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 Post subject: Reaction to the PS5?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:33 pm 


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Anyone watch the reveal? What do people think?


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New Superbrothers game (makers of Sword and Sworcery) caught my interest, otherwise just better looking versions of things we've played for the past 15 years.
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There was some cool looking stuff. We'll see how many of them are actual games and which ones are "cinematic experiences", I guess.


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In a forum like this one, the Evercade should generate more buzz and expectations than the yawn, ps5
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The cat game with all the robots was cute looking.

Multiple flying girl games.

Some popular remakes and sequels like RE8.

One of the games had all hand drawn comicbook style art.
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The machine looks remarkably ugly. The new Xbox looks like something you'd hide in a server room, this thing looks like a particularly gaudy home router.
also, I seem to have fallen off the bus when it comes to modern gaming, so if I bother getting either machine, it'll be when the PS6/<whatever fucking stupid name MS comes up with for the next Xbox> comes out
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In a forum like this one, the Evercade should generate more buzz and expectations than the yawn, ps5


A piece of shit looking handheld that plays old games I already have access to a bunch of times over? I can't get excited for that.

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The machine looks remarkably ugly. The new Xbox looks like something you'd hide in a server room, this thing looks like a particularly gaudy home router.
also, I seem to have fallen off the bus when it comes to modern gaming, so if I bother getting either machine, it'll be when the PS6/<whatever fucking stupid name MS comes up with for the next Xbox> comes out


The design is definitely not great.
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Steamflogger Boss wrote:
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In a forum like this one, the Evercade should generate more buzz and expectations than the yawn, ps5


A piece of shit looking handheld that plays old games I already have access to a bunch of times over? I can't get excited for that.


I suggest you might switch your sarcasm detector on. And hey, at least those are the old games, you know, the ones actually good :P :wink:
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Turrican wrote:
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In a forum like this one, the Evercade should generate more buzz and expectations than the yawn, ps5


A piece of shit looking handheld that plays old games I already have access to a bunch of times over? I can't get excited for that.


I suggest you might switch your sarcasm detector on. And hey, at least those are the old games, you know, the ones actually good :P :wink:


I love old games I just don't wanna play em on that, and my bad I whiffed on that.
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Haven't bought one since the PS2 and I'm not about to start now. Another big "who cares" from me. The only thing I respect about this system and Sony is that they don't try to come up with stupid, pretentious names for their systems.
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As with every other system since time immemorial, it'll depend on how its library pans out over the longer term, barely a point in paying attention now as far as I'm concerned.

That said, I do recall hearing that there will be both a disc-based and digital-only variant of the system, it'll be interesting how that part is handled by Sony and/or developers, not to mention received by customers.
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As with every other system since time immemorial, it'll depend on how its library pans out over the longer term, barely a point in paying attention now as far as I'm concerned.

That said, I do recall hearing that there will be both a disc-based and digital-only variant of the system, it'll be interesting how that part is handled by Sony and/or developers, not to mention received by customers.


I think it's a good option to have. I think ps6 will be all digital though.

Ultimately the library will get there. I pretty much never buy consoles at launch and almost always buy used. I do get the sentiment that games haven't evolved much after the big shift with ps360. Referring mostly to big devs because there are smaller companies trying new things and releasing games in older styles. There are pros and cons but if the next big change isn't vr as it improves I'm not sure what it will be.
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Haven't bought one since the PS2 and I'm not about to start now.


I also haven't bought a new console system for a long time. The last system that I actually bought when it was still current was the original Playstation in 1996 so I could play FFVII and Resident Evil 1. Of course I got newer systems later on, but nothing beyond the PS2. For the rare newer game I want to play, I use a PC.

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As with every other system since time immemorial, it'll depend on how its library pans out over the longer term, barely a point in paying attention now as far as I'm concerned.

That said, I do recall hearing that there will be both a disc-based and digital-only variant of the system, it'll be interesting how that part is handled by Sony and/or developers, not to mention received by customers.


I'm purely interested in following the technology, and I like hearing opinions from people who use it. Honestly though, it's soooo ugly. Am I crazy to think that, is this some contemporary aesthetic that utterly eludes me?


