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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 4:15 pm 



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I think I ran into that on youtube at some point, but I wasn't sure if it is any good. Has anyone here actually used one of them?


I have 2 of them! I haven't gone deep dive into it, but it's constantly in development and it's just a USB connection. I tested the gun out with their software and it worked even without making the monitor adjustments they ask to. I didn't try it in a game, but it worked in test. They have a pretty active discord too!


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yes, I have. Fantastic. I don't have on of my own yet, but a friend got one from an earlier production batch and unfortunately we did run the setup at 1080p, which causes the camera fps drop down to something under 30 the this causes a hint of lag. Later on we learned that running in 720p instead will increase the camera fps to 60 and it feels much snappier. This I couldn't try myself yet, but the original experience was great already and my friend's claiming that dropping down to 720p does indeed feel flawless.


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yes, I have. Fantastic. I don't have on of my own yet, but a friend got one from an earlier production batch and unfortunately we did run the setup at 1080p, which causes the camera fps drop down to something under 30 the this causes a hint of lag. Later on we learned that running in 720p instead will increase the camera fps to 60 and it feels much snappier. This I couldn't try myself yet, but the original experience was great already and my friend's claiming that dropping down to 720p does indeed feel flawless.


Is that 720p on the actual camera inside the lightgun, or were you having to output software to the monitor at 720p?


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That's actually a really important point. I'm not sure I would go for it if I was unable to run my projector at it's native resolution.


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I think at this moment the resolutions are locked, so PC output res = cam resolution (so you're indeed lowering your output resolution).

What games do you want to play? You can certainly leave the graphics card scaling enabled and I don't see how a lower resolution would hurt anything natively running in 240p or 480p.


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Fudoh wrote:
I think at this moment the resolutions are locked, so PC output res = cam resolution (so you're indeed lowering your output resolution).

What games do you want to play? You can certainly leave the graphics card scaling enabled and I don't see how a lower resolution would hurt anything natively running in 240p or 480p.


GPU scaling should be fine, didn't think about that- I was most interested in console interfacing with the Sinden myself so I'll have to see how that's going these days, I remember at the start it was just PS1 and I think involved a Raspberry Pi.


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Fudoh wrote:
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I tried mother russia bleed on my switch and it's the same, you don't see the floor

sounds if you're getting black crush. Switch between full and limited range RGB ouput on the PC side to see if this makes a difference. Many of the DACs require one specific setting and don't play well with the other.


Problem is, in the case of sky of arcadia, i try it with a computer with a r5 230 and it's vga out. No external dac here. For the nintendo switch, i try two dac, also try the limited range of rgb and the problem is still here. Also i know that one of these dac i used can do full range rgb as i have no problem with my other crt.
But in the case of the other crt, it's a 20f1e and as it's 240p, i downscaled with a gbs, and the gbs have an automatic brightness boost function if i remember.


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I didn't try much the higher res, but with lindy dac it recognize the monitor as iiyama hm903D/DT. I tried 1600 x 1200 and the image is very slobbery, there is two small line in 1/4 and 3/4 and some distortion in the top. Also the image is like zooming in and out slightly.

I made two photos with my phone to show you. One is with my lcd. As you can see the color of the window is a lot darker.

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Fudoh wrote:
I think at this moment the resolutions are locked, so PC output res = cam resolution (so you're indeed lowering your output resolution).

What games do you want to play? You can certainly leave the graphics card scaling enabled and I don't see how a lower resolution would hurt anything natively running in 240p or 480p.


I was thinking about both emulator stuff via the PC, in which case I guess GPU scaling does it, but I'm not sure how retroarch interacts with the system-wide GPU scaling. As long as that is possible to enact, I should be fine with that.

Unfortunately, I also would like to use it on Raspberry Pi, so it sounds like that would not be such a pleasant experience.

Still though, it's probably enough to get if I can use it on a PC. I would be playing stuff like House of the Dead and Time Crisis; you know, usual light gun stuff.


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Is there still someone making quality S-video cables for consoles?

I know Retro Access made some for a while but I don't see any on their site now...
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Is there still someone making quality S-video cables for consoles?

I know Retro Access made some for a while but I don't see any on their site now...


Which system are you looking for? Might be best to just buy the official cable.


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Which system are you looking for? Might be best to just buy the official cable.

Snes for the moment. but I might need PS1, saturn and dreamcast.
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I'm looking to hook my PS2 up to a PC CRT exclusively for (the few) 480p titles on there. Would prefer to keep an analogue signal path from console to monitor aside from any sync processing. Would a cheap RGB interface to convert from RGsB to RGBHV like an Extron 160xi or 192v be a better buy than a YPbPr/RGB transcoder, i.e. can the RGB signals be passed through an Extron without processing or degradation?

Yes, but my understanding is that Extron's RGB interfaces require clean composite sync, which unmodded PS2s do not provide. You'll need something like Ultimarc's PS2/PS3 cable, which has a built-in sync stripper and provides a DE-15 connector, which you should be able to directly connect to with RGB interfaces.


