XRGB-mini Framemeister

alebove · Post by **alebove** » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:06 pm

Ho guys,

What are the recommended settings to use the xrgb mini with a Saturn? Shall I just follow the 240p settings recommended on the wiki, or is there anything else?

Also, what's the best way to connect a PS2 to the mini? I have a component cable and the component to d-terminal adapter from Solaris Japan.
Is the component cable fine to deliver all type of content (240p, 480i, 480p), or shall I use scart RGB for 240p and 480i?

Thanks!

broken harbour · Post by **broken harbour** » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:07 pm

alebove wrote:Ho guys,

What are the recommended settings to use the xrgb mini with a Saturn? Shall I just follow the 240p settings recommended on the wiki, or is there anything else?

Also, what's the best way to connect a PS2 to the mini? I have a component cable and the component to d-terminal adapter from Solaris Japan.
Is the component cable fine to deliver all type of content (240p, 480i, 480p), or shall I use scart RGB for 240p and 480i?

Thanks!

240p seems to be fine with the same settings across all consoles. Tho you might have to tweak the 'sync level' setting.

I used to use scart for my PS2, but now use component so I can play the few titles that run 480p or 720p. You will notice some noise on dark-ish greys, at least I do. Not that big of a deal to me personally.

tacoguy64 · Post by **tacoguy64** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:26 am

I still have the problem where my game just darkens up a bit. I am still unsure what is causing it but i took some pictures with my camera phone.

TrendyNinja · Post by **TrendyNinja** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:43 pm

Could you not have made those images a bit smaller or perhaps linked them?

Anyway, it looks as though you maybe using retro mode.

tacoguy64 · Post by **tacoguy64** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:27 pm

Yes it is in meister mode but the game does tend to get darker at certain times. I was hoping i could catch it with my camera but i think it would be better if i recorded it instead.
Im not sure on how to make the pictures any smaller, I realized they were too big after i uploaded them.

nbart · Post by **nbart** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:08 am

New XRGB-mini user here. Just got the mini in the mail yesterday and have been using a Sega Saturn and PSOne with composite and S-video cables until my SCART cables arrive. I'm getting very noticeable rolling horizontal lines using both systems. The ones with the Saturn seem to get worse when the system starts to load a disc. I adjusted the brightness setting and that seems to help some but the lines are still there and visible.

Does anyone have any ideas what is going on?

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:49 am

Meister mode is obsolete, check the Wiki.

scottmog · Post by **scottmog** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:08 pm

nbart wrote:New XRGB-mini user here. Just got the mini in the mail yesterday and have been using a Sega Saturn and PSOne with composite and S-video cables until my SCART cables arrive. I'm getting very noticeable rolling horizontal lines using both systems. The ones with the Saturn seem to get worse when the system starts to load a disc. I adjusted the brightness setting and that seems to help some but the lines are still there and visible.

Does anyone have any ideas what is going on?

I had the same issue with my super famicom. I was using a chinese super famicom adapter. Once I bought a genuine adapter and for the hell of it a step down convertor the lines were gone.

Whitesnake · Post by **Whitesnake** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:18 pm

I have a few questions for you guys, Do Micomsoft read this forum or is anyone on this forum in touch with them directly or talking to them on twitter and are they aware of the current crop of problems with the XRGB Mini?

http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/XRGB ... f_1.07a.29

I get the impression a lot of people are purchasing the XRGB Mini and not realising it has some pretty bad issues, The slow switching between 240p/480i being one of them. Many games do this.

If someone is in contact with Micomsoft have they said whether or not they will be fixing these issues? I get the feeling that the development on the XRGB Mini firmware side might have stopped in favour of newer products.

Edward_Tz · Post by **Edward_Tz** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:25 pm

Whitesnake wrote:The slow switching between 240p/480i being one of them. Many games do this.

It's been discussed a few times. It doesn't seem to be something a firmware update would fix.

blizzz · Post by **blizzz** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:14 pm

Micomsoft is aware of the issues for a long time. The chances that they'll fix stuff are very low at this point.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:05 pm

a new FW is coming and we should at least be able to look forward to a few bug fixes. Also profiles might finally be coming...

pdcool27 · Post by **pdcool27** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:10 pm

I'm having an issue with my Sega genesis model 1 32x cd combo through composite on the xrgb mini.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLNOJ6R ... e=youtu.be

CkRtech · Post by **CkRtech** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:49 pm

Fudoh wrote:a new FW is coming and we should at least be able to look forward to a few bug fixes. Also profiles might finally be coming...

blizzz · Post by **blizzz** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:16 am

That's awesome news, Fudoh!

TheShadowRunner · Post by **TheShadowRunner** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:53 am

Yes that's super good news Fudoh

After enquiring about a potential RGB limited feature and receiving an answer litteraly instantly back in october, I was longing for an update on the matter.

austin532 · Post by **austin532** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:31 am

Fudoh wrote:Also profiles might finally be coming...

I doubt it but one can always dream.

Plus where would they be assigned to? The color buttons are already in use for Zoom. They would have to disable them with the next update.

trumpet205 · Post by **trumpet205** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:20 am

Hi guys, I need to ask those that uses Sega Saturn with XRGB-Mini. Did you notice this weird line on top right corner when playing 480i FMV (example here is Grandia):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ekc2xph6ll4b8 ... 5.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wrnrsxkaqfgew ... 2.JPG?dl=0

It shows up on the FMV before the title screen.

