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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:00 pm 



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:23 pm 


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Sweet, does Netflix on PS3 automatically sends Eva as a 4:3? or did you activate underscan or some other option to get it to display like that?

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So it has no problem putting out 480i. Did you have to change something in the system menu?

Yep, it outputs 480i just fine!

In the display menu you select 480i and no other res

Then you select you display as 4:3

And there was another option I activated for BD playback I think, I can check exact names of options if you want.
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I use an Extron VSC 700 with a Chromecast->Tendak for this, it's sharp as a tack. If I want to watch a DVD I use a PS2 with an RGB connection.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:34 am 



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FinalBaton wrote:
Sweet, does Netflix on PS3 automatically sends Eva as a 4:3? or did you activate underscan or some other option to get it to display like that?


If the video content is in 4:3, like Eva on Netflix, and the PS3 is set to 4:3, the video will be displayed at full screen :)

One thing I still need to try on my PS3 and my JVC monitor, is 1080/24psF on blu ray movies, but I need a HDMI to HD SDI converter to do this.


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:05 pm 


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If the video content is in 4:3, like Eva on Netflix, and the PS3 is set to 4:3, the video will be displayed at full screen :)

One thing I still need to try on my PS3 and my JVC monitor, is 1080/24psF on blu ray movies, but I need a HDMI to HD SDI converter to do this.


That's pretty cool, didn't know Netflix displayed 4;3 content in 4:3 AR. I had assumed they hardcoded pillarboxes on each side to display it in a 16:9 window, which many services/BD do.
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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
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Wouldn't that increase their bandwidth use?


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:54 am 


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One thing I still need to try on my PS3 and my JVC monitor, is 1080/24psF on blu ray movies, but I need a HDMI to HD SDI converter to do this.

don't mix up 24psf with 24p. I'm pretty sure that the PS3 does not support psf (segmented frame output). 24psf in an interlaced output format (48i) that carries a fixed 2:2 pulldown. Just like accelerated PAL movies (25p) on DVDs and PAL television broadcasts (50i).

24psf was a very early attempt to bring stutterfree 24p playback to projectors that could already handle 1080i50.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:48 am 



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As always, You are right, Fudoh. Thanks for clearing this up!

Some time ago, I had a cheap HDMI to HD SDI converter. I've set the PS3 to 1080p, fired up a blu ray movie, and hooked the HDMI cable to the converter, and for a brief second "1080/24psf" poped up on the screen of the JVC, but lost sync. So I've assumed that, this could work with a proper converter.

Anyways, watching blu ray movies on a 17" 4:3 screen, is not the best idea for doing this ;)


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Hey guys, longt time lurker here. Just like to pop in to post that my 36XBR800 is dying. It's a 4:3 HD CRT. I looked it up online, and I don't really have the electronic skills to safely fix it. I may have to junk it. :/ Definitely interested in learning.


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:52 pm 


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Just checking in to see if this is on anyone's radar to play with:

http://www.decimator.com/Products/MiniConverters/12G-CROSS/12G-CROSS.html
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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
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are you interested for its SDI functionality or its HDMI to HDMI capabilities?

Most machines that are supposed to convert from or to SDI have severe problems with anything non-spec and you're likely looking at framerate conversions. Other than that the 4K HDMI to HDMI function sounds good at this price point, but without frame lock, without advertised 4:4:4 processing path and without any background on how solid the scaling engine is supposed to be, it's not worth picking one up.


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
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The Decimators are mainly aimed for people within broadcast or movie industry. Like being able to convert 4K to 2K in real-time for quick dailies during shooting. You are limited to the available outputs formats, which includes both frame rates and resolution. For regular sources like Blu-Ray players, Apple TV etc it's all to be expected. Also it can do force reversal 3:2 pulldown to remove telecinic judder with essentially flawless results when the frames are in sync.

It can process YCbCr 4:4:4 and RGB full range for HDMI. Usage is limited for consumers. I'm using one for 24p->24psf conversion and it's really great for that single purpose. HDMI<->SDI conversions are also wonderful, which isn't strange. Upscaling however is overall fairly soft and not really pretty to look at, especially not on a CRT display. Downscaling fares a bit better but don't expect any real miracles. Also it's not HDCP compilance, at least not when converting HDMI to SDI, which I guess should be expected as SDI doesn't have any encryption.


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:27 pm 


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Also it's not HDCP compilance, at least not when converting HDMI to SDI, which I guess should be expected as SDI doesn't have any encryption.

So it does output an SDI signal when the input is HDCP encrypted? That's surprising, but extremely useful - devices from well-known manufacturers are usually following the HDCP spec and refuse to output an unencrypted signal from an encrypted input.
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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
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So it does output an SDI signal when the input is HDCP encrypted?

No, not from my experience. Basically not HDCP compliant (I used the wrong term in my previous post). Not sure about the HDMI output however. I use an HDMI splitter to get around the HDCP encryption for conversion to SDI.

I don't think a device which advertises an HDCP killer feature would be suitable for any "serious" retailer to sell, as major manufacturers most likely don't want to sell their products that uses HDCP.


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https://www.vitecco.de/signalwandler-ko ... ter-su-314

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Never seen this before, pretty cool design and woulda been cool if it was more well known back in its day / wasn't 2damn expensive!
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Guys, a heads up that I will have two NEC XP 37" Pro monitors (with remotes) coming up for sale UK (East Anglia) soon.
Main post in sales forum here if interested:
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Link doesn't work for me.


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Link doesn't work for me.

