XRGB-mini Framemeister

[Fudoh]

You could get your scanlines from the XRGB-3 and then the zero lag upscaling to 1080p from the Flame Meister. Am I wrong in thinking this due to potential Hz issues?

this remains to be seen. Most video processor (no matter if cheap or expensive) use unlocked output. This means the output is fixed to 50.00Hz PAL and 59.94Hz NTSC no matter what the input really is. Providing a semi-locked (XRGB-3) or 100% locked (XRGB-3 with vsync on) output is a risk and while VGA allowed for some flexibility HDMI is much more sensitive to non-standard video timings.

I'm very happy with my TV performing the upscaling from 480p to 1080p and I wouldn't use another device in between, especially since the XRGB's B1 output isn't sharp enough to provide a base for pixel-perfect scaling as the XRGB does in B0 mode.

[lalilulelo]

The XRGB-3 series is too expensive for the average consumer. A cheaper alternative to the XRGB-3, with zero lag scaling, is perfect to target people who simply want to upscale their Famicom on an HDTV. The mere fact that this device does not have RGB means that an XRGB-4 is coming.

It does have an RGB input, though.

[kamiboy]

The XRGB-3 series is too expensive for the average consumer. A cheaper alternative to the XRGB-3, with zero lag scaling, is perfect to target people who simply want to upscale their Famicom on an HDTV. The mere fact that this device does not have RGB means that an XRGB-4 is coming.

What average consumer even knows what upscaling is, let alone is willing to pay any amount of money to have it done for their old consoles? The absolute very most anyone could expect the average consumer to do for any older console is to be arsed to fetch a pair of S-Video cables for it, alas most don't even know what that is, let alone the strange ethereal world of RGB signals.

The Flame Mesiter is every bit as much a niche product targeting the enthusiasts as were the other XRGBs. More likely the Flame Meister is simply a product aimed at those enthusiasts looking to hook their consoles to their HDTV's in the best way possible. In contrast the focus of the main XRGB line, if I am not mistaken, has so far been to enable console to VGA monitor connection.

[BuckoA51]

I do agree to an extent with the above poster, but there are casual users now who are buying mid-range HDTV's only to find that they do not have the inputs for their older consoles. What usually happens then is that they go on E-bay, buy a cheap converter and find it doesn't work properly. At the right price and with some marketing a mid-range plug and play scaler could be more sucessful. Certainly, I'd hesitate to reccomend an XRGB-3, lovely though it is, to a less technically minded person regardless of their budget.

I think a lot of the more core gaming audience is still unaware of the benefits of scaling too. I see people posting pictures of big, expensive TV's connected to their older consoles without a scaler in the belief that they are getting a perfect picture. I personally don't see the point of dropping a grand or more on a TV and then not spending the extra to get the best picture quality possible for EVERY source, then again I'm going off topic now I guess.

[kamiboy]

At the right price and with some marketing a mid-range plug and play scaler could be more sucessful. Certainly, I'd hesitate to reccomend an XRGB-3, lovely though it is, to a less technically minded person regardless of their budget.

A 300 dollar magic box that somehow makes your games look better on your 1000$ TV, once you go through the trouble of securing the right cables of course, I think, is a very difficult sales proposition to someone who prolly spent $20 getting that Super Nintendo off of his local classifieds.

In that regard I fail to see even the Mesiter as a mass market product. To do that it should be truly plug and play, as in no options or buttons, and cost as much as those cheap ebay converters, in the 20-30$ range. At ten times the cost everyone but enthusiasts have jumped ship, and you can take that to your creditors missah.

[BuckoA51]

lol well yeah I'm not expecting them to sell truck-loads, just saying there could be a market for something less expensive and complicated than the XRGB-3.

[gray117]

lol well yeah I'm not expecting them to sell truck-loads, just saying there could be a market for something less expensive and complicated than the XRGB-3.

^
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20122

The truth is we're dissecting middlegrounds now; which is a legitmate tactic for suppliers - particularly in niche areas - where uptake of their products, feedback and cost are put towards the next range of products.

... as for such things being popular? Imagine if average wii owners caught onto a scalers marketing ploy of 'a way to make your wii hdmi' [ a dumb phrase I know but they will equate this to improved quality]... sure a lot of them still wouldn't bite, but if even a fraction did...

Imagine now you combined it with the phrase 'likely to reduce lag between your wii and hd display' ... etc etc...

[lalilulelo]

I wonder if it'll be able to deinterlace 480i content. The part in original post about image processing seems to suggest it might.