I did some troubleshooting and eliminated AV cable and retail discs (perfectly fine on SSF). Other 480i source like PS1 and PS2 works fine but this weird line is bugging me. I'm not sure if it is because of wrong settings on XRGB-Mini or simply my Saturn is faulty (all other Saturn games that I have (all 240p) plays just fine).

Can anyone help me troubleshooting it? If anyone knows of any Saturn games that uses 480i please let me know.

McCracAttack · Post by **McCracAttack** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:35 pm

Sorry, I know this isn't quite the right thread but I was hoping you folks could point me in the right direction. Does anyone know of english language resources for the Micomsoft XPC-4? I checked the XRGB Wiki but couldn't find any info. I'm mainly looking for menu and remote translations.

Thanks in advance.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:21 pm

Just scroll down to my review at http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/. There's a remote translation as well as link to the menu translation.

McCracAttack · Post by **McCracAttack** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:35 pm

Fudoh wrote:Just scroll down to my review at http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/. There's a remote translation as well as link to the menu translation.

Ah, found them both. Thank you very much.

RGB32E · Post by **RGB32E** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:54 pm

McCracAttack wrote:
Fudoh wrote:Just scroll down to my review at http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/. There's a remote translation as well as link to the menu translation.
Ah, found them both. Thank you very much.

There's also a thread about the XPC-4 on this forum - http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=45945

Josh128 · Post by **Josh128** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:31 am

T'would be nice if they addressed the issues on your laundry list, especially getting 240p w/ even scanlines over a 768p res.

They do that and Im buying one immediately.

Shining · Post by **Shining** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:12 am

An option to force full RGB would be nice. Setting the Mini to output "RGB" results in a color mismatch and a limited range picture on my TV. As of now i have to use the "AUTO/YUV" setting on the Mini. I also would like to have them profiles.

Zero1 · Post by **Zero1** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:21 am

Hey guys.
Has anyone experienced something I can only describe as sync drift? Let me explain.

I use my XRGB for CPS2 capture only. I have a UD CPS2 connected to the XRGB via SCART. It is running firmware 1.11 and I am using a standard SCART to DIN adapter, not the one with the sync stripper circuit in it (can't because the SCART cable I use does not have the signal pins connected and so cannot power the sync stripper circuit. I can use another cable, but I'd prefer to use this one as it is the best quality).

The setup works perfectly ordinarily, but since I record tournaments with this setup, it can be running for 5 hours solid easy. I noticed just after about 2 hours that I started to get sync errors, where I'd get a little bit of glitching at the VS screen on Super SF2 Turbo, and it seemed to get a little worse as time went on.

I happened to take a break for about 5 minutes to go and get a drink and when I came back the recording had gone tits up. It was glitching really badly, but it wasn't a sync kind of glitch - it was some kind of video encoding error where frames were being repeated/shown out of order which looked like the sync had caused the capture card to lose sync and freak out. That said this happened while I was away and as I was editing the video, I noticed my friend walk behind to the stream setup (as we had player cams set up) and shortly after it screwed up, so it could have been something he did - knocked the HDMI cable loose or did something on the laptop which caused excess load. Of course he denied everything

So, has anyone experienced this kind of sync issue that isn't present to begin with but creeps in and gets progressively worse, and for those of you that capture, have sync issues ever caused your capture devices to mess up?

Are there any externally powered sync splitters on the market? I want something that will have minimal impact on quality, so something like the XRGB SCART to DIN cable with a DC power supply mod would probably do for me.

Thanks.

broken harbour · Post by **broken harbour** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:53 pm

Both my PS1 and N64 on scart will be rock solid for hours and then will drop sync every 2 minutes for maybe... half an hour, and then go back to rock solid again. Sometimes resetting sync mode helps, sometimes doesn't.

TheShadowRunner · Post by **TheShadowRunner** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:19 pm

Shining wrote:An option to force full RGB would be nice. Setting the Mini to output "RGB" results in a color mismatch and a limited range picture on my TV. As of now i have to use the "AUTO/YUV" setting on the Mini. I also would like to have them profiles.

Wait what..

The Mini already does send 'RGB full' whenever it's outputting RGB, regardless of the display (HDTV, PC monitor etc..).

Shifted · Post by **Shifted** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:29 am

Could someone explain or point to a site that explains the different modes like "Under", "Normal2", "LB", "LB2" "GAME_LB1" and "GAME_LB2" modes? I think I know what X1 and X2 do because of the Wiki but I am not really sure what the others do exactly. They appear to be different levels of Zoom. "Under" mode for instance. Is that actually showing 960 lines when the Framemeister is outputting 1080p which seems like it would be better to use for scaling 240p content?

Thanks.

alebove · Post by **alebove** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:32 pm

Hi everyone,

I have a question in regards to PS1 classics on PS3 via component cable (rather than HDMI), what kind of resolution can these be output to?
As far as I know the PS3 can output in 480i/480p (and 576i/576p in PAL), but if you boot a PS1 classic (digital version, bought from PSN) does it look decent with the Xmini?

I've seen that there are various games on the Japanese PS Store that are really cheap compared to buying them on disc (617 Yen).

Cheers!

MartijnK · Post by **MartijnK** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:12 pm

Good question! I was thinking about this too. I have a pal ps3, but with a US account for the ps1 classics and hope that it will be possible to play us/japanese ps1 games from disc or psn with the same quality as playing them on a original ntsc ps1.
I do remember somebody mentioning here that playing ps1 games from psn via the xrgb gives too much lag.

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