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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:43 am 


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It seems bizarre to me that people traveling from hotspots aren’t detained. The girl returning from Italy managed to do the flight and an Amtrak from Chicago before arriving home and becoming sick.
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And it will be made mandatory by the govt/army to do so. refusing will make you a deserter and hunted down by special forces

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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
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This is probably reductive, but just wanna say that I hope everyone on these forums who lives anywhere near an infected area (ie most of us at this point) is doing their part to practice preventative measures, ie hand washing whenever returning from public spaces, avoiding touching your face as much as possible, and avoiding congested areas to the extent possible. The more we all proactively contribute to reducing transmission possibility the more lives we collectively save. We can still clamp this thing down, and we as individuals and small groups can act more quickly than our governments can. It really is in our hands now.
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
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People are getting it left and right where I live outside Tokyo. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if I caught it eventually, and I still can't buy any god damn toilet paper.
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
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The tp thing is so dumb. One of the last things I'd be hoarding
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:55 am 


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People are getting it left and right where I live outside Tokyo. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if I caught it eventually, and I still can't buy any god damn toilet paper.


I'd take the odds in Tokyo over a lot of other places. 64 people out of 33 million in close quarters? You can blame Abe for the TP. Every mom in the cuntry went to stock up when he suggested they cancel school for a fucking month.

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The tp thing is so dumb. One of the last things I'd be hoarding


You wouldn't if you lived through an emergency that disrupted the supply chain... like an Earthquake. It's in your DNA after you line up for it once.
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:33 am 



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You wouldn't if you lived through an emergency that disrupted the supply chain... like an Earthquake. It's in your DNA after you line up for it once.


This. I experienced 3 earthquakes in my hometown alone, and I grew up with the idea that the emergency stash and tools are a cornerstone of a safe home.

The contagion situation in China is becoming stable (no contagions since the 4th of March...too lazy to upload app screenshots, sorry), but in Italy, Lumbardy still remains a hotbed of infection: contagion and fatalities are heavy.
From here I am gleaning some numbers

and there is a comment that seems rather interesting (I guess that Chrome can translate it directly, so I won't bother):

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Le nuove vittime "non sono decessi da coronavirus ma si tratta di persone morte che tra le diverse patologie avevano anche il coronavirus", ha specificato Borrelli. Quanto alle fasce d'eta, il 2% è tra i 50 e 59 anni, l'8% tra 60-69, il 32% tra 70-79, il 45% tra 80-89 e il 14% oltre i 90 anni.


The general subjective feeling in Italy is that it is an illness that the parents and the children can pass onto their grandparents. Healthy individuals seem to do relatively fine IF hospitalised, but any complications make the picture suddenly way worse, very quickly.

Just in case, it seems that not only deaths but also contagions target "over 50" people, again in Italy. I quickly saw another article mentioning that young people should act responsibly and avoid going out out of respect of their elders.

On the other front...

The Chinese government still refuses to release specific numbers, but the situation should have been different here, in the sense that younger age groups should have been at risk of contagion AND fatalities included people in their '20s onwards.

These facts may mean a lot of different things (pardon, "may be interpreted in many possible ways"), but a simple conjecture is that the virus has already mutated (*cue SF-like scenarios*).

It also seems that gamers are the worst affected population, with near 100% contagion and fatality rates, in particular those still playing genres rooted in arcades.

If you have read this last sentence and panicked instead of thinking that I have absurdly high levels of bad taste, you are too susceptible to panic, by the way.

That's far more lethal than the pandemic itself.

Well, diabethes and car accidents too...

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Well, this bit of news confirms the "deadly for grandparents" conjecture, if true.
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:38 pm 


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Might as well update you guys.

It's ten days since I'm locked into home with my significant other and our three years old son. First the schools were closed, then my job became impossible to carry on given the circumstances. I only exit home every two-three days to get something to eat at the nearest grocery, trying to avoid malls and such.

That's the current situation...
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:50 pm 


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....and I still can't buy any god damn toilet paper.

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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
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Which part of Italy are you living in, Turrican? Hopefully not the North-East...
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:34 pm 


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Which part of Italy are you living in, Turrican? Hopefully not the North-East...


Nope. I'm in Tuscany, but you know... Italy has been declared all red zone, and once the peak will start to wane in Lombardy, it should spread elsewhere.
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
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Turrican wrote:

Nope. I'm in Tuscany, but you know... Italy has been declared all red zone, and once the peak will start to wane in Lombardy, it should spread elsewhere.


Not necessarily, and hopefully not. Here in China containment has been very strict, so there has been no real spreading, but rather scattered cases beyond the Wuhan province (I mentioned the numbers in the previous posts).

Of course one can wonder if the system currently in place in Italy can suffice for containment. If people do not escape from quarantine to go on holidays (bloody retards, I'd add), probably it can, but I wouldn't be too optimistic.

As I also mention the previous posts, the test of patience can be severe if people start panicking and display maladaptive behaviour (direct experience, yes).

The numbers and patterns that are beginning to emerge are in my previous post, so I'd suggest to be VERY careful around seniors. They cannot afford to catch it, punkt.

