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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 in your part of the world
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:45 pm 


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Masks do very little. If you're really cared as much as you need me to believe, you wouldn't be going out at all.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:17 pm 


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orange808 wrote:
Masks do very little. If you're really cared as much as you need me to believe, you wouldn't be going out at all.


And just how much does he need you to believe?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:49 pm 


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Masks do very little. If you're really cared as much as you need me to believe, you wouldn't be going out at all.


And just how much does he need you to believe?


lmao

Funny you would chime in.

Talking about the local restaurants, weren't ya?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:41 pm 


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you wouldn't be going out at all.


are you going out?

i went to an outdoor here a few weeks ago where mask wearing was enforced at the entrance. there were outside picnic tables spaced apart and it seemed reasonable, but i still didn't feel comfortable. that was the last time i want to do that for the foreseeable future.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:09 pm 


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you wouldn't be going out at all.


are you going out?

i went to an outdoor here a few weeks ago where mask wearing was enforced at the entrance. there were outside picnic tables spaced apart and it seemed reasonable, but i still didn't feel comfortable. that was the last time i want to do that for the foreseeable future.


No. I question the structure of this, but the decisions are above my station. We would have needed a decade or more of change to our health care system to do anything that makes sense, anyhow.

So, yeah, I stay home. I'll do what I'm asked. I'm not even high risk or old (yet).

I decided this was a sign to look for a treadmill and exercise at home. I have started making doctor and dentist appointments again. I've got to look after myself. I started ordering online and picking up the groceries.

I can't understand why people suddenly believe that a mask is a blank cheque. Seems to me that genuinely invested people (with or without personal misgivings) should acknowledge that masks are not a panacea--and don't offer enough benefit to offset the risk of going out.

I'm still playing along.

On the other hand, I understand why younger people are not. (And, that's fine if those same people aren't wagging their fingers and lecturing me.)

I'm also privileged to be able to stay home this much. Many people absolutely cannot. I understand that, too.

I worry about the economic costs of this. But, once again, that's above my station. If I went back to "normal", it wouldn't fix the economy, anyhow.

I'll play along until the end of the year if necessary. After that, I don't know.
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 in your part of the world
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:41 pm 


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Masks do very little. If you're really cared as much as you need me to believe, you wouldn't be going out at all.


And just how much does he need you to believe?


lmao

Funny you would chime in.

Talking about the local restaurants, weren't ya?


Yes, I was. They serve food. We're allowed to talk about restaurants, aren't we?
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 in your part of the world
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:48 pm 


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I can't understand why people suddenly believe that a mask is a blank cheque.


Do they though? Obviously we can find videos that claim they do nothing. Plenty claim they do something, although none say that it's a hazmat suit... none that I've seen anyway. The obvious case to look at is any number of Asian cuntries who have done the following:

- Worn masks for decades
- Have generally better hygenic practices in public (at one that I know of, sans the sharing of food)
- Aren't stupid idiots flocking to the beach

And not so amazingly all of them have done better than the US by every single metric, despite every major city being far more densely populated than any American city (save NYC in some cases) and generally having older populations. (Tokyo for sure, probably others). Many have had far lighter stay at home orders.

I think at the very minimum, without the scientific community saying we should wear masks, I can extrapolate from the above that they are doing something right, and we'd be better if we emulated all practices.
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 in your part of the world
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:26 pm 


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I can't understand why people suddenly believe that a mask is a blank cheque.


Do they though? Obviously we can find videos that claim they do nothing. Plenty claim they do something, although none say that it's a hazmat suit... none that I've seen anyway. The obvious case to look at is any number of Asian cuntries who have done the following:

- Worn masks for decades
- Have generally better hygenic practices in public (at one that I know of, sans the sharing of food)
- Aren't stupid idiots flocking to the beach

And not so amazingly all of them have done better than the US by every single metric, despite every major city being far more densely populated than any American city (save NYC in some cases) and generally having older populations. (Tokyo for sure, probably others). Many have had far lighter stay at home orders.

I think at the very minimum, without the scientific community saying we should wear masks, I can extrapolate from the above that they are doing something right, and we'd be better if we emulated all practices.


