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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:51 pm 



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Uzumaki wrote:
Ok thanks, that's good to know. But, I was wondering if there was a SCART adapter so I could plug in my HD Retrovision cables into the SCART switch. Like this: https://www.amazon.de/Scart-Svideo-Comp ... B0014HB7T6


https://www.beharbros.com/garo

or wait for this:

https://www.retrotink.com/product-page/comp2rgb


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:53 pm 



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ldeveraux wrote:
Uzumaki wrote:
Ok thanks, that's good to know. But, I was wondering if there was a SCART adapter so I could plug in my HD Retrovision cables into the SCART switch. Like this: https://www.amazon.de/Scart-Svideo-Comp ... B0014HB7T6


https://www.beharbros.com/garo

or wait for this:

https://www.retrotink.com/product-page/comp2rgb

The Garo is $85, and the COMP2RGB is $70 (and out of stock). For the specified use case, I would think these would be less desirable than a $20 to $40 SCART cable.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:15 pm 


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The garo is complete trash. It's really badly designed. Unbuffered video output and an invalid csync signal. The scanliner works by shorting the video line to ground on a timer. You'll get terrible blooming and distortion, and a lot of devices won't correctly handle its bullshit csync signal.

Ste and I made an RGB/sync bypass mod for the thing which fixes many of the worst problems (by buffering the output and using the luma sync instead of the broken csync), but guess how beharbros fixed these critical design flaws: they removed the scart connector from newly sold units, which was the only output that supported csync. Still unbuffered, still shorting video to ground.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:16 pm 



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nmalinoski wrote:
ldeveraux wrote:
Uzumaki wrote:
Ok thanks, that's good to know. But, I was wondering if there was a SCART adapter so I could plug in my HD Retrovision cables into the SCART switch. Like this: https://www.amazon.de/Scart-Svideo-Comp ... B0014HB7T6


https://www.beharbros.com/garo

or wait for this:

https://www.retrotink.com/product-page/comp2rgb

The Garo is $85, and the COMP2RGB is $70 (and out of stock). For the specified use case, I would think these would be less desirable than a $20 to $40 SCART cable.
I'm done offering alternatives anymore, he clearly has his mind made up. It's not a good solution at all, but that's what's available within his constraints.
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The garo is complete trash. It's really badly designed. Unbuffered video output and an invalid csync signal. The scanliner works by shorting the video line to ground on a timer. You'll get terrible blooming and distortion, and a lot of devices won't correctly handle its bullshit csync signal.

Ste and I made an RGB/sync bypass mod for the thing which fixes many of the worst problems (by buffering the output and using the luma sync instead of the broken csync), but guess how beharbros fixed these critical design flaws: they removed the scart connector from newly sold units, which was the only output that supported csync. Still unbuffered, still shorting video to ground.
This doesn't surprise me, the Toro wasn't great either considering the crummy cable pops out all the time. Among other things, it just wasn't the best solution


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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:29 pm 


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Uzumaki wrote:
Are there any adapters available in the US to pass component through SCART that work with the gscartsw?


Retro access custom cable builder. This cable only works on the newest version of the gscartsw. Works great, I'm surprised these adapters don't have a dedicated listing. That said I'll probably be replacing mine with a Comp2rgb when it is released. That way I'll never have to worry about selecting ypbpr ever again.

http://imgur.com/gallery/Dof1e8v

Hook it up to a signal sensing ypbpr switch and it's a beautiful thing. It's also nice not having to run component cables to my ossc.

Edit: added cable builder configuration to gallery.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:45 pm 



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Amazing. A thorough Google search reveals that plenty of people have asked for 480p settings, but no one has been able to find any.

In any case, here are two questions that I have been meaning to ask:

1) Is there any way to address lag that seems to be present? Melee on the GCN does not play quite right.

2) Scanlines. Should 480p content have scanlines? They seem to smooth over the fuzzy, jagged mess a bit. But is that really authentic to the source?


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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:10 am 


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Assuming you are talking about OSSC.. There is not really as much to tweak for 480p. x2 (960p) for a sharper image, upsample2x actually kinda softens it a bit and looks pretty nice. If you don't want the sharpness you can pass through the signal assuming your display does a decent job with 480p.

Any lag you are experiencing via OSSC is from your display. The OSSC isn't even really capable of producing meaningful amounts of lag. Use a low latency display, enable game mode.

480p content doesn't really have as compelling an argument for scanlines as 240p.. But ultimately it's personal preference. 480p on a high resolution CRT does produce small scanlines and some people like that look.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:33 am 



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Hey, Kez. ^^ I didn't realize that the post above was in submitted in this thread - it was intended for the OSSC thread, but I had this one tabbed, haha.

Thank you for the response! It's entirely possible that Melee is playing weird for me because I have logged in over a thousand hours with the latest Ultimate, and the timing for Melee is just no longer familiar to me. I will have to look into it because your explanation is sound.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
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I live down in Australia where PAL is the standard for consoles and whatnot. I'd like to get a PSOne (the smaller redesign of the PS1) to play my NTSC games on. As it stands I have two options: an NTSC PSOne, or a PAL PSOne with a onechip modchip installed. Now, a little bird told me that with the SCPH-102 PSOne, unlike older models like the 1002 or 5002, I don't need to worry about the frequency timings being slightly off with playing NTSC games on a modded PAL unit. Is this really the case, or do I need to instal an oscillator as well - or really just get an NTSC machine?