Based on my own experience, 8 weeks of quarantine are likely. If you can go out and walk without a soul in sight, do so. Contagion without humans is a tad impossible. I never stopped running even if I had to wear masks for survival on Titan, to be honest.

Reading/gaming/Netflix lists are now imperative, slack hands and so on. Also, there is no football around, so at least one good aspect has emerged.
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
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Officially a pandemic. https://www.rt.com/news/482867-world-he ... -pandemic/


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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
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Obesity is an epidemic. An estimated 300k people will die from it this year.


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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
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Obesity is an epidemic. An estimated 300k people will die from it this year.


Sure, but if a fat guy coughs on you on the subway, you won't wake up the next day and weigh 400lbs. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
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Shit is definitely intensifying. Saw air traffic was suspended and the NBA is suspending their season among other things.
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
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Re: Vanguard's early post (belated thanks!). A minute of silence for the investors, their portfolios must be hurting bad, now.
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
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Re: Vanguard's early post (belated thanks!). A minute of silence for the investors, their portfolios must be hurting bad, now.


It's the middle class and their 401k's. My age group will get through it okay (if you can work). But this is quite painful if you had retirement on your radar in the next 5 years and did not "get around" to rethinking your retirement plan.
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
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GP, I lost you completely, sorry.

I understand that for business this is a general disaster. Even with government support, businesses around my place (Guangzhou, China, etc. just to be sure) are hurting badly. Italy prepared economical support for various companies and enterprises, but not for small business and independent workers. Chinese provinces have launched support packages for *all* companies: they definitely do not want foreign investement to leave.

Considering the way economies work now, grinding everything to a halt for months is a small economical apocalypse, I guess.

Is there anything else I am not noticing, though? I am a...civil servant, so I could say that my wallet will be fine throughout the crisis (pension is another matter, worth a thread onto its own), and I play no role in all of this.

Then again, I mentioned before that I had an interview with Wuhan Normal University a bit before Christmas (yes, you are reading right). They are now thinking of offering me a small fortune per month and the privileges of a prince, if I am willing to move there by February 2021.

If the provincial governments are acting in a similar manner with businesses, then the risk of bankruptcy and other related problems may be toned down considerably in the medium-term.

Long-term...whatever you can clearly glean from the situation, it's all welcome.
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54% of our forum voters here chose the banks to remain in power than diminish their control even 5%, so it's hard to argue we don't deserve the emerging apocalypse. That's just democracy. "Play stupid games" etc.

At least I'll get some joy from seeing line go down until the end. -~16% this week.

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Obesity is an epidemic. An estimated 300k people will die from it this year.


Sure, but if a fat guy coughs on you on the subway, you won't wake up the next day and weigh 400lbs. :lol:


Very true! But FTO "fat genes" can be passed down to their birth children.


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Aaand looks like at least ~$1.7 trillion will be pumped into the furnace to try to make line not go down. Mysteriously, no one on TV will ask "but how did we pay for it?"


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Aaand looks like at least ~$1.7 trillion will be pumped into the furnace to try to make line not go down. Mysteriously, no one on TV will ask "but how did we pay for it?"


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Not a word from the person running around the American president thread raving (incoherently) about "authoritarian" policy.

As if quarantining people isn't authoritarian. lmao

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The precious wealthy boomers in the ruling and professional classes are in danger--and they couldn't buy their way out with their own money if they wanted to. Ohs noes!

Naturally, we must spare no expense and stop at nothing (including draconian authoritarian measures) to protect them!

It's all unfunded spending that will fall to later generations. That's a fake issue with boomers. The budget hasn't been balanced in decades.

When I look at our books, there is absolutely no fiscal responsibility
There wasn't any before this crisis and there will be none afterwards.

Interesting how there was no discussion about how we would pay for this. GenX has been ravanged by opiods and alcohol. Boomers weren't willing to pay anything to help with that.
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The first thing to go during the apocalypse is the toilet paper.

Thankfully I'm good for a.... few days. oh god....


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GP, I lost you completely, sorry.

I understand that for business this is a general disaster. Even with government support, businesses around my place (Guangzhou, China, etc. just to be sure) are hurting badly. Italy prepared economical support for various companies and enterprises, but not for small business and independent workers. Chinese provinces have launched support packages for *all* companies: they definitely do not want foreign investement to leave.


I was speaking mainly for John Q tax payer -- not business owner nor speaking about macro economics. 45 year old and older will, historically/statistically be just fine [again, talking about long term savings], which is why you are supposed to invest in a equity until about 10 years before retirement. In fact, this can potentially benefit people under 25 by a huge factor.

There will no doubt be some really fucking painful choices made for businesses which will result in some unemployment. I'm not an economist by any stretch but this doesn't feel like something that was building up b/c of gross misconduct and shadiness (a la sub prime loan) and thus long term won't reverberate as bad as the 2008 crash. Stocks were over valued (and have been for a while) and people are panicking from the virus. The oil price war added gasoline (pun intended) to everything and of course, Trump couldn't string a sentence together to save his life which makes things worse.