Well, if you really want to do it "right", stop going to restaurants. I stay home, but it's mostly easy for me. I don't force others to do the same--even though I have limited authority to do so. Young people have to live their lives. I know I did.

If we accept your premise (either out of genuine "buy in", exhaustion, or desire to avoid conflict), the mask sure as heck doesn't reduce the risk enough (by any reliable measurements) to offset the risk of going out (to others).

So, if you're going to lecture everyone else, you gotta stop going out. The mask isn't a blank cheque.

Going to a restaurant or bar just as bad as going to the beach. Your imaginary high ground is: imaginary.

If you need to live your life, go ahead. Just realise that your evening out is selfish and admit it. I see you edited that particular reply. Gotcha.
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 in your part of the world
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:44 pm 


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Well, if you really want to do it "right", stop going to restaurants. I stay home, but it's mostly easy for me. I don't force others to do the same--even though I have limited authority to do so. Young people have to live their lives. I know I did.

If we accept your premise (either out of genuine "buy in", exhaustion, or desire to avoid conflict), the mask sure as heck doesn't reduce the risk enough (by any reliable measurements) to offset the risk of going out (to others).

So, if you're going to lecture everyone else, you gotta stop going out. The mask isn't a blank cheque.

Going to a restaurant or bar just as bad as going to the beach. Your imaginary high ground is: imaginary.

If you need to live your life, go ahead. Just realise that your evening out is selfish and admit it. I see you edited that particular reply. Gotcha.


If by "you" you mean "me" and not the population in general, you really need to look into some online reading comprehension courses. I've not stepped into a restaurant sans for take away (which is usually picked up at a window) since before most anyone as I've only been in cities that were the first to adopt a lock down.

Your assessment of risk and it's weight is pretty ironic given it's lack of anything... as is your assumption that I have a high ground... imaginary or otherwise... no matter how many times you write it. I just point out the obvious - stupid ratio in America is high.

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If you need to live your life, go ahead. Just realise that your evening out is selfish and admit it. I see you edited that particular reply. Gotcha.


What
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out?

enlighten me. Are you going on about the take out I was talking about weeks ago?
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 in your part of the world
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:28 pm 


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Well, if you really want to do it "right", stop going to restaurants. I stay home, but it's mostly easy for me. I don't force others to do the same--even though I have limited authority to do so. Young people have to live their lives. I know I did.

If we accept your premise (either out of genuine "buy in", exhaustion, or desire to avoid conflict), the mask sure as heck doesn't reduce the risk enough (by any reliable measurements) to offset the risk of going out (to others).

So, if you're going to lecture everyone else, you gotta stop going out. The mask isn't a blank cheque.

Going to a restaurant or bar just as bad as going to the beach. Your imaginary high ground is: imaginary.

If you need to live your life, go ahead. Just realise that your evening out is selfish and admit it. I see you edited that particular reply. Gotcha.


If by "you" you mean "me" and not the population in general, you really need to look into some online reading comprehension courses. I've not stepped into a restaurant sans for take away (which is usually picked up at a window) since before most anyone as I've only been in cities that were the first to adopt a lock down.

Your assessment of risk and it's weight is pretty ironic given it's lack of anything... as is your assumption that I have a high ground... imaginary or otherwise... no matter how many times you write it. I just point out the obvious - stupid ratio in America is high.

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If you need to live your life, go ahead. Just realise that your evening out is selfish and admit it. I see you edited that particular reply. Gotcha.


What
fucking
evening
out?

enlighten me. Are you going on about the take out I was talking about weeks ago?


I don't buy your story. It's that simple.

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

You know, if you stop replying to me, you won't hear from me. If you don't want me coming round and talking to you, stop talking to me. It's that simple.

As for America, that's complicated. The entire nation is so far to the right that anything rational is automatically "radical left", but we've been over that already.

As for risk of catching a slightly nasty flu, sitting indoors with a bunch of people sticking things in your mouth is a disease waiting to happen. Wearing a mask in the lobby doesn't make the whole thing "safe".
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 in your part of the world
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I don't buy your story. It's that simple.


Which story? Specifically. Like, really specifically?