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FinalBaton wrote:
Snes for the moment. but I might need PS1, saturn and dreamcast.


Yeah, I would just go with an official cables. PS is easy because they are the same all the way down to PS3 so lots of high quality options. I'm not familiar with the SEGA stuff, but I imagine it's similar.


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ross wrote:
I'm looking to hook my PS2 up to a PC CRT exclusively for (the few) 480p titles on there. Would prefer to keep an analogue signal path from console to monitor aside from any sync processing. Would a cheap RGB interface to convert from RGsB to RGBHV like an Extron 160xi or 192v be a better buy than a YPbPr/RGB transcoder, i.e. can the RGB signals be passed through an Extron without processing or degradation?

Yes, but my understanding is that Extron's RGB interfaces require clean composite sync, which unmodded PS2s do not provide. You'll need something like Ultimarc's PS2/PS3 cable, which has a built-in sync stripper and provides a DE-15 connector, which you should be able to directly connect to with RGB interfaces.

PS dongle on the bottom - sync stripper inside, can output 15kHz RGBS or RGBHV
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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
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So, what's the actual recommended Dreamcast VGA solution these days? I'm having trouble getting OSSC settings right, and confirmed now that mine has clipping on bright colors like most Dreamcast VGA outputs, so I might want to replace my box.

BeharBros is a no-go, I don't use SCART for RGC cables, I've tried either the Retrobit or Tomee straight cables a long time ago and they were hot garbage, and Retro-Access doesn't offer a Dreamcast connector on the custom DSUB cable builder.

What else is out there?


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You can find a bunch of the period-specific VGA boxes here:

https://segaretro.org/Dreamcast_third-p ... ccessories

Personally I'd just wait for the HDRV cables or use an RGC/RAC cable. Wire the RGC/RAC cable up to a DSUB if you really must use that. You're encountering the downside of using a connector standard that the rest of the community has not standardized on.


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You can find a bunch of the period-specific VGA boxes here:

https://segaretro.org/Dreamcast_third-p ... ccessories

Personally I'd just wait for the HDRV cables or use an RGC/RAC cable. Wire the RGC/RAC cable up to a DSUB if you really must use that. You're encountering the downside of using a connector standard that the rest of the community has not standardized on.


I mean, it's literally the native output of the console... There has to be one decent option. I'd prefer to stay away from component but maybe there's some way to get that into an Extron Ars switch, eh...


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So, what's the actual recommended Dreamcast VGA solution these days? I'm having trouble getting OSSC settings right, and confirmed now that mine has clipping on bright colors like most Dreamcast VGA outputs, so I might want to replace my box.

BeharBros is a no-go, I don't use SCART for RGC cables, I've tried either the Retrobit or Tomee straight cables a long time ago and they were hot garbage, and Retro-Access doesn't offer a Dreamcast connector on the custom DSUB cable builder.

What else is out there?

I can make you a dongle that has RGBHV over DE-15 and audio over 3.5mm output. It also has a 15/31kHz resolution switch. Be advised though - you will still get the same clipping. The RGB lines being over driven is a problem endemic to the console itself, not the box.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
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So, what's the actual recommended Dreamcast VGA solution these days? I'm having trouble getting OSSC settings right, and confirmed now that mine has clipping on bright colors like most Dreamcast VGA outputs, so I might want to replace my box.

BeharBros is a no-go, I don't use SCART for RGC cables, I've tried either the Retrobit or Tomee straight cables a long time ago and they were hot garbage, and Retro-Access doesn't offer a Dreamcast connector on the custom DSUB cable builder.

What else is out there?

I can make you a dongle that has RGBHV over DE-15 and audio over 3.5mm output. It also has a 15/31kHz resolution switch. Be advised though - you will still get the same clipping. The RGB lines being over driven is a problem endemic to the console itself, not the box.


Huh, for whatever reason I thought the official box got it right, but yeah looking at old threads, if the problem is at the DAC and every cable will suffer, might as well fix it on the OSSC end with some pre-ADC and RGB gain adjustments.

I don't know if the box is causing problems with getting my sampling right on the OSSC or not. I've definitely spent a lot of time and money on fixing the wrong parts of my setup before, so I think I'm going to try routing through AV1 on the OSSC first to see if video LPF makes a difference first.
EDIT: Can't put RGBHV through a SCART socket, duh. Oh well.

Also found 2019 mention of the HDR Dreamcast cable "coming really soon" so lol on that one.


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bobrocks95 wrote:
So, what's the actual recommended Dreamcast VGA solution these days?