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I'm purely interested in following the technology, and I like hearing opinions from people who use it. Honestly though, it's soooo ugly. Am I crazy to think that, is this some contemporary aesthetic that utterly eludes me?


Pretty much everyone is saying it looks like shit.
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It's ugly because Sony wants you to talk about it and has nothing functionally distinct to boast above the competition.


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I think the system strangely looks like a cat, only cats are much cuter.


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The machine looks remarkably ugly. The new Xbox looks like something you'd hide in a server room, this thing looks like a particularly gaudy home router



This. What's the hell is with this generation's design? Do they purposefully want people to put their hardware out of sight?
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The machine looks remarkably ugly. The new Xbox looks like something you'd hide in a server room, this thing looks like a particularly gaudy home router.

It's quite terrible, I'm still not over how the disc drive is on the bottom when laid horizontally. I'd definitely prefer something uninspiring and dreary like the xXxboneXseriesXonexXx over something so obviously hideous.

Games were mostly uninspiring and boring to me. Mikami's game looked interesting, though I really would've preferred 3rd person. Will definitely be waiting to see what else comes out, extremely not in a hurry to get my hands on this. Starting the show with yet a new port of GTAV was a pretty hilarious way to start the show with something completely uninteresting I think.
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Extremely underwhelmed, to my surprise. They've clearly worked to have a large library coming along, but everything looked very samey. It may be a lot of games, but not much I want to play.

The streaming format did them zero favors. Whatever these titles may look/feel like in person, they came across in the presentation as extremely similar to what we have already on PS4. GT7, in particular, looked JUST LIKE GT Sport - plus we know that shit won't be out before 2025.

The reveal of the console was a closing slap in the face. It's unattractive and I DO NOT WANT a white console to clash with my setup, which has been built over the years with almost all black electronics. Why don't companies understand that reversing course on the color choice every few years just does not make sense?

I was already planning to sit the new gen out for a while, and now I don't even feel like I'll be missing out as I do so.


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Some of the game's look good, the new look doesn't bother me, but the only way the console itself could have excited me was for it to have thorough backwards compatability all the way back to PS1. I wouldn't expect it to be 100% perfect, but if it were at least as thorough as the 60 gig PS3 was I'd be really happy with it. (it's such an absolute crime that the 60 gig ps3s were all susceptible to YLOD. I could've cried the day mine finally died.)

Even if they only gave us PS1 and PS2 I would have understood that the PS3 emulation simply couldn't be done. I mean come on? Why the fuck doesn't the PS4 play PS1 discs when every version of the PS3 did? And then there's a fully functioning emulator for PS2 games on there, trying to resell you another copy of GTA3, but you can't use your actual disc you own? Fuck off Sony.

Honestly Microsoft's backwards compatability approach also sucks due the the licensing restraints, but at least they are really trying to do something with it. I actually completely skipped over the XBOne this generation because I live in Japan so it was pointless to buy one, but at the moment I have to say Series X looks far more appealing to me.

I'm sure I'll buy a PS5 and it will very likely be my primary console, but it was disappointing to me.
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I didn't see a single thing that didn't just looks like a PS4 game. Hell, several of the games look like PS3 games, and I'm not talking about the indie reel.
That in itself isn't a problem to me. I don't know why should keep pushing the envelope if the only tangible result is bloated budgets. But it's definitely not making me want to own a new console. I wish these games would just come out on platforms I have, so I don't have to care about a new one existing.

Some of the games do look interesting. I'm down for a Bioshock'esque game from Arkane. Kind of bored by how everything has to be sequels or remakes though.


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Mixed feelings but still excited overall.

+ The games. Well, some of them looked interesting. Kena and Horizon: The Forbidden West was fun to see. Kena had a nice cg-movie style to it and seemed to retain it even during gameplay. Looks cute and like a good time.
As for Horizon, it almost felt like I bought my PS4 in order to play Zero Dawn, or at least heavily justified the purchase with it. I enjoyed it (although outside of the pretty graphics and robots, it was "merely" a solid open world game with an interesting enough story). Zero Dawn did give me a little bit of that "next gen" feeling so I think this will be one of the games to deliver that this time around as well.

Pragmatica gave off massive Kojima vibes but ended up being from Capcom. Hard to judge from what's shown - it looked cool but it's possible it will be another escort-mission game with you having to protect the girl and cat. Really want to see some actual gameplay from this one.

