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New 4:3 lcd's in production

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Arcooda has recently been producing 4:3 panels and I'm wondering if anyone has any more information on them?

Currently they're 1600x1200 with support of 1080p and input for RGB, VGA and hdmi.
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I’m hoping someone gets their hands on the 13.3 inch 2048 x 1536 OLED in the Lenovo X1 Fold and does something interesting with it.
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Sweet, I found this on their website:
All monitors are specifically designed for arcade, and will include metal frame, mounting brackets, separate monitor control board, VGA/HDMI inputs. Depending on the model we will also include low resolution inputs such as 15khz, as well as higher end gaming products up to 4K.
I think most people here know but 15khz is what you need for the horizontal sync to use 240p/480i and PAL equivalent. Thus it will take 240p RGB, hopefully with composite sync and separate H+V. I never heard of an LCD that didn't line double interlaced, but in modern times, maybe the process is on par with any expensive retro device.

All I saw on the 3 distributor websites were constructed arcade machines presumably using their monitors. Cannot buy separately. If we had an idea on price points and minimum quantity order, maybe a US or European buying group can come together.

That said, I bought a 20" 4:3 LCD TV from local thrift store for $36 that takes RF, Composite, S-Video, Component, VGA + 3.5mm audio and stereo sound. I'd be more interested in a new 4:3 Plasma with rectangular pixels.
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What are the chances it has a strobing backlight to get decent motion clarity? Zero?
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You can see the details for yourself:

https://www.arcooda.com/accessories/arc ... e-monitor/

Comes on a mounting frame, power/VGA/HDMI, and a socket to connect the input control board to. LG panel, 1600x1200, 300 nit peak brightness, 800:1 contrast ratio, 6.5ms response time (rather slow), 89°/ 178° viewing angles, 2 year warranty. Does not support RGBS, analog input is RGBHV only. MSRP of $249 USD, minimum order quantity 10 units (presumably at less than $249), and the only distributors (who might sell a single unit) are in Australia and China.

1600x1200 max resolution, 1080p support is not mentioned anywhere so I assume they don't actually support that. Maybe you're confusing it with the other monitor they sell, a 32" 16:9.

If there was sufficient interest, I might investigate making an order to carry them on my store, but I'm not sure that there'd be enough interest in North America to sell 10 of them, and they're much larger than any of the shipping supplies I use for HD Retrovision and RetroTINK products.
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BazookaBen wrote:What are the chances it has a strobing backlight to get decent motion clarity? Zero?
Yes, zero. No one seems to care about such an important thing, and much less about single strobing @ 60hz that is needed for the vast majority of game and video content in existence which is (or targets) 60fps of ~30fps.
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This is going to be way better than the awkward 780p/1080p 16:9 displays that get used instead.
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Guspaz wrote:You can see the details for yourself:

https://www.arcooda.com/accessories/arc ... e-monitor/

Comes on a mounting frame, power/VGA/HDMI, and a socket to connect the input control board to. LG panel, 1600x1200, 300 nit peak brightness, 800:1 contrast ratio, 6.5ms response time (rather slow), 89°/ 178° viewing angles, 2 year warranty. Does not support RGBS, analog input is RGBHV only. MSRP of $249 USD, minimum order quantity 10 units (presumably at less than $249), and the only distributors (who might sell a single unit) are in Australia and China.

1600x1200 max resolution, 1080p support is not mentioned anywhere so I assume they don't actually support that. Maybe you're confusing it with the other monitor they sell, a 32" 16:9.

If there was sufficient interest, I might investigate making an order to carry them on my store, but I'm not sure that there'd be enough interest in North America to sell 10 of them, and they're much larger than any of the shipping supplies I use for HD Retrovision and RetroTINK products.
I didn't know you had a store. Don't even put it in your signature, can respect not being here for self-promotion.

Aha, I didn't bother to look at accessories section. Used to television shopping. Really does quote me at $249 USD on their website. I'd be excited at $249 AUD for a full 60k hours versus a used monitor with who knows how much life left.

Not sure if 89° H is good or bad for arcade use. The 800:1 and 300 nits are solid for 4:3 but I see endless used 16:9 with 1000:1 / 300. Still would think this superior to 16:9 due to that ratio's 20" being boxed into effective 15" to fit a 4:3.

Modern MSI gaming monitor that I got from Costco, just to compare, was just over $200 for 27" 16:9, 3000:1 contrast ratio (100 million DCR), 250 nits, 178° H / 178° V and 1 ms response time. DP and HDMI with headphone out jack.

I think the Arcooda monitor, if it could take RGBS to open up the retro console market, could sell at least 10. Wave the RETRO GAMING flag, 3/8th of a frame input lag and see if it has superior specs to the 17" and 19" 5:4 Arcade 1Up / AtGames / iiRcade stock monitors. 5:4, what do they just bulk order the P1917S from dell.com without the stand?
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fernan1234 wrote:
BazookaBen wrote:What are the chances it has a strobing backlight to get decent motion clarity? Zero?
Yes, zero. No one seems to care about such an important thing, and much less about single strobing @ 60hz that is needed for the vast majority of game and video content in existence which is (or targets) 60fps of ~30fps.
Have a look at the eve spectrum if you haven’t seen it: https://eve.community/t/eve-4k144-spect ... tion/29258

I guarantee this arcooda monitor will be a colossal disappointment. Yes the resolution is right for 240p 5x but viewing angles suggest a TN panel, there will be no single strobe and 15khz support will probably get the soft scale treatment.

What we need is something like a 28 inch 4:3 OLED monitor with a resolution of 2880p (gives wide support for integer ratios e.g. 1440p/960p/720p/576p/480p/360p/320p/288p/240p) with 60hz strobing. This of course ‘ain’t gonna happen’ as they say.
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NewSchoolBoxer wrote:3/8th of a frame input lag
That figure is the (rather slow) pixel response time, not the input lag. That's currently unknown.
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