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/PC-SCART-TV-RG ... Swn-tZIxE4

lol, any European posters ever see anything like this back when they were younger? This thing looks fun, I am tempted to order it...

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it's probably a 9-pin connector for CGA and EGA and Tandy grafx standard. You got a PC of this old at home? (I'd actually like to have an older PC/compatible at some point, that's be fun)
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FinalBaton wrote:
it's probably a 9-pin connector for CGA and EGA and Tandy grafx standard. You got a PC of this old at home? (I'd actually like to have an older PC/compatible at some point, that's be fun)


That's what I figured, which is why I am not gonna grab it, heh. Don't have a CGA/EGA PC kickin' around, just plain old VGA. But it's sure a fun looking lil' device!
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So yea, thinking about getting a pro monitor. Now I basically have 2 choices: The BVM-A14F5U (no RGB, but has S-Video); or the PVM-1454 (has RGB).
I know how rare the analog video card is, but considering that the BVM is the superior display, would S-Video be enough and make up the difference vs the PVM's RGB?


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So yea, thinking about getting a pro monitor. Now I basically have 2 choices: The BVM-A14F5U (no RGB, but has S-Video); or the PVM-1454 (has RGB).
I know how rare the analog video card is, but considering that the BVM is the superior display, would S-Video be enough and make up the difference vs the PVM's RGB?

One crucial data we need to know to help you is : what kind of CRT picture do you like?
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tongshadow wrote:
So yea, thinking about getting a pro monitor. Now I basically have 2 choices: The BVM-A14F5U (no RGB, but has S-Video); or the PVM-1454 (has RGB).
I know how rare the analog video card is, but considering that the BVM is the superior display, would S-Video be enough and make up the difference vs the PVM's RGB?

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FinalBaton wrote:
tongshadow wrote:
So yea, thinking about getting a pro monitor. Now I basically have 2 choices: The BVM-A14F5U (no RGB, but has S-Video); or the PVM-1454 (has RGB).
I know how rare the analog video card is, but considering that the BVM is the superior display, would S-Video be enough and make up the difference vs the PVM's RGB?

One crucial data we need to know to help you is : what kind of CRT picture do you like?

I dont have specific preferences, but I really notice bad geometry. I want to use it for 480i sources mostly.


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I dont have specific preferences, but I really notice bad geometry. I want to use it for 480i sources mostly.

That's a really important bit of info too : know that forsome people, 480i is not at it's best on monitors with really fine pitch (blanked lines too visible, are ''shaking'' on screen), most prefer a bit softer picture (softer is relative : 600 TVL like that other PVM, is still hella sharp). but some do like it on higher pitch monitors yeah

On my 20L5, 480i doesn't look nearly as good as on other lower spec'd monitors I had. not my favourite on there (but I'm a weirdo : I also think that 480p doen't look at it's best on there. because of the visible blanked lines). I like a more uniform picture for 480i. My favourite for this is : slot shadowmask tube. but my Sony consumer RGB set is ace too.

Also I gotta say : in most cases I can hardly look at S-video prsonally. It's a great signal and for consoles I don't care as much about, it is perfectly fine. But in my day to day setup I couldn'tlive with my SNES, PS1 and Genesis(I know it doesn't spit it ou natively) outputting S-video.It'd bug me knowing that I can have better coloursthan this. If you told me I could only ever use S-video on my PVM/consumer RGB crt, I'd be real unhappy.

Opinins vary tho, plenty of people have an S-video rig and are happy with that. Only you will know.

From pics I've seen, JVC seems to have implemented S-video particularly well on their prosumer and pro monitors. Doesn't look bad at all on there. But it's still no RGB.
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/PC-SCART-TV-RGB-INTERFACE-ORIGINALE-VINTAGE-non-TESTATO-in-perfetto-stato/324141874211?hash=item4b785c7c23:g:l9EAAOSwn-tZIxE4

lol, any European posters ever see anything like this back when they were younger? This thing looks fun, I am tempted to order it...


The box says "suppports CGA" in the corner. That means what it does is converts the "intensity pin" to approximate the alternative of each CGA color. The question with these things is usually how they deal with dark yellow, which is supposed to have a special circuit in the monitor to convert it to brown.

If it really does do CGA properly, then it would be kind cool, but it would also be extremely single use-case. Tandy and other 8/16 bit computers like C64, Atari ST et al use RGB and wouldn't work with it.


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vol.2 wrote:
kitty666cats wrote:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/PC-SCART-TV-RGB-INTERFACE-ORIGINALE-VINTAGE-non-TESTATO-in-perfetto-stato/324141874211?hash=item4b785c7c23:g:l9EAAOSwn-tZIxE4

lol, any European posters ever see anything like this back when they were younger? This thing looks fun, I am tempted to order it...


The box says "suppports CGA" in the corner. That means what it does is converts the "intensity pin" to approximate the alternative of each CGA color. The question with these things is usually how they deal with dark yellow, which is supposed to have a special circuit in the monitor to convert it to brown.

If it really does do CGA properly, then it would be kind cool, but it would also be extremely single use-case. Tandy and other 8/16 bit computers like C64, Atari ST et al use RGB and wouldn't work with it.


Yeah, I knew it was CGA. So I wouldn't get to have much fun with it... reminds me of what my friend and I picked up the other month: an ENORMOUS Mitsubishi TV/monitor from the 80s with EIAJ RGBI / a switch for CGA colorspaces. And a switch based on what part of the planet's polarity the TV's ass is pointing! xD He has fun stuff he could rock on it, though! Psyched for him. It's like 40 dang inches haha
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