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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:20 pm 



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Chomolonzo:
Every version of the original PSX has slightly incorrect timings if you run out of region games.
What you read about only concerns the color capability when using Composite or S-Video.

The timing differences aren't normally an issue though, so just get a console in good shape and chip it.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:35 pm 


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I live down in Australia where PAL is the standard for consoles and whatnot. I'd like to get a PSOne (the smaller redesign of the PS1) to play my NTSC games on. As it stands I have two options: an NTSC PSOne, or a PAL PSOne with a onechip modchip installed. Now, a little bird told me that with the SCPH-102 PSOne, unlike older models like the 1002 or 5002, I don't need to worry about the frequency timings being slightly off with playing NTSC games on a modded PAL unit. Is this really the case, or do I need to instal an oscillator as well - or really just get an NTSC machine?


PSOne's are no different in this regard. The timings are far enough out that it can cause quite some trouble with certain HDTVs (yes even with RGB and/or a scaler), but shouldn't cause any trouble at all if you're running a CRT.
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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:16 am 


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rama wrote:
Chomolonzo:
Every version of the original PSX has slightly incorrect timings if you run out of region games.
What you read about only concerns the color capability when using Composite or S-Video.

The timing differences aren't normally an issue though, so just get a console in good shape and chip it.


Yeah I'd read about the colour capacity thing and also figured the timings would be off, but this guy commented on one of my posts and said I didn't have to worry about the latter. Not long after I posted the question here he went back on that - he'd misread. Ended up getting a boxed NTSC PSOne for a not insignificant sum, but when you're on the other side of the planet and it's a case of give me original packaging or give me death, your options are limited.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:13 pm 


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Chomolonzo wrote:
rama wrote:
Chomolonzo:
Every version of the original PSX has slightly incorrect timings if you run out of region games.
What you read about only concerns the color capability when using Composite or S-Video.

The timing differences aren't normally an issue though, so just get a console in good shape and chip it.


Yeah I'd read about the colour capacity thing and also figured the timings would be off, but this guy commented on one of my posts and said I didn't have to worry about the latter. Not long after I posted the question here he went back on that - he'd misread. Ended up getting a boxed NTSC PSOne for a not insignificant sum, but when you're on the other side of the planet and it's a case of give me original packaging or give me death, your options are limited.


Personally, I have had more issues with the PSOne (small version) and image quality than I have with the older grey units. I have had two of them that had bad electrolytics I had to replace, and neither of them have the pq of my other units. Also, they are especially sensitive to power supply issues, so, if you are going that route, I would highly recommend sticking with a stock sony power brick.

I get that a sample of (2) isn't a definitive word on the subject, but that was my experience. I'm 100% about the PSU sensitivity tho.


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vol.2 wrote:
I have had two of them that had bad electrolytics I had to replace

Oh yeah, that Composite Video coupling capacitor in each PSone is low quality.
With a sample size of about 10, I had to replace it maybe 3-4 times. It's definitely a big problem if you can't replace it.

The picture quality is okay though, I think.
RGB is a little hot / maxing out the range, and most consoles don't use the quality Y-trap circuit, but it looks fine to me overall.


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This is a stock NES (Nintendo) front-loader using decent quality composite cables, stock power supply, on a CRT.

See the S-shaped pattern (it seems to move down the screen too)? My other two NES don't do this with the same video/power cables. Ideas on where to look? I ordered a $4 cap kit for it (which it could use regardless because it's super old), but just in case there's another area I should look.

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On a similar NES subject, my other backup NES (with better video output) only likes certain controllers. These same controllers work in multiple other NES consoles. I have a pair that work, but that was like 2 out of 10 or 12 - all those others don't work on this particular NES. None of my 3x light guns work either. Any ideas?


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 Post subject: Re: Questions that do not deserve a thread
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Hi all.

Are Extron units durable?

Can I just buy , say, a used 203rxi and expect it to last many years if subjected to regular home usage?

Does it make sense to buy multiple used ones to serve as backup units?


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What's the status on premodded wiidual wiis? Been meaning to have one put together, and I'd like to replace my white wii with a black one, so I was thinking I'd buy one premodded. Haven't had any luck finding one outside of the japanese unit citrus3000's selling atm.


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Dochartaigh wrote:
This is a stock NES (Nintendo) front-loader using decent quality composite cables, stock power supply, on a CRT.

See the S-shaped pattern (it seems to move down the screen too)? My other two NES don't do this with the same video/power cables. Ideas on where to look? I ordered a $4 cap kit for it (which it could use regardless because it's super old), but just in case there's another area I should look.

Image



On a similar NES subject, my other backup NES (with better video output) only likes certain controllers. These same controllers work in multiple other NES consoles. I have a pair that work, but that was like 2 out of 10 or 12 - all those others don't work on this particular NES. None of my 3x light guns work either. Any ideas?


