look here, first:

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthrea ... ost3613904

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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available now
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Anyone thinking about hiring Drakon to do their NES mods should look here, first:

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthrea ... ost3613904

-Jim



Well, that sounded like a "worst case scenario".

Hmm..other than it coming back bashed up in a bag. Or not at all, I suppose.
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Anyone thinking about hiring Drakon to do their NES mods should look here, first:

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthrea ... ost3613904

-Jim



Well, that sounded like a "worst case scenario".

Hmm..other than it coming back bashed up in a bag. Or not at all, I suppose.


Search for anything NES RGB related on google and you'll eventually come across Drakon's posts, down to the point that it's annoying because you'll be looking for information that's actually useful, instead you'll find him clambering about nonsense. Along with those, come his terrible modding work. I'm always amazed people pay a premium for what he does. Jason at Gametech-US does a great job as do others. If you want your console modded, stay the hell away from Drakon.


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Just to pour gasoline onto the inevitable fire

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Just to pour gasoline onto the inevitable fire

Mod Work


:shock: Jesus, that's scary. This better than Fright Dome at Circus Circus.


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Search for anything...stay the hell away from Drakon.


Drakon stinks, WE GET IT!

Does this thread need to be locked, so that we can find an unpoisoned one for discussion of viletim's project?
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Search for anything...stay the hell away from Drakon.


Drakon stinks, WE GET IT!

Does this thread need to be locked, so that we can find an unpoisoned one for discussion of viletim's project?


It's quite relevant when he comes in the thread and is advertising installing it for others, not to mention he's in the 1st post, so it's on topic. I'm not trying to derail. I'm keeping it on topic of the NES RGB project.


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Pasky wrote:
It's quite relevant when he comes in the thread and is advertising installing it for others, not to mention he's in the 1st post, so it's on topic. I'm not trying to derail. I'm keeping it on topic of the NES RGB project.


I agree with this, if he is that bad and tries to advertise himself then it is perfectly on target as it is NES mod

But as an important question, are there any good european modder anyone here would recomend to do this particular mod?


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 Post subject: Re: NESRGB board available now
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Requesting Villetim edit out the links to Drakon's videos in the OP, given how problematic this has become. That should solve the problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Thread Split: Drakon's Modding
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Oh let the fun commence! :D


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