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You know, if you stop replying to me, you won't hear from me. If you don't want me coming round and talking to you, stop talking to me. It's that simple.


As night follows day...

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As for risk of catching a slightly nasty flu, sitting indoors with a bunch of people sticking things in your mouth is a disease waiting to happen. Wearing a mask in the lobby doesn't make the whole thing "safe".


That is quantifiably inaccurate. Or at the very least, misleading. You can claim unsafe all you want, and nobody can really disprove you... as it's your idea of safe. If you think walking into a restaurant (complete with plexiglass at the register), grabbing something, while masked and leaving in seconds is the same as sitting down and dining next to a stranger for 40 minutes, then I have some beach front property on the moon to sell you. If you believe the mask does nothing, fair enough - I have no interest in wasting time on that nugget.

But then again, this is all neither here nor there. You can cry unsafe left and right. It would be no different than the hundreds of altercations I've had with a few significant others through the years who think I'm a nut for cycling daily through congested cities. Unlike that scenario, we have people far more educated on the subject to offer their advice. Interpret it as you will - I certainly do. If I feel what is ordained by ordinances is safe, I follow it. If I feel it's reckless, I refrain. Every place I've been has had the strictest ordinances except for maybe NYC.
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 in your part of the world
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:12 am 


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I don't buy your story. It's that simple.


Which story? Specifically. Like, really specifically?

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You know, if you stop replying to me, you won't hear from me. If you don't want me coming round and talking to you, stop talking to me. It's that simple.


As night follows day...

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As for risk of catching a slightly nasty flu, sitting indoors with a bunch of people sticking things in your mouth is a disease waiting to happen. Wearing a mask in the lobby doesn't make the whole thing "safe".


That is quantifiably inaccurate. Or at the very least, misleading. You can claim unsafe all you want, and nobody can really disprove you... as it's your idea of safe. If you think walking into a restaurant (complete with plexiglass at the register), grabbing something, while masked and leaving in seconds is the same as sitting down and dining next to a stranger for 40 minutes, then I have some beach front property on the moon to sell you. If you believe the mask does nothing, fair enough - I have no interest in wasting time on that nugget.

But then again, this is all neither here nor there. You can cry unsafe left and right. It would be no different than the hundreds of altercations I've had with a few significant others through the years who think I'm a nut for cycling daily through congested cities. Unlike that scenario, we have people far more educated on the subject to offer their advice. Interpret it as you will - I certainly do. If I feel what is ordained by ordinances is safe, I follow it. If I feel it's reckless, I refrain. Every place I've been has had the strictest ordinances except for maybe NYC.


You jumped in defending someone that was eating at the table. Now, you're running as far away from it as possible. Did you think I wouldn't notice?

Why did you even chime in?
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 in your part of the world
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:31 am 


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I don't buy your story. It's that simple.


Which story? Specifically. Like, really specifically?

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You know, if you stop replying to me, you won't hear from me. If you don't want me coming round and talking to you, stop talking to me. It's that simple.


As night follows day...

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As for risk of catching a slightly nasty flu, sitting indoors with a bunch of people sticking things in your mouth is a disease waiting to happen. Wearing a mask in the lobby doesn't make the whole thing "safe".


That is quantifiably inaccurate. Or at the very least, misleading. You can claim unsafe all you want, and nobody can really disprove you... as it's your idea of safe. If you think walking into a restaurant (complete with plexiglass at the register), grabbing something, while masked and leaving in seconds is the same as sitting down and dining next to a stranger for 40 minutes, then I have some beach front property on the moon to sell you. If you believe the mask does nothing, fair enough - I have no interest in wasting time on that nugget.

But then again, this is all neither here nor there. You can cry unsafe left and right. It would be no different than the hundreds of altercations I've had with a few significant others through the years who think I'm a nut for cycling daily through congested cities. Unlike that scenario, we have people far more educated on the subject to offer their advice. Interpret it as you will - I certainly do. If I feel what is ordained by ordinances is safe, I follow it. If I feel it's reckless, I refrain. Every place I've been has had the strictest ordinances except for maybe NYC.