[Fudoh]

I wonder if it'll be able to deinterlace 480i content

that's mainly that the Marvell chipset does, so yes. I would be more worried if it can withstand NOT to try to deinterlace 240p material.

[akumajo]

more showed at Inter BEE 2010

[speedlolita]

Anywhere I can preorder then?

[ZOM]

Sorta Off-topic, but is there a shot of the right side seen in that photo? Is that the XPC-4 or a newer model?

[5tranger]

I see a Frame Meister manual, guess that's what they intended instead of flame?

[gundamalpha]

So the scart connected to the Flame Meister through 3 RCA pins? Meaning no sound?

[Fudoh]

You'd need four RCA plugs to connect a RGBs signal from Scart. It's probably 1x MiniDin or D-Terminal + 2 Audio.

[RGB32E]

Perhaps the rear HDMI input will allow for analog RGB input. Here's such a cable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-HDMI-HDTV-VGA-H ... 0652006205

It looks possible to connect a cable with >=6 mini coax conductors to a HDMI plug (at least 3 for RGB on HD15 connector + 3 on RCAs). It would be a matter of the Rx circuit to accept both?

[GaijinPunch]

The XRGB-3 series is too expensive for the average consumer. A cheaper alternative to the XRGB-3, with zero lag scaling, is perfect to target people who simply want to upscale their Famicom on an HDTV. The mere fact that this device does not have RGB means that an XRGB-4 is coming.

Maybe I'm retarded and missed something, but the link says it supports an RGB connections, as does the translation in the initial post (no)?

EDIT:
1: Someone pointed that out
2: I still don't see the connector. O_o

[darthcloud]

The XRGB-3 series is too expensive for the average consumer. A cheaper alternative to the XRGB-3, with zero lag scaling, is perfect to target people who simply want to upscale their Famicom on an HDTV. The mere fact that this device does not have RGB means that an XRGB-4 is coming.

Maybe I'm retarded and missed something, but the link says it supports an RGB connections, as does the translation in the initial post (no)?

EDIT:
1: Someone pointed that out
2: I still don't see the connector. O_o

On the last picture their is a connection diagram on the right, below the XRGB-mini you can see the adapter that will likely allow to connect an jap SCART using the front ports. With most video encoder now, any video input can be map to any type of video signal. But this I just a guess.

[brentsg]

I see a Frame Meister manual, guess that's what they intended instead of flame?

I love engrish.

I was wondering where they came up with Flame Meister.

[Rock Man]

Hopefully what will be revealed in the coming months is this devices compatibility results on how it handles Dreamcast RGB SCART to HDMI conversion for VIZIO brand Plasma TVs.

Well atleast that will be something I'm personally looking to find out. As more details become available I'll keep researching until I find anything that indicates it's viability through VIZIO HDTV's. If this product turns out as good or better than the XRGB-3 and it's cheaper to boot, it's something worth investing in.

[lalilulelo]

Has there been any new information on this like when it's going to be released and how much it will cost?

[-SD-]

I'm really interested in this device myself. I just want to upscale a Neo Geo AES to my 50" Panasonic plasma with the least amount of lag possible and a nice decent picture.

I really can't justify a DVDO Edge, so the Frame Meister seems a much better alternative.

Last Blade in HD FTW

[RGB32E]

Bump.... Any ETA for the Frame Meister's release? Is this device still on track for a Q1 2011 release?

[CrackLtd]

On the manual (picture above) its called FRAME MEISTER (not flame) which actually does make sense.

[Konsolkongen]

I can't wait to see how the Frame Meister will do as an upscaling device between a XRGB-3 and a 1080p display. I'm expecting it to do very well with total compatibility of all systems and V-sync in B1

[Fudoh]

I'm expecting it to do very well with total compatibility of all systems and V-sync in B1

can't see this happening. For enhanced compatibility with a wider range of displays you have to kiss V-Sync goodbye. I don't doubt that the FM will take the XRGB-3's B1 with activated V-sync, but I suspect that the FM's output will be decoupled to an exact 59.94Hz no matter that the input is.

[Konsolkongen]

What does that mean, stuttering or no stuttering?

[Fudoh]

In the end - stuttering.

[Konsolkongen]

I don't have any stuttering when upscaling through the Gefen. How is it different?

[Fudoh]

The Gefen scaler should keep the input refresh rate intact, at least if it's somewhere very near to 59.94Hz.
Ever tried a MVS through the Gefen ? I'm not sure if the Gefen would still pass this frequency unchanged.