When I had rolling interference after my NES RGB mod I picked up a triad power supply and it stopped the interference entirely.


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I have a question about using Github to do PCB projects myself. There are a handful of projects that I would like to do but I can't figure out how to find the parts list I need to populate the board. I was thinking about doing the Virtual Tap. https://github.com/furrtek/VirtualTap Am I just missing something obvious? Thanks!


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Danexmurder wrote:
When I had rolling interference after my NES RGB mod I picked up a triad power supply and it stopped the interference entirely.


I posted on a FB retro group and they said replacing the power cap(s) on the console should fix this. The same power supply works on two other NES consoles (with the same video cable) so the power should be good – I have another couple to try though.


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https://github.com/furrtek/VirtualTap/b ... _c_BOM.csv


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oldgamer wrote:
Hi all.

Are Extron units durable?

Can I just buy , say, a used 203rxi and expect it to last many years if subjected to regular home usage?

Does it make sense to buy multiple used ones to serve as backup units?


they are fairly durable, but many of them were pulled from working environments where they saw heavy hours of use. ive had to replace the capacitors in the power supply of one unit. for me, doing that if i have to is a better solution than having lots of them.


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rama wrote:
RGB is a little hot / maxing out the range, and most consoles don't use the quality Y-trap circuit, but it looks fine to me overall.


the hot RGB signal causes my PVM to puke color to the point of subtle artifacts. maybe i just need a different cable without caps in it or something


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ldeveraux wrote:
Uzumaki wrote:
Ok thanks, that's good to know. But, I was wondering if there was a SCART adapter so I could plug in my HD Retrovision cables into the SCART switch. Like this: https://www.amazon.de/Scart-Svideo-Comp ... B0014HB7T6


https://www.beharbros.com/garo

or wait for this:

https://www.retrotink.com/product-page/comp2rgb


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Scart-Adapter- ... SwoVNaQ~aM

This worked for me for taking 4-BNC RGBS with RCA adapters out of a distribution amplifier and into a SCART to YPbPR from RetroTink


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What do people use to connect a Dreamcast to a PVM-20L5 cleanly nowadays?

Is there a single cable (SCART or DE-15 or BNC) that has all the functions of a VGA box in addition to sync combining? (The 20L5 only has one sync jack, so H and V syncs need to be combined to one wire.).
I'm kinda out of the loop on Dreamcast cables advancements. That'd be a very clean, clutter-free way of going about it, I'd love that.

I have Extron interfaces I could use, but that's another box and power cable, and that means I'd need to use the Kuro box I currently own, and that's way too much of a clutter.

In case there's no such cable : Can Extron matrixes be programmed to take in separate H and V sync, but spit out combined sync?
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FinalBaton wrote:
What do people use to connect a Dreamcast to a PVM-20L5 cleanly nowadays?

Is there a single cable (SCART or DE-15 or BNC) that has all the functions of a VGA box in addition to sync combining? (The 20L5 only has one sync jack, so H and V syncs need to be combined to one wire.).
I'm kinda out of the loop on Dreamcast cables advancements. That'd be a very clean, clutter-free way of going about it, I'd love that.

I have Extron interfaces I could use, but that's another box and power cable, and that means I'd need to use the Kuro box I currently own, and that's way too much of a clutter.

In case there's no such cable : Can Extron matrixes be programmed to take in separate H and V sync, but spit out combined sync?

citrus3000psi designed one, the upcoming HDRV dreamcast component cable would also work


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maxtherabbit wrote:
citrus3000psi designed one, the upcoming HDRV dreamcast component cable would also work


Thanks bud :) I'll check citrus3000psi's cable out.
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FinalBaton wrote:
What do people use to connect a Dreamcast to a PVM-20L5 cleanly nowadays?


I've been eying the Retro-Access all-in-one cable which has a 480i/480p switch too. That's supposed to even take the top flagging off of the image on BVM's and such (might have needed that with my 20L5's as well). That would eliminate my crappy Beharbros Toro (which I can't even use it's built-in sync combining - which is dirty, and have to use Extron RGB + SERR dipswitch instead).

Problem is Retro-Access totally sucks with availability and email communication. I believe RetroGamingCables has one too, but I was looking for the BNC version which they don't have...


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Dochartaigh wrote:

Problem is Retro-Access totally sucks with availability and email communication

yes they do, their website/ordering system is the most backward ass shit this side of the gdemu

but their products are really nice, and they are the only vendor of citrus' DC cable AFAIK


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maxtherabbit wrote:
Dochartaigh wrote:

Problem is Retro-Access totally sucks with availability and email communication

yes they do, their website/ordering system is the most backward ass shit this side of the gdemu

but their products are really nice, and they are the only vendor of citrus' DC cable AFAIK


RA's website, shipping, stock, etc are not desirable. I used to tout their SCART cables as the best, but I've had 3 solder breaks since buying ~14. Luckily I'm handy with an iron, but that really shouldn't happen. Thankfully, before I self-fixed them, they were very nice and offered to exchange them. So it's a pretty mixed bag sometimes. RGC are pretty decent, but in the UK. And they have these silly RAD2X cables that RetroRGB had a hand in.


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