You jumped in defending someone that was eating at the table. Now, you're running as far away from it as possible. Did you think I wouldn't notice?

Why did you even chime in?


If you're going to call someone out for something they said, at least point to the offending post.


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Exactly. I guess I draw the line at delusional bullshit. TIL.
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Exactly. I guess I draw the line at delusional bullshit. TIL.


So, you defended somebody's position when you didn't agree.

That makes you a troll.

How much did we need to believe? The post was very long and filled with judgements about others not wearing masks. As if wearing a mask (that already provides limited benefit) in the parking lot and lobby makes going out "safe".

Why did you chime in? Troll.
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I see I'm not the only person who got in an argument with orange808 then halfway through found myself saying, "hold on, WHAT are you actually arguing with me about?"
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I see I'm not the only person who got in an argument with orange808 then halfway through found myself saying, "hold on, WHAT are you actually arguing with me about?"


This is the correct answer.

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I see I'm not the only person who got in an argument with orange808 then halfway through found myself saying, "hold on, WHAT are you actually arguing with me about?"

I'm pretty sure we could start our own forum at this point. :lol:
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This is old but it's been bothering me since I read it:

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is this all some game to bait the right-leaning side into admitting something totally crazy ... so you can ban them?


Does left leaning censorship seem like kind of a big deal to anyone else?


Yes, it's wholly out of control. I can't comprehend a sickness where you're so worried that not everyone agrees with you, that you have to try to take their voice away and more and more, their social media 'life', even their job. And they think they're the "good guys" and have a right to continue unchallenged, it's a powerful toxin. Every spiteful and oppressive group in history has been this way.


Thank you. That was refreshing.

I feel like we as a society have been browbeaten into accepting a list of "unacceptable" topics that's strongly left leaning.  (Which incentivizes support for even more censorship, since one party feels like they get an advantage with it.  Which would explain why some people on the left are disparaging "freedumbs"; in any other context an anti-freedom stance would be insane for someone living in a democracy.)

Is there... a way to check up on the censorship here? I found this thread which mentions transparency, but it's locked and old.


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Thank you. That was refreshing.

I feel like we as a society have been browbeaten into accepting a list of "unacceptable" topics that's strongly left leaning.  (Which incentivizes support for even more censorship, since one party feels like they get an advantage with it.  Which would explain why some people on the left are disparaging "freedumbs"; in any other context an anti-freedom stance would be insane for someone living in a democracy.)

Is there... a way to check up on the censorship here? I found this thread which mentions transparency, but it's locked and old.


Jesus Christ, God!

There's a worldwide pandemic that the US government is not only failing to control but in many ways actively exacerbating, nobody is doubting for a second that we're on the verge of an economic depression, a massive wave of evictions and foreclosures may begin within the week, and all the anti-democratic chickens of Republican shadow government dating back all the way to Iran-Contra are coming home to roost as a massive army of unidentified mercenaries from Erik Prince's personal army are "disappearing" Americans off the streets and breaking the bones of veterans...

...and your top concern is aging comedians getting yelled at for telling jokes past their sell-by date?

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe you're on the receiving end of propaganda that's intentionally twisting your priorities wildly out of whack?
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Has it ever occurred to you that maybe you're on the receiving end of propaganda that's intentionally twisting your priorities wildly out of whack?

This is the question that EVERYONE should have been asking themselves all along, instead of guzzling the corporate media koolaid. It's a bit late now.

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Has it ever occurred to you that maybe you're on the receiving end of propaganda that's intentionally twisting your priorities wildly out of whack?

This is the question that EVERYONE should have been asking themselves all along, instead of guzzling the corporate media koolaid. It's a bit late now.

+1,000,000 irony points though

How do you know we haven't been? I haven't watched any mainstream media in years, but I can still tell you that Fox is a thousand times worse than the worst offenders on the other end of the aisle (MSNBC chiefly). But when all is said and done, TV personalities, which includes news pundits, bankrupt real estate mogules turned fake presidents, and others, will always be about sensationalism.


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Which would explain why some people on the left are disparaging "freedumbs"; in any other context an anti-freedom stance would be insane for someone living in a democracy.)