DC Digital with an HDMI to VGA converter. :P

* Can automatically trick 480i games into 480p;
* Can display the handful of games that don't support RGB without requiring you to apply any patches or having to downgrade to S-Video or composite;
* Doesn't force you to deal with the 480p DTV/640x480-in-a-720x480-frame BS;
* Provides IGR;
* Is entirely digital, so no image degradation (until the VGA converter) and no analogue noise floor;
* You can directly use it on any HDMI display; and
* Doesn't preclude you from using analogue AV cables like SCART or composite

Sure, it's one of the more expensive options; but it'll get you the best audio and video quality possible, and HDMI to VGA adapters don't add any perceivable lag.


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bobrocks95 wrote:
So, what's the actual recommended Dreamcast VGA solution these days?

DC Digital with an HDMI to VGA converter. :P

* Can automatically trick 480i games into 480p;
* Can display the handful of games that don't support RGB without requiring you to apply any patches or having to downgrade to S-Video or composite;
* Doesn't force you to deal with the 480p DTV/640x480-in-a-720x480-frame BS;
* Provides IGR;
* Is entirely digital, so no image degradation (until the VGA converter) and no analogue noise floor;
* You can directly use it on any HDMI display; and
* Doesn't preclude you from using analogue AV cables like SCART or composite

Sure, it's one of the more expensive options; but it'll get you the best audio and video quality possible, and HDMI to VGA adapters don't add any perceivable lag.


Eh, I don't think I play the Dreamcast anywhere near enough to justify spending $230+ on a kit + installation services. If I could install it myself I probably would pick one up.

Anyway it's not just the Dreamcast that I've had trouble dialing in perfect OSSC settings for, so in the end my VGA box might be perfectly fine.


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Eh, the HDRV dreamcast cables are late, but I think that's just a combination of them being perfectionists and the pandemic. In any event, I seem to recall Mike saying something about, getting optimal sampling for the Dreamcast was very difficult unless you had really really good cables, and a lot of the solutions out there weren't going to make the cut for that. He had said that the RGC cables were good, the HDRV ones were better, and he expects the RA ones to be in that range too.

Do you actually need HV sync? Because I was somewhat serious, why not just buy the RGC cables, desolder the SCART head (or just cut the cable), and solder it to a DE-15 connector? Or, for that matter, if you can't solder, you can even get DE-15 plugs with terminal blocks where you just stick the wires in and screw down the terminal on the wire. They cost under five bucks.


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Eh, the HDRV dreamcast cables are late, but I think that's just a combination of them being perfectionists and the pandemic. In any event, I seem to recall Mike saying something about, getting optimal sampling for the Dreamcast was very difficult unless you had really really good cables, and a lot of the solutions out there weren't going to make the cut for that. He had said that the RGC cables were good, the HDRV ones were better, and he expects the RA ones to be in that range too.

Do you actually need HV sync? Because I was somewhat serious, why not just buy the RGC cables, desolder the SCART head (or just cut the cable), and solder it to a DE-15 connector? Or, for that matter, if you can't solder, you can even get DE-15 plugs with terminal blocks where you just stick the wires in and screw down the terminal on the wire. They cost under five bucks.


If HDRV really nails it, no problem there, maybe it really is just a very tough problem to get right. And of course yes, pandemic problems aren't anything to get upset about.

Don't need HV sync, but soldering to a DSUB-15 doesn't sound like a fun time. Screw terminals wouldn't be terrible though. I think a healthy dose of not being a perfectionist might be my best option at the moment, so the sampling phase isn't perfect, oh well.


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Reducing the per channel pre-ADC gain on the OSSC fixes the overdriven video for dreamcast


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I've ordered a HDFury Gamer and a HDFury Gamer 2 (RGB) from HDFury's official website. The cables arrived today.

The HDFury Gamer is the real deal, but the Gamer 2 lacks any HDFury branding. Looking at the text blurbs on the back of the box, it mentions "HDfuse". Is that one of the knockoffs? I haven't found any information on them, save for a mention on this message board. It's strange that the official webstore would sell those.


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FinalBaton wrote:
vol.2 wrote:
Which system are you looking for? Might be best to just buy the official cable.

Snes for the moment. but I might need PS1, saturn and dreamcast.



Insurrection is going to be making at least 2 of those (the Sega consoles) if not all 3.


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Have a flatscreen Trinitron that I've RGB modded. Looks mostly good, except for the upper left corner of the screen, where the convergence is off:

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Seems worst when there is white being displayed, such as in a game's UI. It is noticable when playing. Never tweaked anything before outside of geometry in the service menu. Is this something you can use those strips for to correct?


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Is this something you can use those strips for to correct?


Probably. It's actually possible that one of the factory strips came loose inside; or not. I guess if it was mine, I would take a look at the caps in the section dealing with the raster and make sure they were all super happy as well. That's if I was serious about it being a main rig.


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Very random, but has anyone here ever done a deep-dive experiment w/ custom cables trying to get other brand consoles to display on the Waka upscan unit for PS1? I know Fudoh tried to some degree RE: his old review, but I wonder if there’s some stubborn person out there who tried to do so for an extended period, heh. I don’t own one, just find the unit interesting
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