Stray looked cute. But I mean, cats :mrgreen:

= Gran Turismo looked good. Gran Turismo always looks good. But I always enjoy the actual feeling of playing Forza Horizon more. It basically looks like GT sport but now it's an actual classic GT game with a more traditional menu system. The track was an old one that had been updated as well.
I think replays are going to be gorgeous but I won't enjoy it.

++ The best is still yet to come. As always, launch titles are hardly indicative of the quality of games released further along the consoles life. Surely, we will be wowed properly later on. I hope :mrgreen:

- Console design. It's not pretty. The way it was rendered and the seemingly glossy black plastic in the middle makes it look like a cheap 2000s scifi prop, or something you'd find lying around in one of the luxury dwellings in the movie Elysium.
Styling aside, I'm also slightly worried about cooling. Yes, there's more wents this time around but I belive that the Xbox series X's approach will lead to a better cooled and quieter experience.
I'm just worried that we will end up with another jet engine going full blast-design.

- Next gen feel was lacking. This was inevitable, we knew this. Purely looking at the hardware, Zen 2 is truly a generational leap coming from Jaguar and quick SSDs are amazing but, the games we saw looked familiar. Maybe they are running with increased graphical fidelity but many looked like they could work on this generation's systems, albeit with the usual caveats of lower rendering resolution with upscaling trickery and a "cinematic" framerate.

The games didn't look like any differerent from what we've seen before on consoles.
With the PS4 reveal, something like Killzone Shadowfall looked truly much better and greater compared to Xbox 360 and PS3 games but this time, this generation have truly been able to accomplish a lot with relatively little. Both a blessing and a curse.
Now the things we gain with better hardware are things that are hard to judge from an artefacty youtube stream like higher resolution and framerates. Things like massive worlds that can instantly load in thanks to the fast SSD is something you experience through playing, not seen from such brief teasers like these. The overall visual fidelity is really high, but it already was pretty high even on current consoles so the wow factor is lacking somewhat.
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Even if they only gave us PS1 and PS2 I would have understood that the PS3 emulation simply couldn't be done. I mean come on? Why the fuck doesn't the PS4 play PS1 discs when every version of the PS3 did? And then there's a fully functioning emulator for PS2 games on there, trying to resell you another copy of GTA3, but you can't use your actual disc you own? Fuck off Sony.

I'm sure I'll buy a PS5 and it will very likely be my primary console, but it was disappointing to me.


You answered your own question basically. Sony won the war and is getting complacent again.

I'm in America and can count on my hands the number of people I know that own an XBONE. One forum I am on archives portions of threads once they hit a certain post quota. Last one for the PS4 thread went from May 26th to June 11th. The XBONE thread went from Feb 26th to May 7th.

Microsoft needs to push Sony again.

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I didn't see a single thing that didn't just looks like a PS4 game. Hell, several of the games look like PS3 games, and I'm not talking about the indie reel.
That in itself isn't a problem to me. I don't know why should keep pushing the envelope if the only tangible result is bloated budgets. But it's definitely not making me want to own a new console. I wish these games would just come out on platforms I have, so I don't have to care about a new one existing.

Some of the games do look interesting. I'm down for a Bioshock'esque game from Arkane. Kind of bored by how everything has to be sequels or remakes though.


This is an old meme that I guess is never going away. I remember when PS2 games "looked like" PS1 games. :wink:

As far as games coming out on platforms you already have, do you have a PC? There honestly isn't much that stays on console anymore. Even HZD came to PC. If game library was my only reason I would be only PC and the current Nintendo offering since they actually offer up a fair number of games you can't get anywhere else.

During the beginning it seems like some number of the games will also be on PS4. I don't really want to buy a PS5 right now either, but like ACSeraph I am pretty sure eventually I will.

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++ The best is still yet to come. As always, launch titles are hardly indicative of the quality of games released further along the consoles life. Surely, we will be wowed properly later on. I hope :mrgreen:


Yep. I can't remember a time when I ever wanted a console at launch. They get cheaper with more games as time goes on. Getting it early is basically just for the status and being able to play a few games, most of which are not great because they were pumped out to meet the console launch date.