Your inability and/or refusal to differentiate between the possession of a freedom and one's ability to choose to what extent to exploit it under a given set of circumstances - which is a vital right in and of itself - betrays your highly limited and/or self-evidently bad faith grasp of the concept.

Off to the side, I wish I'd had the presence of mind to do so when you first slithered out to bump this topic, but when your first post here in two months is not only in a long-dormant thread but of a nonsensical quote that was rightly ignored the first time around, one already has reason to side-eye what you write; moreover, one can only wonder how ignorant you could possibly be of the manner of content that gets tolerated around here when the first guy to offer words of encouragement to you is the one who owns the fucking forum. :lol:

Sorry, but if someone posts something so beyond the pale that it gets them banned from here, that's not "cancel culture" at work, let alone some sort of insidious honey pot for "alternative viewpoints"; it's a truly extraordinary asshole crying into his Mountain Dew about there sometimes being consequences for the things he says.
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Herman Cain just died from Covid.

And the timeline lines up with him getting it at the Trump Tulsa rally.

https://twitter.com/THEHermanCain/status/1274489632886075398

150K+ deaths so far in the US alone.

But cancel culture!
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This is the question that EVERYONE should have been asking themselves all along, instead of guzzling the corporate media koolaid. It's a bit late now.


Conflating personal opinions with greater societal issues doesn't work. Media is an extension of our language and therefore an extension of us, and mass media is how whole categories of public opinion are made possible. Just saying "everyone should think for themselves" ignores that completely. To make matters worse, we have an incredibly restrictive (to individual thought) 2 party system that forces public opinion in two categories that have a chance at guiding public policy. Everybody drinks koolaid, especially in this country.


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To make matters worse, we have an incredibly restrictive (to individual thought) 2 party system that forces public opinion in two categories that have a chance at guiding public policy. Everybody drinks koolaid, especially in this country.

That's the problem, what's the solution? AFAIK, literal mind control tech has not yet been deployed, so asking people to use their own brains is still a reasonable request. It's not hard to poke holes in official narratives if you try.


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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 in your part of the world
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:31 pm 


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That's the problem, what's the solution?


There's no one-sized fixed all solution to what is an basically a never-ending narrative of conflicts between individuals, special interest group and public opinion in even a perfect political system. It's a permanent slug-fest of reactions that hashes out in slow motion. We are especially unfortunate in this country to have public discourse (as a way of forming political policy) to be so castrated by things like gerrymandering and the electoral college. Even if those issue were addressed, we still have the deadlocked 2 party political system which was setup to "stabilize" the power structure in our country very early on. It's an exceedingly effective way to prevent shifts in power and money. I think Kurt Vonnegut's "God Bless You Mr. Rosewater" covers the issue very well if you have any more interest in that particular rabbit hole.

So what are the solutions? I honestly think the US is toast. What's going on today isn't some kind of pandemic craziness, this is the political system playing out as it would do eventually. A trump-like figure was inevitable, just as hitlers rise was the prevailing mood of a germany unfairly plundered and left destabilized after the first big war. We are heading off a cliff that we were always meant to.

So what do I think we should do? If you are rich and powerful, then logic states that you act in your own best interest as you have always done. (elon musk et al) If you are the rest of us, we support whatever we believe is going to give us the longest amount of time before the meltdown. At the moment, I think it's clear that trump on the rich and power side of the equation, so I'm against that. His appeals to the rest of us are empty handouts to keep people appeased while "they" continue to bolster the political deadlocks that prevent changes which would tip the balances of money or power away from the established system.


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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 in your part of the world
PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:51 pm 


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Sharing this because I found it so entertaining - the clown show which is the British government response is fairly well summarised here. Only difference since it was written is that they had a press conference to reveal a new slogan / marketing campaign. The new campaign is "hands, face, space" which trended on Twitter under 'knees and toes' which may be a UK thing and refers to a childrens song learned in schools. Bear in mind these are all things the government has said, either by implication or explicity.

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It's been somewhat reassuring to see how the clown show is bringing people together. We may not all agree on when/where masks should be mandatory, but virtually nobody is defending the bizarre string of messages from the government.
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