The virus could get worse, which means people will panic-buy more and make things worse. Or it could peak here in a couple of weeks and things smooth out. No crystal ball when it comes to economics (and question anyone -- even if it's what they do for a living that does). 20 years in the industry, surrounded by PHDs, and it's still a numbers game w/ a lot of guessing.

That make sense?

EDIT: A good example of predictions not sticking, the dollar was falling against the yen, predictably, all last week. It even got down to 102 or so (down from 112 a month earlier). Until today. DJIA & S&P fell almost 10% but USDJPY went up about .5%. Weird. Where the fuck was that in 2008 when I really, really needed it?
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The virus could get worse, which means people will panic-buy more and make things worse. Or it could peak here in a couple of weeks and things smooth out. No crystal ball when it comes to economics (and question anyone -- even if it's what they do for a living that does). 20 years in the industry, surrounded by PHDs, and it's still a numbers game w/ a lot of guessing.

That make sense?


More or less, after using a dictionary for business terms (eh!). I am not even trying to add something meaningful to the economic side because I can't, but I just for fun I checked the exchange rates and my accounts, and I noted that currency fluctuations are (surprise, surprise) rather severe. Then again I have accounts in 4 different currencies, because of life (etc.).

I am not even really concerned - I am almost 40 and I do not foresee retirement in less than 27 years and, besides, this does not seem like the right moment, simply put.

Besides, as you mention economics is a lot of guessing and, to be honest, with a Ph.D. the guessing on matters within the field of the degree may simply be more refined (but your colleagues with a "Dr." title may say that I have a quack degree, of course, whereas their is the real deal).

The virus...

OK, it turns out that know people who healed from it, in Italy AND in China. In Italy it is causing an inordinate amount of fatalies because the population is simply older and hospitals have become some kind of commodity for those suffering from the black death (cue: life expectancy rates in Italy vs. China, cuts to healthcare in Italy).

People who heal from it and below 60 or so confirm that it feels like a REALLY annoying flu (3 weeks with fever and joint pains, nothing works to lower temperature), but if complications arise, it usually turns into a really bad case of pneumonia, fast (2-3 hours).

If each yearly flu would cause all this panic, we might as well close up shop and go back the caves, citing as a reason that civilization beyond the stone age is too complicated and not worth the effort. Except for wi-fi, of course.

I have lived through a fair share of calamities and GP has experienced Kanto Earthquakes (serious business, I'd add), so I had to learn the ropes of coping with crises. Rest of the world (well, at least the fourm) may learn an invaluable lesson.

Yeah, Right.

It is also true that I have a Japanese-style toilet, so no need for toilet paper for me, ah!

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and of course, Trump couldn't string a sentence together to save his life which makes things worse.


Nobody knows. Trump strikes me as a PR genius compared to any European leader. If you google up what Angela Merkel has said, you will probably feel relieved about POTUS' behaviour.

I swear that these people should not be allowed to open their mouth without the remote control consent of a team of PR experts. I, for one, welcome the arrival of Lizardian overlords if they can cobble together a few words that do not sound like terminally dumb, uninformed, socio/psychopathic or a combination of any of these traits.

I am currently training last year medicine students over at SYSU on how to communicate with people showing up and panicking.

I prepared simple online videos explaining them that they need to smile, act very kind, and think that every misused word has bad consequences, because people will spiral into panic over each of them.

I was asked this not because I do this for a living, but because my employers know that have a minimum of PR skills that people here simply do not have (anyone with a bit of authority feels entitled to act like a royal dick and boss people around, in China).

Most of them simply to do not get it, as they seem not to have a fucking clue about how words work, and how the psyche of other human beings works. As a species we basically are a bunch of alienated, self-obssed dickheads, with systems geared to promote us if we excel at this.
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Aaand looks like at least ~$1.7 trillion will be pumped into the furnace to try to make line not go down. Mysteriously, no one on TV will ask "but how did we pay for it?"


Isn't the budget set aside for dealing with the virus $8 billion? 1/200 of what they're spending on stock market handouts? Gotta love capitalism!


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More or less, after using a dictionary for business terms (eh!). I am not even trying to add something meaningful to the economic side because I can't, but I just for fun I checked the exchange rates and my accounts, and I noted that currency fluctuations are (surprise, surprise) rather severe. Then again I have accounts in 4 different currencies, because of life (etc.).


Depends on the currency. Apparently the Thai Baht is a new safe haven so perhaps it's stealing some of the Yen's thunder (which Japan should love) but it did not seem so up until today. Why today was different I have no idea. But to put it into perspective the yen gained strength every day for some six months during the crisis and never got back to normal (if we're talking 20 year trends) until around the time I left... conveniently. Where it stops now, nobody knows. But with telecommuting being so popular I'm sure there's more than a few software engineers in Tokyo getting paid in dollars that may have to rethink their career.

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I am not even really concerned - I am almost 40 and I do not foresee retirement in less than 27 years and, besides, this does not seem like the right moment, simply put.


It's not. And if you're trying to time it out, you're doing it wrong. I actually moved some stuff recently (not all) to stocks thinking it had bottomed out and it hadn't. But it's a retirement fund... I can't touch it for a minimum of 15 years. It will likely go up and down again at least once before then.
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