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The games didn't look like any differerent from what we've seen before on consoles.
With the PS4 reveal, something like Killzone Shadowfall looked truly much better and greater compared to Xbox 360 and PS3 games but this time, this generation have truly been able to accomplish a lot with relatively little. Both a blessing and a curse.
Now the things we gain with better hardware are things that are hard to judge from an artefacty youtube stream like higher resolution and framerates. Things like massive worlds that can instantly load in thanks to the fast SSD is something you experience through playing, not seen from such brief teasers like these. The overall visual fidelity is really high, but it already was pretty high even on current consoles so the wow factor is lacking somewhat.


I think part of this is due to the mid-step we had during the gen with PS4Pro and the xXx_XBONE_x_xXx.

This gen was a massive step up. Many people including I am sure large segments of this forum made all the remaster gen jokes but as someone who has played plenty of games on PS3 and then played them again on PS4, the PS4 versions are a lot better. PS3 is basically a 720p console.

I'm not sure what the gains will be either, and I really don't want to be forced to adopt 4K yet.
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I've said many times and I'll say it again. The problem with modern gaming is that everything has to be Earth like and so realistic.

If Miyamoto made Mario today we wouldn't have gotten all those wonderful Mario games of yesteryear. It would be straight to GTA5 pro.

I realize there are quite a few nice surreal games out there, but using IPs such as Spiderman is boring to me. I like Spiderman in the movie theater and I like Kratos in my videogames.

I fear that PS5 will be nothing more than hardware battles of the cock. You can bring another 200 gun games and 50 driving simulators and 25 football/soccer/basketball games. But I won't play them.

Now if Ueda made a game i'd dive in for that.

I really miss Sega mixing things up as well. Their IP's were fantastic and mostly going to waste.

We are in a wasteland of creativity right now. Take me back to Saturn, PS1 and N64 when games were so diverse from within a system library and across system libraries. Where creativity and wonder were round every corner. Now we have all systems with similar joypads, similar capabilities making similar games. Yawn.
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I've said many times and I'll say it again. The problem with modern gaming is that everything has to be Earth like and so realistic.

If Miyamoto made Mario today we wouldn't have gotten all those wonderful Mario games of yesteryear. It would be straight to GTA5 pro.

I realize there are quite a few nice surreal games out there, but using IPs such as Spiderman is boring to me. I like Spiderman in the movie theater and I like Kratos in my videogames.

I fear that PS5 will be nothing more than hardware battles of the cock. You can bring another 200 gun games and 50 driving simulators and 25 football/soccer/basketball games. But I won't play them.

Now if Ueda made a game i'd dive in for that.

I really miss Sega mixing things up as well. Their IP's were fantastic and mostly going to waste.

We are in a wasteland of creativity right now. Take me back to Saturn, PS1 and N64 when games were so diverse from within a system library and across system libraries. Where creativity and wonder were round every corner. Now we have all systems with similar joypads, similar capabilities making similar games. Yawn.


Nintendo still makes neat colorful cartoony games. Outside of them you gotta look at indie stuff.
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I think the production and design of the actual reveal video was stunning... truly.
Unfortunately so, in fact, since the PS5 design is kind of ugly.

When you spend an hour teasing me with aesthetically interesting takes on the PlayStation brand and then reveal something that looks like a cheap router design, it makes it twice as painful.

Also, I don't like what BluePoint did to Demon's Souls... they changed a lot of the monster designs to look much more western and less 'disturbing'. It's a real bummer.
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It's obviously not for me. If they put even 10% of the money they put into art into the simulation aspects, christ would I be living in a world where I didn't feel so misanthropic about humans. (I mean seriously: If the level of realism is the only metric these games are getting better by (and they're getting worse by other metrics, like game length), they're immediately and permanently obsolete and worthless once the next hardware revision comes out. And once they hit the cap of photorealism, they're still going to release a new box every ~6 years anyway.)

The killer app this gen is real-time raytracing. It looks really nice, that's it. $500 plz.

But being aware of stuff like how you could make an ASCii game with millions of janky randomly generated pokemon with the publicly released version of GPT-2.... the AAA franchise market just isn't that ambitious.

I remember when I was a kid and all these directors and designers talked about their ambitions of making their games more like blockbuster movies, and thinking "that's not good...."


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